Establishment of a Junior State League for season 2011

[Green_Manalishi]

FFSA Announce Establishment of a Junior State League for season 2011

July 20, 2010

Football Federation SA is pleased to announce the launch of the Junior State League for junior boys in season 2011. The newly established competition will provide clubs and associations with the opportunity to field a team or multiple teams in age groups from Under 13 to Under 17.

Previously clubs had only been permitted to field teams in the Junior Premier League, with clubs being restricted to registering a maximum of two teams per age group in past seasons.

“The number of children wishing to participate in organised competitions outweighs the number of opportunities. Those clubs with the capacity to expand will be able to do so without a restriction on the number of teams in each age group.” Said Football Federation SA CEO Michael Carter.

With the introduction of the Junior State League, the Junior Premier League will be further
strengthened and will become the premier Junior competition in South Australia The Junior
Premier League will consist of the most talented players who will play in a very focused intense competition week in week out. Each of the Super, Premier and State League Clubs will be able to nominate 1 team per Age group in the Junior Premier League whilst having no restriction on the number of teams nominated for the Junior State League.

The FFSA Technical Director Airton Andrioli is excited about the prospect of the new league
structure for boys in South Australia.

“It is important that the best play against the best week in week out. There is no doubt this is the best method for player development. Over time player development will be enhanced. South Australia will produce quality young players.”

http://www.ffsa.com.au/displaynews.asp? ... 5&incid=20

[beskid]

how is it going to work, with over 30 clubs in super,premier and state leagues?
if each club nominates 1 team for the junior premier league, then we have over 30 teams, surely there would have to be divisisions A, B, C etc like it is at the moment.

[johnydep]

how is it going to work, with over 30 clubs in super,premier and state leagues?
if each club nominates 1 team for the junior premier league, then we have over 30 teams, surely there would have to be divisions A, B, C etc like it is at the moment.

Senior Men’s Clubs (Super, Premier & State) may only submit one team per age group
which team will play in one of the first three divisions. Senior Men’s Clubs that wish to
allocate more than one team per age group will have their additional teams placed into
Division 4 and below. Clubs that are not currently in the senior men’s competition will be
permitted to submit teams into the Junior Premier League, with these teams being
allocated to Division 4 and below. It must be noted that while there will still be promotion
and relegation between Divisions 1, 2 and 3, there will be no promotion and relegation
between Division 3 and 4.

The Football Federation SA will be opening up the Junior Premier League for any clubs to
enter teams into Division 4 and below. This will provide opportunities for all clubs that
currently sit outside of the Football Federation SA to join the football family.

[beskid]

thanks johnydep, will the position teams finish in 2010 determine which div they play in 2011?
example, team finishes 5th in south U12 in 2010 will play div 2 in 2011?

[povman_2009]

At the risk of igniting the situation, this sounds like the FFSA's first step to competing head on with E&D , or am I mistaken ...

[lefty]

FFSA have finally worked out maybe that they need to provide an affordable option for kids who just want to enjoy the game & not be on the "Pathway" of over priced fees

Why didnt the call it the Junior Metropolitan League

[Sacred Noodle]

The way its been put to me is that the new State League will be more for kids who 'just want to have a kick around' I can see the kids playing in this league will be further relegated to the 'back waters' with the empasis and main focus of clubs being toward those few playing in the JPL think it is a yet ANOTHER stupid move by the FFSA and an even worse kick in the guts for kids currently plaing in B teams.

Am just waiting for confirmation to a rumour I have heard regarding U12's proposed to be changed to small sided format ie current U11's going from full pitch to small pitch and therefore I presume no offside rule etc. Up to U10 and at a stretch U11 small sided is definately the best format and the way to go but not U12 especially after they already have being playing full pitch in U11 - just a rumour for me but have heard this from 3 or 4 different people and different clubs.

[BeNatural]

this is nothing new, this has been around for years, i was part of a committee in 2003 who was looking at restructuring the JPL.

In 2005, the united clubs of sa pushed for this to be adopted by the ffsa when they were formed in 2006, but the ffsa did not adopt it.

this is what the majority, not all, but the majority of clubs have been asking for many years and the ffsa have finally listened.

