2010 STIC Teams - No U/11,s

[numptydoo]

Hi everyone.

Does anyone know the ruling this year on U/11,s trialling for the U/12 Fed zone teams.
I know of lads who werent allowed to trial last year as U/10,s for the U/11,s as they would have there chance this year only now for the U/11,s to be cancelled.
It seems the clubs dont know and last year when I checked with a few people at the FFSA they said lads playing U/11 last year regardless of age would be given the chance you would think, but again it wasnt certain from them either.
Our zone coach picked only kids of age is it the same this year ?

Thanks Numptydoo.

[BeNatural]

This is the email that my club flicked on to me from the federation:

Please find attached information regarding the 2010 State Talent Identification Championships (STIC) to be held at The Paddocks, Para Hills on October 2, 3 & 4.

There is one change to the structure for 2010, in that there will be no Under 11 age group, but rather two squads from each zone selected for the Under 12 age group which will become part of the 2010 Under 12 Development program. This is to enable more player talent identification for the Under 12 age group due to the introduction of the National Under 13 Squad and part of the National Football Development Plan and the player pathway of the Football Federation SA.

When i looked in the document that was attached the the email it said that clubs could nominate 11 year old players also for the Under 12 age group. Personally your kids wont miss out, there is always next year and also there are two squads now per zone for under 12. I guess the best 11 year olds (Who would be playing U12) would be nominated by their clubs.

[numptydoo]

Thanks for that.
Someone has PM,d me with the same but I read that only 3, 99 born kids excluding goal
keepers can only be nominated.
I also dont understand why if due to this national U/13 side why would we not have U/11 zone fed sides to identify talent early instead now leaving it to U/ 12 ?
I have freinds who last year there sons couldnt trial as not of age but as good as most of the boys of age as this was meant to be a rule.Im told though that other teams and coaches selected some boys younger if good enough in other age groups and why not but it seems to be rule to suit some.

[Željko Jurin]

I would say that they have removed the u/11s as they MADE them stay on a full pitch this year for NO LOGICAL reason whatsoever (and going against the FFA curriculum by waiting until next year to introduce u11 SSF), so there is no point having a STIC for u/11 if it goes AGAINST what the FFA has introduced

FFSA "decision makers" should go up and watch u/11s at the Paddocks, playing on the main HUGE pitch, it's really great viewing !!!!

And we wonder why Australia got pumped by Germany !!

[Big Mac]

I would say that they have removed the u/11s as they MADE them stay on a full pitch this year for NO LOGICAL reason whatsoever (and going against the FFA curriculum by waiting until next year to introduce u11 SSF), so there is no point having a STIC for u/11 if it goes AGAINST what the FFA has introduced

FFSA "decision makers" should go up and watch u/11s at the Paddocks, playing on the main HUGE pitch, it's really great viewing !!!!

And we wonder why Australia got pumped by Germany !!

Para are obviously slowing kids development with decisions like that, will never have decent Junior players or develop senior footballers with that attitude. I think most Para people were even barracking for ze Germans Conspiracy I say.

[rabbit]

[Željko Jurin]

I didnt bag Para directly as a club or say they dont have 'decent Junior players or develop senior footballers', I just gave an example of why Aussie football is sh*t, and why Australia produces fast, strong, fit players, that have very little technical ability. Rather then following what the FFA has introduced and maybe putting u/11s on a smaller sized outside pitch, they are forced to play on the main deck, which doesnt help anyone really, does it ??
Yes, Para currently have better junior sides then Raiders, not disputing that, and it's great that they grab the 'decent' kids at u/11 level from E&D clubs, and then 'produce' good juniors.

We have reduced the size of our 'junior' pitch for u11-u14, to try and atleast 'help' the kids, but only time will tell I suppose. Plus have SSF from u6-u10, so we'll see what happens in 5 years or so

All these 'little' things add up in the big equation, dont they ??

[Big Mac]

I didnt bag Para directly as a club or say they dont have 'decent Junior players or develop senior footballers', I just gave an example of why Aussie football is sh*t, and why Australia produces fast, strong, fit players, that have very little technical ability. Rather then following what the FFA has introduced and maybe putting u/11s on a smaller sized outside pitch, they are forced to play on the main deck, which doesnt help anyone really, does it ??
Yes, Para currently have better junior sides then Raiders, not disputing that, and it's great that they grab the 'decent' kids at u/11 level from E&D clubs, and then 'produce' good juniors.

