hand ball cheats

[fossil]

should the penalty be increased to allowing the goal and still carding the player off and giving a penalty shot?

[Hawkesy]

should the penalty be increased to allowing the goal and still carding the player off and giving a penalty shot?

[seanason]

should the penalty be increased to allowing the goal and still carding the player off and giving a penalty shot?

Drunk Posting is never pretty. You should sober up, consider your statement and come back in the morning and apologise.

[Madridista612]

Maybe just give the goal if its deliberate without the need for a penalty kick but even that would cause waaaaayyyyy to much controversy

[vertu1]

Maybe just give the goal if its deliberate without the need for a penalty kick but even that would cause waaaaayyyyy to much controversy

i agree , just give the goal

they do it in Rugby by awarding a penalty try

[Stitch This]

....they do it in Rugby by awarding a penalty try

Came in very handy for England a couple of weeks ago

[Hamstring]

Create several levels of offending.

1. Blatant and cynical attempt to stop a goal on the goal line (using hands like a goalkeeper)
Award the goal and automatic red card
eg: Uruguay

2. Deliberate hand ball with intent to stop a goal or prevent a player from scoring a goal (no benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty and a red card

3. Deliberate hand ball with intent to play the ball that had the effect of preventing a goal (benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty with a yellow card
eg Harry Kewell if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Hawkesy]

Create several levels of offending.

1. Blatant and cynical attempt to stop a goal on the goal line (using hands like a goalkeeper)
Award the goal and automatic red card
eg: Uruguay

2. Deliberate hand ball with intent to stop a goal or prevent a player from scoring a goal (no benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty and a red card

3. Deliberate hand ball with intent to play the ball that had the effect of preventing a goal (benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty with a yellow card
eg Harry Kewell if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

what's the difference between 2 & 3?

[Madridista612]

Create several levels of offending.

1. Blatant and cynical attempt to stop a goal on the goal line (using hands like a goalkeeper)
Award the goal and automatic red card
eg: Uruguay

2. Deliberate hand ball with intent to stop a goal or prevent a player from scoring a goal (no benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty and a red card

3. Deliberate hand ball with NO intent to play the ball that had the effect of preventing a goal (benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty with a yellow card
eg Harry Kewell if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

what's the difference between 2 & 3?

I think this is what he meant

[Hamstring]

2 is where there is no doubt as to intent.

3. is where it appears the player may have intended to play the ball (without the hand) and the ball has struck their arm. There is some doubt as to intent and it gives the referee to ability to award a yellow card in some limited circumstances.

[Ocean Rain]

eg Harry Kewell if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

If there was any doubt the referee wouldn't have awarded a penalty.

[Hawkesy]

2 is where there is no doubt as to intent.

3. is where it appears the player may have intended to play the ball and the ball has struck their arm. There is some doubt as to intent and it gives the referee to ability to award a yellow card in some limited circumstances.

3. doesn't sound like a deliberate handball to me then.

[Hamstring]

2 is where there is no doubt as to intent.

3. is where it appears the player may have intended to play the ball and the ball has struck their arm. There is some doubt as to intent and it gives the referee to ability to award a yellow card in some limited circumstances.

3. doesn't sound like a deliberate handball to me then.

Some would argue Harry Kewell's handball was not deliberate. Under referee guidelines it was deliberate. This amendment would allow a yellow card to be awarded in those circumstances.

[Hawkesy]

2 is where there is no doubt as to intent.

3. is where it appears the player may have intended to play the ball and the ball has struck their arm. There is some doubt as to intent and it gives the referee to ability to award a yellow card in some limited circumstances.

3. doesn't sound like a deliberate handball to me then.

Some would argue Harry Kewell's handball was not deliberate. Under referee guidelines it was deliberate. This amendment would allow a yellow card to be awarded in those circumstances.

so you want to introduce a yellow card for something that is not currently even an offence.

[Hamstring]

so you want to introduce a yellow card for something that is not currently even an offence.

No. Introduce a yellow card for something that is currently a red card.

[Hawkesy]

so you want to introduce a yellow card for something that is not currently even an offence.

No. Introduce a yellow card for something that is currently a red card.

since when has non deliberate handball been a red card offence?

[BADA BING]

should the penalty be increased to allowing the goal and still carding the player off and giving a penalty shot?

are you Graham Cornes or Chris McDermott in disguise???

[El Pibe D'Oro]

I assume we are discussing this in reference to Suarez's handball vs Ghana??

If so, he deliberately handballed, stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity.

