New name on the trophy?

[Hawkesy]

With only 4 countries left who have previously won the trophy (England, brazil, uruguay and argentina), could we be seeing a new name on the trophy?

[redsfan]

What happened to Germany??

Maybe, out of those 4, Brazil, Argentina and Uruaguy all are a chance of winning it. There's a few others that could do it, Portugal, Chile, Mexico could all do it if they play at there best whilst Spain would still be the favorite if they play there best. Will be an interesting knockout stage for sure, i'm tipping Argentina.

Germany could do it, but i'm not sure there defence will be quick enough for the South American teams tbh.

[Hawkesy]

What happened to Germany??

Maybe, out of those 4, Brazil, Argentina and Uruaguy all are a chance of winning it. There's a few others that could do it, Portugal, Chile, Mexico could all do it if they play at there best whilst Spain would still be the favorite if they play there best. Will be an interesting knockout stage for sure, i'm tipping Argentina.

Germany could do it, but i'm not sure there defence will be quick enough for the South American teams tbh.

germany have never won the world cup, that's what happened to them

[redsfan]

germany have never won the world cup, that's what happened to them

west germany - germany, same thing.

[Hawkesy]

germany have never won the world cup, that's what happened to them

west germany - germany, same thing.

i wonder why it was such a big deal when the berlin wall came down then.

[The one and only]

germany have never won the world cup, that's what happened to them

west germany - germany, same thing.

i wonder why it was such a big deal when the berlin wall came down then.

they still have the same history

[Hawkesy]

they still have the same history

in the 1974 world cup did the win it or did they go out in the second round?

In their final group game, did they win 1-0 or lose 1-0?

[Tony Adams]

your ignorance is astounding sometimes hawksey

[ozzie owl]

your ignorance is astounding sometimes hawksey

[mr_bojangles]

they still have the same history

in the 1974 world cup did the win it or did they go out in the second round?

In their final group game, did they win 1-0 or lose 1-0?

They won it in 1954, 1974 and 1990

The achievements of West Germany and now Germany (headed by the DFB) are recognised by FIFA as the same entity - they don't include East Germany's achievements

[Hawkesy]

they still have the same history

in the 1974 world cup did the win it or did they go out in the second round?

In their final group game, did they win 1-0 or lose 1-0?

They won it in 1954, 1974 and 1990

The achievements of West Germany and now Germany (headed by the DFB) are recognised by FIFA as the same entity - they don't include East Germany's achievements

so did east germany not exist then? how many teams played in the 1974 finals?

[Hawkesy]

your ignorance is astounding sometimes hawksey

If knowing that west germany won the world cup is ignorant, then I'll take ignorance.

[Loppermann]

germany have never won the world cup, that's what happened to them

west germany - germany, same thing.

i wonder why it was such a big deal when the berlin wall came down then.

was the Berlin wall on their only football pitch?
did the national team change drastically?
Germany and West Germany are considered the same nation by everyone who isn't a crackpot
but you knew that, you were just winding

[Porcupine]

Germany and West Germany are considered the same nation by everyone who isn't a crackpot

I disagree.

[Mad_Max]

Germany and West Germany are considered the same nation by everyone who isn't a crackpot

Does that include or exclude the Sudetenland?

[Russia2O18]

With only 4 countries left who have previously won the trophy (England, brazil, uruguay and argentina), could we be seeing a new name on the trophy?

you idiot

[Wraith]

What happened to Germany??

He was on a wind up!

[Dad's Army]

One of the few new nations to be created in 1991.

[Loppermann]

Germany and West Germany are considered the same nation by everyone who isn't a crackpot

I disagree.

then you are a crackpot...
I mean in football terms

[Loppermann]

Germany and West Germany are considered the same nation by everyone who isn't a crackpot

Does that include or exclude the Sudetenland?

what do you think?

[Mr Magoo]

With only 4 countries left who have previously won the trophy (England, brazil, uruguay and argentina), could we be seeing a new name on the trophy?

As long as we are spitting hairs...England's name is not on the Fifa World Cup Trophy either, it is on the Jules Rimet Trophy. Same goes for Uruguay. There are five names on the Fifa World Cup Trophy - Brazil, Italy, West Germany, Argentina, and France.

[vladimirbeara]

I wonder is England a country? Or the part of United Kingdom? Olympic games, Great Britan, World Cup, England, Scotland, Walles.....This World is strange...British, especially!!! .

[Mr Magoo]

I wonder is England a country? Or the part of United Kingdom? Olympic games, Great Britan, World Cup, England, Scotland, Walles.....This World is strange...British, especially!!! .

England is a country. It's Great Britain that's the farce.

[Kitchimo]

With only 4 countries left who have previously won the trophy (England, brazil, uruguay and argentina), could we be seeing a new name on the trophy?

As long as we are spitting hairs...England's name is not on the Fifa World Cup Trophy either, it is on the Jules Rimet Trophy. Same goes for Uruguay. There are five names on the Fifa World Cup Trophy - Brazil, Italy, West Germany, Argentina, and France.

[The one and only]

so now if brazil, germany or argentina win they get to keep the trophy any we get a new world cup trophy same went for italy as well but as we know they are gone lol

brazil took the jules rimet trophy in 1970 cause they won it for the third time now all those nations have one it twice since then so potentially brazil could have both tropies

[travis bickle]

The rules are not how they used to be, FIFA rules say that the World Cup is not to be kept by any nation anymore. Doesnt matter how many times a nation win it.

[Hawkesy]

With only 4 countries left who have previously won the trophy (England, brazil, uruguay and argentina), could we be seeing a new name on the trophy?

As long as we are spitting hairs...England's name is not on the Fifa World Cup Trophy either, it is on the Jules Rimet Trophy. Same goes for Uruguay. There are five names on the Fifa World Cup Trophy - Brazil, Italy, West Germany, Argentina, and France.

very good point. So unless it's won by brazil or argentina then it's a new name.

[Madridista612]

your ignorance is astounding sometimes hawksey

In Hawksey's defence, I never quite understood why Russia is credited with the USSR's achievements, this is the case no? Also who gets credited with Yugoslavia's successes?

Do Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Serbia AND Montenegro, Just Serbia or Just Montenegro get credited with the gold medal that Yugoslavia won?

I suppose this is a slightly difference case in that West Germany became amalgamated into a larger state whilst the cases I've illustrated are countries being divided but it still raises an interesting point as to who's credited with success when nations change. To me it just seems simpler to say, West Germany won it, not Germany because whilst Germany was a unified nation they did not win it. Similarly Yugoslavia won the gold medal, not the above mentioned nations.

[COLOSSUS]

your ignorance is astounding sometimes hawksey

In Hawksey's defence, I never quite understood why Russia is credited with the USSR's achievements, this is the case no? Also who gets credited with Yugoslavia's successes?

Do Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Serbia AND Montenegro, Just Serbia or Just Montenegro get credited with the gold medal that Yugoslavia won?

For the record, Macedonia lies in Greece and therefor they celebrated the EURO 2004 triumph with the rest of the Greeks from Sparta, to Athens, to Rhodes and Crete Having said that, it wouldnt surprise me at all if the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia claimed the Football history of another country, for it wouldnt be the first time they claimed something not theirs

[Porcupine]

There is more than one Macedonia.