We have reduced the size of our 'junior' pitch for u11-u14, to try and atleast 'help' the kids, but only time will tell I suppose. Plus have SSF from u6-u10, so we'll see what happens in 5 years or so

All these 'little' things add up in the big equation, dont they ??

Well in 5 years time you will be able to have a direct comparison..if Para don't run with SSG, they will draw from E&D kids developed on the big pitches, other Clubs like Raiders will be running SSG. Make the comparison then, for now no-one REALLY knows. Your junior pitch doesn't seem any different in size this year from last , in fact almost certain (I assume you are talking about the pitch in front of the Junior clubrooms).
PS: saw your U12 team play on the HUGE main pitch at Raiders last year

[Jeda]

I didnt bag Para directly as a club or say they dont have 'decent Junior players or develop senior footballers', I just gave an example of why Aussie football is sh*t, and why Australia produces fast, strong, fit players, that have very little technical ability. Rather then following what the FFA has introduced and maybe putting u/11s on a smaller sized outside pitch, they are forced to play on the main deck, which doesnt help anyone really, does it ??
Yes, Para currently have better junior sides then Raiders, not disputing that, and it's great that they grab the 'decent' kids at u/11 level from E&D clubs, and then 'produce' good juniors.

We have reduced the size of our 'junior' pitch for u11-u14, to try and atleast 'help' the kids, but only time will tell I suppose. Plus have SSF from u6-u10, so we'll see what happens in 5 years or so

All these 'little' things add up in the big equation, dont they ??

Well in 5 years time you will be able to have a direct comparison..if Para don't run with SSG, they will draw from E&D kids developed on the big pitches, other Clubs like Raiders will be running SSG. Make the comparison then, for now no-one REALLY knows. Your junior pitch doesn't seem any different in size this year from last , in fact almost certain (I assume you are talking about the pitch in front of the Junior clubrooms).
PS: saw your U12 team play on the HUGE main pitch at Raiders last year

get the fastest 11year old player possible, put him on the half way line then get the rest of the team to kick the ball over the opposition defenders heads, speedy runs onto the ball & score......."gooooooaaaaaalll" that's the sound of the coach & managers living their dream

[Jeda]

Hi everyone.

Does anyone know the ruling this year on U/11,s trialling for the U/12 Fed zone teams.
.

i was told that the standard of u11's has been dropping & this years group is technically poor

[Big Mac]

I didnt bag Para directly as a club or say they dont have 'decent Junior players or develop senior footballers', I just gave an example of why Aussie football is sh*t, and why Australia produces fast, strong, fit players, that have very little technical ability. Rather then following what the FFA has introduced and maybe putting u/11s on a smaller sized outside pitch, they are forced to play on the main deck, which doesnt help anyone really, does it ??
Yes, Para currently have better junior sides then Raiders, not disputing that, and it's great that they grab the 'decent' kids at u/11 level from E&D clubs, and then 'produce' good juniors.

We have reduced the size of our 'junior' pitch for u11-u14, to try and atleast 'help' the kids, but only time will tell I suppose. Plus have SSF from u6-u10, so we'll see what happens in 5 years or so

All these 'little' things add up in the big equation, dont they ??

Well in 5 years time you will be able to have a direct comparison..if Para don't run with SSG, they will draw from E&D kids developed on the big pitches, other Clubs like Raiders will be running SSG. Make the comparison then, for now no-one REALLY knows. Your junior pitch doesn't seem any different in size this year from last , in fact almost certain (I assume you are talking about the pitch in front of the Junior clubrooms).
PS: saw your U12 team play on the HUGE main pitch at Raiders last year

get the fastest 11year old player possible, put him on the half way line then get the rest of the team to kick the ball over the opposition defenders heads, speedy runs onto the ball & score......."gooooooaaaaaalll" that's the sound of the coach & managers living their dream

The Coaches ability and philosophy is more important than the size of the pitch.
Get to see a fair bit of age groups U11/12, cant say I feel the standard has dropped or technically poor.
Jeda...insert own smiley here.....and here.....and here......and here.

