Saturday Division 4B - Hazara

[The General]

Looking at it from another view point,should we be trying to help them maybe ? I only know what i read hear about them,and there would be some people in their club who are trying to do the right thing. This sort of thing ususally occurs when everything is left up to one or two people to do everything. Committment is the same the whole world over,you commit to a competition,you turn up - if not,you notify people, i agree , that out of courtesy someone at the club couldve at least rang the league,if not the opposition.
Should someone from the SAASL tryand contact them,see what the issue is encourage them to keep going,in the A's at least ?

[Jean Claude]

Did I say Afghani? I say they were from Afghanistan. Better?

n.b.
Hazara may be a place in Pakistan but the people there are Hazarewal

Splitters . ............................................................ ...

Judean Peoples Front, pfffft, we're The Peoples Front of Judea!

[Kitchimo]

Hazara have now forfeited their last two 4A matches and their last four 4B matches.

I will be pushing for the SAASL to remove them from both competitions even though it is disadvantageous for our 4A side (they lose their lead at the top of the table as RBE only drew with Hazara) as it affects the integrity of the competition if some teams get to benefit from mass forfeits whilst others do not.

[danzo]

Get them out. It is just embarrassing.

[ontheblackburner]

Get them out. It is just embarrassing.

They should of already been out weeks and weeks ago. The fact that the SAASL allows this sitaution to fester is appaling. This thread alone is weeks old.

[BeogradGeneralsC's]

Agreed... Hazara just have to go. they are in breach of SAASL codes of conduct and the terms that govern having an Amateur club

[kramerica]

Looking at it from another view point,should we be trying to help them maybe ? I only know what i read hear about them,and there would be some people in their club who are trying to do the right thing. This sort of thing ususally occurs when everything is left up to one or two people to do everything. Committment is the same the whole world over,you commit to a competition,you turn up - if not,you notify people, i agree , that out of courtesy someone at the club couldve at least rang the league,if not the opposition.
Should someone from the SAASL tryand contact them,see what the issue is encourage them to keep going,in the A's at least ?

I don't want to start any rumours, but I suspect that SAASL know whats going on. More than that I would guess that there is some tie up with funding opportunities that keeps them in the competition. Hence why SAASL was holding there hand earlier in the season.

[Steve#4]

Looking at it from another view point,should we be trying to help them maybe ? I only know what i read hear about them,and there would be some people in their club who are trying to do the right thing. This sort of thing ususally occurs when everything is left up to one or two people to do everything. Committment is the same the whole world over,you commit to a competition,you turn up - if not,you notify people, i agree , that out of courtesy someone at the club couldve at least rang the league,if not the opposition.
Should someone from the SAASL tryand contact them,see what the issue is encourage them to keep going,in the A's at least ?

I don't want to start any rumours, but I suspect that SAASL know whats going on. More than that I would guess that there is some tie up with funding opportunities that keeps them in the competition. Hence why SAASL was holding there hand earlier in the season.

You just did

[kramerica]

Cheque came through for funding and cleared.

HAZARA, now officially thrown out of league!

[Hawkesy]

Cheque came through for funding and cleared.

HAZARA, now officially thrown out of league!

can i presume you found that out because it's the last friday of the month

[The General]

Hazara have now forfeited their last two 4A matches and their last four 4B matches.

I will be pushing for the SAASL to remove them from both competitions even though it is disadvantageous for our 4A side (they lose their lead at the top of the table as RBE only drew with Hazara) as it affects the integrity of the competition if some teams get to benefit from mass forfeits whilst others do not.

did they play a full round of matches ? would be easier just to award everyone a forfeit in the second round,rather then go back and try and work out all the figures for the first round ?

[Kitchimo]

Hazara have now forfeited their last two 4A matches and their last four 4B matches.

I will be pushing for the SAASL to remove them from both competitions even though it is disadvantageous for our 4A side (they lose their lead at the top of the table as RBE only drew with Hazara) as it affects the integrity of the competition if some teams get to benefit from mass forfeits whilst others do not.

did they play a full round of matches ? would be easier just to award everyone a forfeit in the second round,rather then go back and try and work out all the figures for the first round ?

In 4B they played everyone once except for Flinders (2).

In 4A they've only had 2 forfeits, played everyone once and one team twice.

[danzo]

Hazara have now forfeited their last two 4A matches and their last four 4B matches.

I will be pushing for the SAASL to remove them from both competitions even though it is disadvantageous for our 4A side (they lose their lead at the top of the table as RBE only drew with Hazara) as it affects the integrity of the competition if some teams get to benefit from mass forfeits whilst others do not.

did they play a full round of matches ? would be easier just to award everyone a forfeit in the second round,rather then go back and try and work out all the figures for the first round ?

But some people played them at home and others away. Given the bias of their home ref, ALL matches should be annulled.

[The General]

Hazara have now forfeited their last two 4A matches and their last four 4B matches.

I will be pushing for the SAASL to remove them from both competitions even though it is disadvantageous for our 4A side (they lose their lead at the top of the table as RBE only drew with Hazara) as it affects the integrity of the competition if some teams get to benefit from mass forfeits whilst others do not.

did they play a full round of matches ? would be easier just to award everyone a forfeit in the second round,rather then go back and try and work out all the figures for the first round ?