[drdave]

how is it going to work, with over 30 clubs in super,premier and state leagues?
if each club nominates 1 team for the junior premier league, then we have over 30 teams, surely there would have to be divisions A, B, C etc like it is at the moment.

Senior Men’s Clubs (Super, Premier & State) may only submit one team per age group
which team will play in one of the first three divisions. Senior Men’s Clubs that wish to
allocate more than one team per age group will have their additional teams placed into
Division 4 and below. Clubs that are not currently in the senior men’s competition will be
permitted to submit teams into the Junior Premier League, with these teams being
allocated to Division 4 and below. It must be noted that while there will still be promotion
and relegation between Divisions 1, 2 and 3, there will be no promotion and relegation
between Division 3 and 4.

The Football Federation SA will be opening up the Junior Premier League for any clubs to
enter teams into Division 4 and below. This will provide opportunities for all clubs that
currently sit outside of the Football Federation SA to join the football family.
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So what happens with a club like Sturt/Marion Thunder who already play in the Junior Premier League, However they do not have senior mens teams with the FFSA (as they currently play amatuer). Will all there current junior teams be automatically relegated to Div 4 and below?[/

[Jeda]

another stupid move by the ffsa, ffs sad thing, none of you can see why

[gl1968]

I agree with Jeda it is a stupid move it penalises the teams who

A. are willing to accepts players for two teams who develop as many players as posisble
B. do a good job developing jun iors
C. Rewards teams who do not develop their juniors



Ps Re query amature teams their juniors will play in Div D with All B teams that is how i understand this

Why is the FFSA being son confrotational with E & D when they should try to get them to be under thier banner
I rememberthis year as FFSA club we tried to organise 2 games Vs E & D clubs but the FFSA refused it and said we would be introuble if went through with it.

Lefty i think you will still fine that Fees will be still be the same under this scenario as i can not see the FFSA reduce their fees for teams that play in Div D and below so fees will not reduce

[Southampton #7]

Next they will align all juniors with their senior fixture.

[prefly]

gl1968 why is it a stupid move? You have made 3 points but it seems to me that this proposed structure wont make any difference to those points you make.

A: Clubs will still be able to have more than one team per age group.
B: Development of players has more to do with training and coaching, don't see why that should change.
C: Explain why it rewards clubs who don't develop players.

I'm not having a go at you, but I don't understand your reasons. The last point in particular just seems to be one of those throw away lines that everybody says but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Are you saying that clubs that have only 1 team in each age group are not developing players? Development of players is not contingent on the number of players in a club, as I stated above it has more to do with training and coaching or have I missed something?

[lefty]

I agree with Jeda it is a stupid move it penalises the teams who

A. are willing to accepts players for two teams who develop as many players as posisble
B. do a good job developing jun iors
C. Rewards teams who do not develop their juniors



Ps Re query amature teams their juniors will play in Div D with All B teams that is how i understand this

Why is the FFSA being son confrotational with E & D when they should try to get them to be under thier banner
I rememberthis year as FFSA club we tried to organise 2 games Vs E & D clubs but the FFSA refused it and said we would be introuble if went through with it.

Lefty i think you will still fine that Fees will be still be the same under this scenario as i can not see the FFSA reduce their fees for teams that play in Div D and below so fees will not reduce

I was reffering to club fees not FFSA fees. Kids should not pay anymore than $200/yr for lower grades in premier league or this new state league.

[Hetro Metro]

Soccer in SA is going back to the good old dark days when the Federation mens clubs ruled. All decision are being made to pander to the Federation clubs without regard to juniors, amateurs or others. Within that group of federation clubs are a few power brokers so the direction of football is under the control of just a few powerful Federation mens clubs so decisions are made for their own benefit not the long term benefit of the game. This is disappointing as a united football family making collective decisions for the benefit of football for the whole state is really the model the FFA were hoping for.

Interestingly, I think the so called 4th division with Metrostars, Campbelltown, Para Hills, Adel City, Cumberland, Comets, Noarlunga and Panthers second teams will be stronger than the JPL 3rd division. The clubs with strong junior coaching and development will have players trialling for the 1st Division spots then those clubs will grab the ones who just missed out with the "hope" they may develop within the club structure and be "promoted" to the 1st Div team by playing them in second teams just as Para Hills have done for many years.