[simon says]

get the fastest 11year old player possible, put him on the half way line then get the rest of the team to kick the ball over the opposition defenders heads, speedy runs onto the ball & score......."gooooooaaaaaalll" that's the sound of the coach & managers living their dream [/quote]

You really are still in love with Mrs Palmer aren't you....? About time you took your hand off it

[Jeda]

get the fastest 11year old player possible, put him on the half way line then get the rest of the team to kick the ball over the opposition defenders heads, speedy runs onto the ball & score......."gooooooaaaaaalll" that's the sound of the coach & managers living their dream

You really are still in love with Mrs Palmer aren't you....? About time you took your hand off it [/quote]

nothing wrong with mrs palmer which you junior coaches used her instead of having wet dreams on the pitch on sundays

[Jeda]

The Coaches ability and philosophy is more important than the size of the pitch.
Get to see a fair bit of age groups U11/12, cant say I feel the standard has dropped or technically poor.
Jeda...insert own smiley here.....and here.....and here......and here.

comparing this year, last year or the year before does not count the facts are out in the public domain, go have a look at how many south aussies making it big in the football world recently it's not the kids faults, it's the egos that teach them everyone wants to win 5 goals, 7, 10, 15, 21 why does the coach start asking for the results of the u9, 10, 11s wankers

[Big Mac]

The Coaches ability and philosophy is more important than the size of the pitch.
Get to see a fair bit of age groups U11/12, cant say I feel the standard has dropped or technically poor.
Jeda...insert own smiley here.....and here.....and here......and here.

comparing this year, last year or the year before does not count the facts are out in the public domain, go have a look at how many south aussies making it big in the football world recently it's not the kids faults, it's the egos that teach them everyone wants to win 5 goals, 7, 10, 15, 21 why does the coach start asking for the results of the u9, 10, 11s wankers

Whats your problem?
What coaches of U9-11 come on here asking for results?
For a person who portrays that you CARE about the Kids you certainly show a great deal of anger, and vitriol.
I'm interested to know if you are a Coach and how many " world stars" you have produced?
My Kids have had a few different coaches over the years , all coaching a little differently but not ONE with an ego. Thankless task with some people looking to criticize them at the first opportunity.
Plenty of sideline experts, but these same people scurry for cover when they are asked to help out.

[Željko Jurin]

I didnt bag Para directly as a club or say they dont have 'decent Junior players or develop senior footballers', I just gave an example of why Aussie football is sh*t, and why Australia produces fast, strong, fit players, that have very little technical ability. Rather then following what the FFA has introduced and maybe putting u/11s on a smaller sized outside pitch, they are forced to play on the main deck, which doesnt help anyone really, does it ??
Yes, Para currently have better junior sides then Raiders, not disputing that, and it's great that they grab the 'decent' kids at u/11 level from E&D clubs, and then 'produce' good juniors.

We have reduced the size of our 'junior' pitch for u11-u14, to try and atleast 'help' the kids, but only time will tell I suppose. Plus have SSF from u6-u10, so we'll see what happens in 5 years or so

All these 'little' things add up in the big equation, dont they ??

Well in 5 years time you will be able to have a direct comparison..if Para don't run with SSG, they will draw from E&D kids developed on the big pitches, other Clubs like Raiders will be running SSG. Make the comparison then, for now no-one REALLY knows. Your junior pitch doesn't seem any different in size this year from last , in fact almost certain (I assume you are talking about the pitch in front of the Junior clubrooms).
PS: saw your U12 team play on the HUGE main pitch at Raiders last year

Exactly, very true

Yes, DEFINATELY smaller then last year, 15m shorter and approx 5m narrower........trust me, I know

[Željko Jurin]

I didnt bag Para directly as a club or say they dont have 'decent Junior players or develop senior footballers', I just gave an example of why Aussie football is sh*t, and why Australia produces fast, strong, fit players, that have very little technical ability. Rather then following what the FFA has introduced and maybe putting u/11s on a smaller sized outside pitch, they are forced to play on the main deck, which doesnt help anyone really, does it ??
Yes, Para currently have better junior sides then Raiders, not disputing that, and it's great that they grab the 'decent' kids at u/11 level from E&D clubs, and then 'produce' good juniors.

We have reduced the size of our 'junior' pitch for u11-u14, to try and atleast 'help' the kids, but only time will tell I suppose. Plus have SSF from u6-u10, so we'll see what happens in 5 years or so

All these 'little' things add up in the big equation, dont they ??