But some people played them at home and others away. Given the bias of their home ref, ALL matches should be annulled.

That's a fair point,never thought of that- so you saying just wipe out all their scores altogether ( just asking the question )? has it ever happened before ?

[Kitchimo]

That's a fair point,never thought of that- so you saying just wipe out all their scores altogether ( just asking the question )? has it ever happened before ?

That's how it generally works.

[Dad's Army]

has it ever happened before ?

Black Eagles 2007.

[kramerica]

Looking at it from another view point,should we be trying to help them maybe ? I only know what i read hear about them,and there would be some people in their club who are trying to do the right thing. This sort of thing ususally occurs when everything is left up to one or two people to do everything. Committment is the same the whole world over,you commit to a competition,you turn up - if not,you notify people, i agree , that out of courtesy someone at the club couldve at least rang the league,if not the opposition.
Should someone from the SAASL tryand contact them,see what the issue is encourage them to keep going,in the A's at least ?

I don't want to start any rumours, but I suspect that SAASL know whats going on. More than that I would guess that there is some tie up with funding opportunities that keeps them in the competition. Hence why SAASL was holding there hand earlier in the season.

You just did

just reading between the lines, see this link:

http://www.saasl.com.au/displayfeature. ... d=5&cid=34

@ Hawksey, yes you are switched on I see.

[Kitchimo]

Official confirmation received from the SAASL today, Hazara have been removed from both competitions and all results expunged.

Means that there is a tie at the top of Division 4A now between OISC (2) and RBE, and that there is a three point gap now between OISC (2) and Flinders (2) in Division 4B.

[gooner4life]

Official confirmation received from the SAASL today, Hazara have been removed from both competitions and all results expunged.

Means that there is a tie at the top of Division 4A now between OISC (2) and RBE, and that there is a three point gap now between OISC (2) and Flinders (2) in Division 4B.

I hate it when this happens as there is no fair way to adjust the league tables!! Teams who lost or drew with Hazara now get an advantage and those who did get to play them and win are disadvantged. What other way you could do it to keep it fair is beyond me though as to award forfeits for the remainder of the season doesn't realy seem overly fair either as there would be teams that would have gained two sets of points over Hazara with out ever playing them!! Grrr

The other factor to this now is also the hole it will make in the schedule which already suffers byes in the reservers anyway.

[Bomber]

Players that scored goals against them - are they effectively wiped off too?

[gooner4life]

Players that scored goals against them - are they effectively wiped off too?

A very good question!! Does any one remember what happend previously when this has happened with Bullets and Black Eagles??

Im just glad my only goal of the season wasn't against them!!

[Dad's Army]

I hate it when this happens as there is no fair way to adjust the league tables!!

I agree with you to a point. Unfortunately expunging results is really the only solution there is.

[gooner4life]

I hate it when this happens as there is no fair way to adjust the league tables!!

I agree with you to a point. Unfortunately expunging results is really the only solution there is.

Only to a point? I am totaly with you I believe it is the only solution. Doesn't mean I have to like it though!

[Kitchimo]

It is as if the matches never happened. Goals are removed.

[Bomber]

It is as if the matches never happened. Goals are removed.

So should any yellow and red cards obtained in those games too then. Well, if they are going to be consistent.

[Dad's Army]

I hate it when this happens as there is no fair way to adjust the league tables!!

I agree with you to a point. Unfortunately expunging results is really the only solution there is.

Only to a point? I am totaly with you I believe it is the only solution. Doesn't mean I have to like it though!

I didn't say I liked it either (I don't like it when teams forfiet either) but there is no alternative. In an ideal world teams would play all their matches.

[Dad's Army]

It is as if the matches never happened. Goals are removed.

So should any yellow and red cards obtained in those games too then. Well, if they are going to be consistent.

Everything should get wiped.

[Kitchimo]

There is an interesting situation developing in Div 4A, with Flinders (2) in the hunt for promotion and the title - Flinders (in Division 3) appear to be just that little bit behind the top few teams and will not get promoted, meaning that if Flinders (2) finish in the top two, whoever finishes third will be promoted.

[BPBC]

It is as if the matches never happened. Goals are removed.

So should any yellow and red cards obtained in those games too then. Well, if they are going to be consistent.

Everything should get wiped.

Including the referee fees?

Wiping out all results is stupid. They played a full half season, every team once. All those results should count. Second half of season should be zero points or 3 points for all teams. Expunging all results means teams are affected, including title and promotion chances for some teams, all because 1 club coudnt get their sh!t together. Why should some teams benefit and other teams suffer. No team should be affected by this in any way. Poor decision

[The General]

There is an interesting situation developing in Div 4A, with Flinders (2) in the hunt for promotion and the title - Flinders (in Division 3) appear to be just that little bit behind the top few teams and will not get promoted, meaning that if Flinders (2) finish in the top two, whoever finishes third will be promoted.

Would that be dependant on no teams in the higher divisions either dropping out,switching to Collegiate,or amalgamating ? Hasnt there been a team that finished 3rd / 4th, and still got promoted before ? I would think that all teams will want to finish as high as they can,and see what happens from there?