[Rodney]

[quote="lefty"]FFSA have finally worked out maybe that they need to provide an affordable option for kids who just want to enjoy the game & not be on the "Pathway" of over priced fees

The FFSA only charge $50 per player for registration (which includes insurance). The JPL team fee for Under 11 up is $220. So the exuberant costs that some clubs charge come from the clubs not the FFSA.

The team fee for the JSL has not been decided on or published yet?

[johnydep]

I agree with Jeda it is a stupid move it penalises the teams who

A. are willing to accepts players for two teams who develop as many players as posisble
B. do a good job developing jun iors
C. Rewards teams who do not develop their juniors



Ps Re query amature teams their juniors will play in Div D with All B teams that is how i understand this

Why is the FFSA being son confrotational with E & D when they should try to get them to be under thier banner
I rememberthis year as FFSA club we tried to organise 2 games Vs E & D clubs but the FFSA refused it and said we would be introuble if went through with it.

Lefty i think you will still fine that Fees will be still be the same under this scenario as i can not see the FFSA reduce their fees for teams that play in Div D and below so fees will not reduce

I was reffering to club fees not FFSA fees. Kids should not pay anymore than $200/yr for lower grades in premier league or this new state league.

While your at it could you please sort out school fees, bank charges, council rates, union fees, various social & sporting fees, telecommunication charges, electricity fees, water & sewage, fuel excise, GST, and any other fee that is higher than it should be

There are many factors involved in pricing - strips, equipment (someone must pay for the purchase somewhere along the line), payment to coaches & Development Coaches (some clubs hire people), council fees, water, maintenance, etc.

[lefty]

Johnydep I know what all the costs are my friend your clubs costs they are no different to ours. So tell me why you would charge an A team player say $500 & a D team player $500.

By the way we only charge $150 whether youre in Div 1 or Div 4 E&D.

[gl1968]

ok lets say fees for per child is around $100.00 - $150
who pays for Insurnace on the grounds
lighting ground maintenace
rent
water
merchandise and uniforms
first aid equipment
telelphone
referees
were do you thilnk the money comes from???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Our senior is fully self sufficent and they do not suppliment the juniors to a degree they suppliment the Juniros with saturday takings

[johnydep]

Johnydep I know what all the costs are my friend your clubs costs they are no different to ours. So tell me why you would charge an A team player say $500 & a D team player $500.

By the way we only charge $150 whether youre in Div 1 or Div 4 E&D.

So tell me why you would charge an A team player say $500 & a D team player $500.
Ideally, both teams should be getting exactly the same items - a qualified team coach, team manager, club development coach, home/away strips, ball, equipment, pitch, goals with nets, corner flags, change rooms, club rooms, etc.
There's also the chance that players working hard and exhibiting certain attributes will move up to the A team, and players struggling in the A's moving down to the D team.
Some clubs may even decide to not pick an A & D team, instead choose a squad of 30 during trials and just before season start sort out the A & D teams.

By the way we only charge $150 whether youre in Div 1 or Div 4 E&D.
That's excellent, keep up the good work. I have always told parents/players that could not make it into an JPL team to try out for E&D.

[Soap Box]

Johnydep I know what all the costs are my friend your clubs costs they are no different to ours. So tell me why you would charge an A team player say $500 & a D team player $500.

By the way we only charge $150 whether youre in Div 1 or Div 4 E&D.

You really can't compare apples with apples unless they are out of the same barrel.

You charge $150 for fees but some Eliz Dist clubs charge more than that.

In addition to the $150 fee, do you have a weekly fee you charge as well? If you do, then the total cost for the season would be over $250. Most FFSA clubs have only one fee for the entire season.

Does your club kit out the player in a complete strip with their name on the back of the shirt and they can keep the lot at the end of the season?

Does your club provide training bags with the club name and player name on the side?

Does your club give each player a training ball?

These are just some of the extras that alot of FFSA clubs provide their players that Eliz Dist clubs do not.

I have heard that the FFSA will charge less for Junior State League teams, if thats true hopefully most clubs will pass those savings on to the players. Not sure if the new league will work we will have to wait and see how it is going to operate. Will matches be Sunday morning as per JPL matches or will they play in the afternoon? Will players from State League teams be allowed to backfill the JPL teams if they have injuries and suspensions? Shouldnt have thought so. But lots of details on all this still to come from FFSA.