Well in 5 years time you will be able to have a direct comparison..if Para don't run with SSG, they will draw from E&D kids developed on the big pitches, other Clubs like Raiders will be running SSG. Make the comparison then, for now no-one REALLY knows. Your junior pitch doesn't seem any different in size this year from last , in fact almost certain (I assume you are talking about the pitch in front of the Junior clubrooms).
PS: saw your U12 team play on the HUGE main pitch at Raiders last year

get the fastest 11year old player possible, put him on the half way line then get the rest of the team to kick the ball over the opposition defenders heads, speedy runs onto the ball & score......."gooooooaaaaaalll" that's the sound of the coach & managers living their dream

I've seen that happen this year, no bullsh*t !!!

[Caps]

Correct me if im wrong , but isnt defending against a "thru ball" part of the child tactical development ? Or do we just expect them to pick this up at a later age. A junior team made up of all technical gifted players of the same ability, show me one..
I hear a lot of talk about the childs technical ability at 10-12 years old :? :? Im confused , do we teach them the tactical side of the game at this age or not. Some kids wont have any technical ability untill 13-15 what happens to them !!!!!!. Ive seen boys come straight out of E&D and go into Fed U19 !!

Harry Kewell stated last week that to improve the socceroos chances moving forward the restructure needs to take place at the U23 /A league, he said nothing about junior development. Let the kids be kids.

I thought it was all about the kids enjoying themseves and teaching them about the game regardless of there ability, lets let the kids of all ability enjoy themselves, even it some kids dont that elusive Techniacl ability..

Let them enjoy at U11 and and let the potenial gifted players try out at U12, 13 ,14

[johnydep]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magaz ... cer-t.html good read.

“I am never looking for a result — for example, which boy is scoring the most goals or even who is running the fastest. That may be because of their size and stage of development. I want to notice how a boy runs. Is he on his forefeet, running lightly? Does he have creativity with the ball? Does he seem that he is really loving the game? I think these things are good at predicting how he’ll be when he is older.”

[rabbit]

You really are still in love with Mrs Palmer aren't you....? About time you took your hand off it [/quote]

nothing wrong with mrs palmer quote]

YOU HAVE JUST CONFIRMED WHAT THE WHOLE FORUM HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU FOR YEARS

[Southampton #7]

I didnt bag Para directly as a club or say they dont have 'decent Junior players or develop senior footballers', I just gave an example of why Aussie football is sh*t, and why Australia produces fast, strong, fit players, that have very little technical ability. Rather then following what the FFA has introduced and maybe putting u/11s on a smaller sized outside pitch, they are forced to play on the main deck, which doesnt help anyone really, does it ??
Yes, Para currently have better junior sides then Raiders, not disputing that, and it's great that they grab the 'decent' kids at u/11 level from E&D clubs, and then 'produce' good juniors.

We have reduced the size of our 'junior' pitch for u11-u14, to try and atleast 'help' the kids, but only time will tell I suppose. Plus have SSF from u6-u10, so we'll see what happens in 5 years or so

All these 'little' things add up in the big equation, dont they ??

Well in 5 years time you will be able to have a direct comparison..if Para don't run with SSG, they will draw from E&D kids developed on the big pitches, other Clubs like Raiders will be running SSG. Make the comparison then, for now no-one REALLY knows. Your junior pitch doesn't seem any different in size this year from last , in fact almost certain (I assume you are talking about the pitch in front of the Junior clubrooms).
PS: saw your U12 team play on the HUGE main pitch at Raiders last year

get the fastest 11year old player possible, put him on the half way line then get the rest of the team to kick the ball over the opposition defenders heads, speedy runs onto the ball & score......."gooooooaaaaaalll" that's the sound of the coach & managers living their dream

get you fastest player and put him in defence problem fixed.

[Jeda]

You really are still in love with Mrs Palmer aren't you....? About time you took your hand off it

nothing wrong with mrs palmer quote]

YOU HAVE JUST CONFIRMED WHAT THE WHOLE FORUM HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU FOR YEARS [/quote]

whoa you're good, perfect cum back almost as good as sunday's

[just for fun]

You really are still in love with Mrs Palmer aren't you....? About time you took your hand off it

nothing wrong with mrs palmer quote]

YOU HAVE JUST CONFIRMED WHAT THE WHOLE FORUM HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU FOR YEARS [/quote]


Never a truer word spoken

[rabbit]

You really are still in love with Mrs Palmer aren't you....? About time you took your hand off it

nothing wrong with mrs palmer quote]

YOU HAVE JUST CONFIRMED WHAT THE WHOLE FORUM HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU FOR YEARS

whoa you're good, perfect cum back almost as good as sunday's [/quote]

Once again, you've lost me.......