He was rightly given a red card, sent off (did not complain), Ghana were correctly awarded a penalty, which Gyan missed. Unfortunately they lost on pens - thats football.

What else do people want??? Everything was done correctly.

[BADA BING]

I assume we are discussing this in reference to Suarez's handball vs Ghana??

If so, he deliberately handballed, stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity.

He was rightly given a red card, sent off (did not complain), Ghana were correctly awarded a penalty, which Gyan missed. Unfortunately they lost on pens - thats football.

What else do people want??? Everything was done correctly.

the so called experts that come out of the closet every 4 years and want the rules changed and bag everything about the game, seriously i love the world cup but i farken hate all the 's and experts that come with it

[Nice One Cyril]

I assume we are discussing this in reference to Suarez's handball vs Ghana??

If so, he deliberately handballed, stopping a clear goalscoring opportunity.

He was rightly given a red card, sent off (did not complain), Ghana were correctly awarded a penalty, which Gyan missed. Unfortunately they lost on pens - thats football.

What else do people want??? Everything was done correctly.

Exactly. However, the penalty for Suarez for such blatant (I don't want to call it cheating but it's not far off) abuse of the Laws, should be at least 3 games. He made no attempt to head it or chest it (as Kewell did perhaps?).

[Hawkesy]

bottom line is pretty simple. suarez deliberately handled the ball, so did Kewell. Both were sent off, both gave away penalties.

if suarez is a cheat, then so is kewell.

Why should it be any different because kewell was more subtle in his attempt?

[SLAYER10]

bottom line is pretty simple. suarez deliberately handled the ball, so did Kewell. Both were sent off, both gave away penalties.

if suarez is a cheat, then so is kewell.

Why should it be any different because kewell was more subtle in his attempt?

You have no idea

[povman_2009]

Suarez took one for the team and it paid off... Kewell took one for the team and it didn't pay off , end of story...

A cheat is someone who breaks the rules and gets away with it , isn't he ? In which case neither fits the bill !!

[Ocean Rain]

Just because you get caught doesn't make you any less of a cheat.

[Nice One Cyril]

bottom line is pretty simple. suarez deliberately handled the ball, so did Kewell. Both were sent off, both gave away penalties.

if suarez is a cheat, then so is kewell.

Why should it be any different because kewell was more subtle in his attempt?

As the LOTG stand (and given the refs interpretation) you are, as usual, 100% correct

But that perhaps is where the problem lies. The Laws are too black and white and need some shades of gray added.

[Juventino]

Create several levels of offending.

1. Blatant and cynical attempt to stop a goal on the goal line (using hands like a goalkeeper)
Award the goal and automatic red card
eg: Uruguay

2. Deliberate hand ball with intent to stop a goal or prevent a player from scoring a goal (no benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty and a red card

3. Deliberate hand ball with intent to play the ball that had the effect of preventing a goal (benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty with a yellow card
eg Harry Kewell if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

what's the difference between 2 & 3?

My guess is
2 = a team other than Australia
3 = Australia

So the 'experts' can say in a #3 situation, it was not deserved and everybody is out to get Australia.

[Nice One Cyril]

Create several levels of offending.

1. Blatant and cynical attempt to stop a goal on the goal line (using hands like a goalkeeper)
Award the goal and automatic red card
eg: Uruguay

2. Deliberate hand ball with intent to stop a goal or prevent a player from scoring a goal (no benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty and a red card

3. Deliberate hand ball with intent to play the ball that had the effect of preventing a goal (benefit of the doubt)
Award a penalty with a yellow card
eg Harry Kewell if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

what's the difference between 2 & 3?

My guess is
2 = a team other than Australia
3 = Australia

So the 'experts' can say in a #3 situation, it was not deserved and everybody is out to get Australia.

Of course it would be totally different if it happened to Italy or England

[Juventino]

Italy, England, Australia, Argentina, China, Switzerland...doesn't matter who it is, I saw the incident and to me it was a clear red card.

[El Pibe D'Oro]

Suarez and Uruguay were punished with a red card and penalty to Ghana.

Gyan missed.

Story ends.

[SLAYER10]

should the penalty be increased to allowing the goal and still carding the player off and giving a penalty shot?

Must stay the way it is. A cheat is someone who gets away with breaking the rules. Penalty given and Suarez sent off and to miss the semi final is punishment enough. If the Gyanian striker had scored from the penalty then we wouldn't be talking about it. Leave it as is i say, it was great to watch for a neutral fan