[BIG RED]

Am just waiting for confirmation to a rumour I have heard regarding U12's proposed to be changed to small sided format ie current U11's going from full pitch to small pitch and therefore I presume no offside rule etc. Up to U10 and at a stretch U11 small sided is definately the best format and the way to go but not U12 especially after they already have being playing full pitch in U11 - just a rumour for me but have heard this from 3 or 4 different people and different clubs.

2011 - OSSF U6-U11 inclusive.

U12's . 11v11. ie no change for U12's

[Big Mac]

Johnydep I know what all the costs are my friend your clubs costs they are no different to ours. So tell me why you would charge an A team player say $500 & a D team player $500.

By the way we only charge $150 whether youre in Div 1 or Div 4 E&D.

So tell me why you would charge an A team player say $500 & a D team player $500.
Ideally, both teams should be getting exactly the same items - a qualified team coach, team manager, club development coach, home/away strips, ball, equipment, pitch, goals with nets, corner flags, change rooms, club rooms, etc.
There's also the chance that players working hard and exhibiting certain attributes will move up to the A team, and players struggling in the A's moving down to the D team.
Some clubs may even decide to not pick an A & D team, instead choose a squad of 30 during trials and just before season start sort out the A & D teams.

By the way we only charge $150 whether youre in Div 1 or Div 4 E&D.
That's excellent, keep up the good work. I have always told parents/players that could not make it into an JPL team to try out for E&D.

Do you think players on the fringes of being in the A team are going to hang around on the off chance of making it, but instead ending up in the D team just before the season starts? especially at the strong clubs where depth is good. My point is will they stay or play in a A or B Div. team elsewhere. Some clubs have B teams good enough to be in Div. 1. Obviously these new policies are aimed at making the strong Clubs weaker and strengthening the weaker Clubs. Unfortunately I believe some Kids who may give the game away instaed of moving to another Club, or have to play in a weaker competition.

In reference to a D team, of course this will now longer happen ( a D league with clubs having their 2nd team in it, as was proposed), as this latest anouncement only allows for 1 team in each age group in the JPL, with additional teams playing in the new Junior State League.
I guess this new Junior State League is a revamp of the failed Metro league they tried to get up, by allowing only 1 team per age group in the JPL they are forcing the players/clubs into participation in this League.

[povman_2009]

Will there be player movements between the ranks ?

The ideal situation would be that clubs have their "elite" team playing at the highest possible level and the other players getting a run in the other level, if they develop over the season then they can step up ?

I always hesitate to use the word "elite" for junior sports but in this case it fits the purpose of the changes.

To brian32 , when you say nothing new here, you mean the idea has been around for a long time, I would say the NEW thing is that it is going to actually happen...

In an ideal world we would see the amatuer clubs align with the FFSA clubs and provide that pyramid that the Crwaford report is based on , but I am not holding my breath ...

[Ginger Pele]

I think also, something that should be most important is that the state coaches for there respective age groups need to get out and watch both JPL & JSL players when it comes to picking squads as it looks as if there will be some good quality players in the JSL worthy of getting selected to trial etc.

If the coaches only watch and select players from the JPL then I can see a few noses getting out of joint and they could also potentially be missing some very good players.Just remember this, players are still developing at this young age and some can improve quite rapidly from there previous season and just because they "missed the cut" in te JPL doesnt mean they are not up to it.We can all overlook a gem, as we as coaches are only human afterall.

If we are serious about all our children then the least our state coaches can do is afford them the courtesy of getting to as many games as possible regardless of whether its the JPL or the JSL

[Black Hawk]

Soccer in SA is going back to the good old dark days when the Federation mens clubs ruled. All decision are being made to pander to the Federation clubs without regard to juniors, amateurs or others. Within that group of federation clubs are a few power brokers so the direction of football is under the control of just a few powerful Federation mens clubs so decisions are made for their own benefit not the long term benefit of the game. This is disappointing as a united football family making collective decisions for the benefit of football for the whole state is really the model the FFA were hoping for.

