how many spots should Asia lose at the World Cup?

[povman_2009]

Sadly San Marino have only ever won one game as a National Team , they beat the mighty Lichtenstein (sp) 1-0 and that was a friendly...

This debate will rage forever, is the World Cup about the best 32 nations on Earth competing or is it about the World Game and having a tournament to celebrate the diversity of the game ...

Maybe we should just go back to the original concept of "by invitation" ...

[Mr Magoo]

Sadly San Marino have only ever won one game as a National Team , they beat the mighty Lichtenstein (sp) 1-0 and that was a friendly...

This debate will rage forever, is the World Cup about the best 32 nations on Earth competing or is it about the World Game and having a tournament to celebrate the diversity of the game ...

Maybe we should just go back to the original concept of "by invitation" ...

It's a mass-debate.

[povman_2009]

Maybe we should apply the same principles to the Olympics, and watch 5 Americans Compete with 3 Jamaicans in the 100 m final , and 32 Chinese people play each other at Table Tennis ...

[I'm confused]

Maybe we should apply the same principles to the Olympics, and watch 5 Americans Compete with 3 Jamaicans in the 100 m final , and 32 Chinese people play each other at Table Tennis ...

[Loppermann]

Copying my language now? Got you in a real state haven't I? Why do you persist in basing your arguement upon emotional predudices rather than actual results? Elitest, racist, facist.

man, you got trollllled
so much rage in that post

[Mr Magoo]

Copying my language now? Got you in a real state haven't I? Why do you persist in basing your arguement upon emotional predudices rather than actual results? Elitest, racist, facist.

man, you got trollllled
so much rage in that post

Nothing untrue in it though.

[Mr.G]

I think they should lose 1. If NZ fail to qualify to the Asia/Oceania playoff, we could see the likes of Bahrain or Saudi Arabia v Solomon Islands or Fiji. It would be kind of cool to see one of those small islands in the World Cup, but when its at a cost of a team like Croatia, Russia, Sweden, Ukraine etc. Then it's kind of crap.

[povman_2009]

One place more to Europe will not solve the problem ... but the process for 2014 has not been set yet... so there is a long way to go.

Maybe some of the European Nations should transfer to Asia ?

[Dad's Army]

Maybe some of the European Nations should transfer to Asia ?

The most eastern ones like Kazahkstan, Russia, Norway and Turkey?

[Russia2O18]

Warm up game: NZ 1 - Serbia 0
World Cup points: NZ 3, Serbia 3
World Cup Goal Diff: NZ 0, Serbia -1
Do those statistics tell you anything about NZ's ability right now compared to a highly ranked European team?

stop it..you're just embarrassing me further

Copying my language now? Got you in a real state haven't I? Why do you persist in basing your arguement upon emotional predudices rather than actual results? Elitest, racist, facist.

go back to your little sport played by overweight farmers and islanders son
they play 'test' matches for that dont they...
you're out of your depth here

[Mr Magoo]

go back to your little sport played by overweight farmers and islanders son
they play 'test' matches for that dont they...
you're out of your depth here

This forum...is deep?

[Steve#4]

One place more to Europe will not solve the problem ... but the process for 2014 has not been set yet... so there is a long way to go.

Maybe some of the European Nations should transfer to Asia ?

I agree 100%....Some of the Eastern ones would be quite logical.

[Big Mac]

Maybe some of the European Nations should transfer to Asia ?

The most eastern ones like Kazahkstan, Russia, Norway and Turkey?

Apart from possibly Russia I don't know if you could guarantee the others would qualify through Asia anyway.

[Mr Magoo]

Maybe some of the European Nations should transfer to Asia ?

The most eastern ones like Kazahkstan, Russia, Norway and Turkey?

Norway is Eastern Europe?

[Russia2O18]

Maybe some of the European Nations should transfer to Asia ?

The most eastern ones like Kazahkstan, Russia, Norway and Turkey?

Apart from possibly Russia I don't know if you could guarantee the others would qualify through Asia anyway.

are you kidding? Norway isnt Eastern Europe for starters however..
Norway and Turkey would do it easily

Kazaks arent that good...they're much like Uzbekistan standard

without the lucrative Europa cup and/or UEFA Champions league or European Cup spots on offer there would be very little incentive for any Eastern European teams transferring to Asia with its long distances and variable climates

this is a stupid idea

[Dad's Army]

Norway stretches further east than Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, St Petersburg, Kalingrad or Istanbul.
In fact further east than any of the Warsaw pact bar the former USSR.

[Russia2O18]

go back to your little sport played by overweight farmers and islanders son
they play 'test' matches for that dont they...
you're out of your depth here

This forum...is deep?