[Jeda]

You really are still in love with Mrs Palmer aren't you....? About time you took your hand off it

nothing wrong with mrs palmer quote]

YOU HAVE JUST CONFIRMED WHAT THE WHOLE FORUM HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU FOR YEARS

whoa you're good, perfect cum back almost as good as sunday's

Once again, you've lost me....... [/quote]

that's not hard & sadly that's what has happened to a generation of young footballers under the coaches in this thread

[Big Mac]

nothing wrong with mrs palmer quote]

YOU HAVE JUST CONFIRMED WHAT THE WHOLE FORUM HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU FOR YEARS [/quote]

whoa you're good, perfect cum back almost as good as sunday's [/quote]

Once again, you've lost me....... [/quote]

that's not hard & sadly that's what has happened to a generation of young footballers under the coaches in this thread [/quote]

Hi Jeda, oh great one, tell us where you Coach, so that we can come see how its done from a master.
Seeing you have all the answers and greater knowledge than these overpaid junior coaches.
Generation of footballers lost..ha ha ha, I wish I had the coaching that these kids get these days.
Mine consisted of 2 laps, passing in pairs, and a game.
Strange how you say that youth development has dropped, yet the amount of time devoted to training, the improvement and education of coaches, and the numerous amounts of academies to choose from, what more can you ask. Generally the standard of coaching is good and improving, I do believe though that sideline behaviour of some coaches needs to be addressed, and Parent behaviour even moreso.
Sure there are good and bad coaches, but that happens in every sport, and in every country at grassroots level, do you think in Holland there is an army of Guus Hiddinks deployed throughout the country in every local football team?.
Overall the Kids are only getting better, but of course some people are NEVER happy.

[Jeda]

the dutch won't even go there with you can u tell me why the standard of senior football was better 20, 30 years ago i can, junior coaches didn't try to play the game for the kids, the kids turned into intelligent adult footballers i'll give you the parents, they are also killing the kids inteligence

[Squizzy]

the dutch won't even go there with you can u tell me why the standard of senior football was better 20, 30 years ago i can, junior coaches didn't try to play the game for the kids, the kids turned into intelligent adult footballers i'll give you the parents, they are also killing the kids inteligence

Jeda, I'm happy for you to come out and give some suggestions at training. PM me and I'll give you the details - no malice.

Tarring every Coach with the same brush (or so it seems) makes any of your comments sound ridiculous and offensive.

[The Human Menagerie]

I have been reading this and other topics with interest. Referee bashing, linesman bashing, parent bashing, coach bashing etc etc.
And we call this the beautiful game?
It certainly seems that there are some experts out there who don't mind passing their opinions yet are quite happy hiding behind a user name. More than likely the same people who have never reffed a game, run a line, been accepted by other parents or ever been a coach.
Remember one thing....without any of these people involved in the game, there would be no game........and quite likely more kids bashing up pensioners or holding up the local post office because as their less than adequate parents would claim "they only did it because they were bored, it's not my fault". The "football bashers" of this world need to grow up, go away or try and make a difference. Any or all three of those choices would be appreciated by the genuine type who care about the beautiful game.
If you are not prepared to be constructive then .......

EDITED by Moderator - removed course language.

[johnydep]

I have been reading this and other topics with interest. Referee bashing, linesman bashing, parent bashing, coach bashing etc etc.
And we call this the beautiful game?
It certainly seems that there are some experts out there who don't mind passing their opinions yet are quite happy hiding behind a user name. More than likely the same people who have never reffed a game, run a line, been accepted by other parents or ever been a coach.
Remember one thing....without any of these people involved in the game, there would be no game........and quite likely more kids bashing up pensioners or holding up the local post office because as their less than adequate parents would claim "they only did it because they were bored, it's not my fault". The "football bashers" of this world need to grow up, go away or try and make a difference. Any or all three of those choices would be appreciated by the genuine type who care about the beautiful game.
If you are not prepared to be constructive then .......

EDITED by Moderator - removed course language.

I hope you're not one of the people you mention "hiding behind a user name". Lets keep this section of the forum "beautiful" for the kids without the swearing.

Yes there are people that come on here and feel the need to be excessively critical of others, but hey, that's the passion of football. Just offer constructive debate that counteracts their arguments and negativity.

Finally; there will always be football, even without the referees, coaches and officials. That's the beauty of the game; all you need is players and a ball.