Hey Hetro
Would that power base be in the Eastern suburbs?

[Željko Jurin]

Johnydep I know what all the costs are my friend your clubs costs they are no different to ours.

I can GUARANTEE you your clubs costs are NOT the same as ours, sorry but we dont have ANY help from the council, but I rekon we are probably a minority in SA

Having said that, we are still ALOT cheaper then other clubs

[Željko Jurin]

Will there be player movements between the ranks ?

The ideal situation would be that clubs have their "elite" team playing at the highest possible level and the other players getting a run in the other level, if they develop over the season then they can step up ?

I always hesitate to use the word "elite" for junior sports but in this case it fits the purpose of the changes.

To brian32 , when you say nothing new here, you mean the idea has been around for a long time, I would say the NEW thing is that it is going to actually happen...

In an ideal world we would see the amatuer clubs align with the FFSA clubs and provide that pyramid that the Crwaford report is based on , but I am not holding my breath ...

Pretty much spot on

EVERYWHERE in Europe, there are 'amateur" clubs, just like all of ours in SA, with kids playing, having fun, and enjoying the world game
The élite' players then get scouted and picked from these clubs to play/train with the pro clubs

So, what is ALL the fuss about with this new structure ????

More kids will be able to play because clubs who are able to, will have more teams in age groups, hence more kids playing this great game.
And the 'talented' players will rise to the top, and play in the élite' comp, if you can really call it that

No big deal really, it's then the parents job to 'shop' around for the best value for money product, its their decision where and what they want to pay for their child

[Jeda]

Will there be player movements between the ranks ?

The ideal situation would be that clubs have their "elite" team playing at the highest possible level and the other players getting a run in the other level, if they develop over the season then they can step up ?

I always hesitate to use the word "elite" for junior sports but in this case it fits the purpose of the changes.

To brian32 , when you say nothing new here, you mean the idea has been around for a long time, I would say the NEW thing is that it is going to actually happen...

In an ideal world we would see the amatuer clubs align with the FFSA clubs and provide that pyramid that the Crwaford report is based on , but I am not holding my breath ...

Pretty much spot on

EVERYWHERE in Europe, there are 'amateur" clubs, just like all of ours in SA, with kids playing, having fun, and enjoying the world game
The élite' players then get scouted and picked from these clubs to play/train with the pro clubs

So, what is ALL the fuss about with this new structure ????

More kids will be able to play because clubs who are able to, will have more teams in age groups, hence more kids playing this great game.
And the 'talented' players will rise to the top, and play in the élite' comp, if you can really call it that

No big deal really, it's then the parents job to 'shop' around for the best value for money product, its their decision where and what they want to pay for their child

isnt that what having a & b teams is about can anyone post up more info so far i have 3 different views on what is happening & only a short blurb from the ffsa on here :?

[BIG RED]

can anyone post up more info - this may help

'Senior Men’s Clubs (Super, Premier & State) may only submit one JPL team per age group which team will play in one of the first three divisions. Senior Men’s Clubs that wish to allocate more than one team per age group will have their additional teams placed into Division 4 and below. Clubs that are not currently in the senior men’s competition will be permitted to submit teams into the Junior Premier League, with these teams being allocated to Division 4 and below. It must be noted that while there will still be promotion and relegation between Divisions 1, 2 and 3, there will be no promotion and relegation between Division 3 and 4.

The Football Federation SA will be opening up the Junior Premier League for any clubs to enter teams into Division 4 and below. This will provide opportunities for all clubs that currently sit outside of the Football Federation SA to join the football family.'

Above is what was was put out in Dec and basically the only change to this is the Div 4 and below is now going to be called the Junior State league.
So it will be the JPL div 1,2,3 or A,B,C and the JSL 1,2,3,4 or A,B,C,D (or how ever many divisions is needed). Only clubs that have seniors with the FFSA (ie Metros) can only have 1 team in the JPL in any particular age group. If clubs that have seniors with the FFSA have second teams then that second team has to play in the JSL and them clubs can have as many teams as they like in the JSL in any JSL age group. Teams that dont have senior teams in the FFSA (ie Sturt, Beverly, Munno Para) can only go into the JSL and not the JPL. No team can get promopted from the JSL to the JPL.

helps?