Xavi completed more passes than your entire team
NZ had no business being at a World Cup finals

[Echo & The Bunnymen]

NZ had no business being at a World Cup finals

Why not? They qualified fair and square.

[Russia2O18]

NZ had no business being at a World Cup finals

Why not? They qualified fair and square.

because there are already too many Asian spots available and they simply won a 2 legged tie against a team that was worse than North Korea

[Tony Adams]

NZ had no business being at a World Cup finals

Why not? They qualified fair and square.

because there are already too many Asian spots available and they simply won a 2 legged tie against a team that was worse than North Korea

but why is there to many asian spots - other then its your opinion

[Russia2O18]

Why not? They qualified fair and square.

because there are already too many Asian spots available and they simply won a 2 legged tie against a team that was worse than North Korea

but why is there to many asian spots - other then its your opinion

the football media from Europe and South America..the established powers of the game have questioned this also

[Stitch This]

the football media from Europe and South America..the established powers of the game have questioned this also

You should always trust the media

[Tony Adams]

NZ had no business being at a World Cup finals

Why not? They qualified fair and square.

because there are already too many Asian spots available and they simply won a 2 legged tie against a team that was worse than North Korea

7 european teams out of 13 couldnt even get out of the group stages and 3/8 groups finished with a euro team at the bottom!

2/4 asian teams qualified out of the groups with aus only missing out on GD

maybe theres too many euro teams? (and just to be clear thats not what i believe, i believe that fifa have the ratios spot on, but if your going to suggest theres too many asian representatives then maybe you should look deeper into statistics)

and are you suggesting nz dont even deserve the chance to qualify? (i can only presume this as you suggested they shouldnt be allowed to be there) then surely san marino, leichtenstein luxumburg and every other small nation should be taken out of being eligible to qualify?

[Tony Adams]

the football media from Europe and South America..the established powers of the game have questioned this also

please show some links of these MEDIA statements....... and how many of these are from nations that missed out?

and what about the nations themselves? or there respective FA's

[Russia2O18]

Why not? They qualified fair and square.

because there are already too many Asian spots available and they simply won a 2 legged tie against a team that was worse than North Korea

7 european teams out of 13 couldnt even get out of the group stages and 3/8 groups finished with a euro team at the bottom!

2/4 asian teams qualified out of the groups with aus only missing out on GD

maybe theres too many euro teams? (and just to be clear thats not what i believe, i believe that fifa have the ratios spot on, but if your going to suggest theres too many asian representatives then maybe you should look deeper into statistics)

and are you suggesting nz dont even deserve the chance to qualify? (i can only presume this as you suggested they shouldnt be allowed to be there) then surely san marino, leichtenstein luxumburg and every other small nation should be taken out of being eligible to qualify?

this is a stupid defense this argument you are mounting
of course NZ deserve a chance to qualify...it should just shouldnt be as easy as it currently is

they played 2 games against a team worse than North Korea after defeating some islanders of nations of not more than a few thousand in population who care more about rugby

[Stitch This]

this is a stupid idea

I'm surprised you didn't find it more appealing.

[Russia2O18]

this is a stupid idea

I'm surprised you didn't find it more appealing.

nice work son...more personal attacks without addressing the actual argument at hand

[seanason]

this is a stupid idea

Its no stupider than your idea. Especially when you consider that 7 of the 13 Euro teams were knocked out in the group stages compared to 2 out of 4 for Asia.

Heres one for Kosta -
53.85% of European teams competing in the Tournament were eliminated in the Group Stages.
50% of Asian Teams were eliminated in the Group Stages.

[Stitch This]

nice work son...more personal attacks without addressing the actual argument at hand

Be honest, if there was a World Cup for arguing, based on your own criteria, a part timer like yourself wouldn't have been allowed to play.

[Russia2O18]

this is a stupid idea

Its no stupider than your idea. Especially when you consider that 7 of the 13 Euro teams were knocked out in the group stages compared to 2 out of 4 for Asia.

Heres one for Kosta -
53.85% of European teams competing in the Tournament were eliminated in the Group Stages.
50% of Asian Teams were eliminated in the Group Stages.

the 2 Asian teams that progressed did so at the expense of imploding African teams like Cameroon and Nigeria
Greece and Denmark were clearly the worst Euro sides at this World Cup

Japan and South Korea are the best Asia has to offer....i am not proposing zero spots for Asia...2 to 2.5 seems about right

look at CONMEBOL...they all progressed...Colombia and Ecuador could've done as well if they were in South Africa

you need to look further and look at the football that was played
NZ didnt play any
Australia werent much better but were more physical and combative as they always are..however nowhere near as good as 4 years ago where they qualified via a more testing process

North Korea were pathetic and the worst team at the tournament...but only slightly worse than NZ in football terms