Group D: Germany v Australia

[Hawkesy]

lift your arms, risk a penalty.

completely agree. Risk a penalty, but not necessarily give one away.

[Martin Tyler]

and once again...Cahill's tackle was a legit red
sometimes in the EPL such things are overlooked as its that sort of league, but throughout the world..and the players should've known this and have been prepared accordingly, that at a World Cup a tackle from behind will draw a red

Was it really a tackle though? He definitely pulled his legs up and away to minimise contact as he slid. Was clumsy at worst, and maybe my Aussie bias speaking, but a yellow for mine. The tackles some of the Aussies pulled out in the warm-up games were far worse (Grella, Cahill) and did not incur red cards.

Much too harsh for a crucial game - sometimes you have to guage the intent and circumstance, not just interpret the laws. Difference between good and average referees.

[Chade]

The tackles some of the Aussies pulled out in the warm-up games were far worse (Grella, Cahill) and did not incur red cards.

That's a really, really bad measurement on how "bad" a tackle has to be for a red card. They were both 4-game-ban tackles, them.

[Jean Claude]

lift your arms, risk a penalty.

completely agree. Risk a penalty, but not necessarily give one away.

Agreed. Risk is the key word. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Just like when Neill 'risked' the slide tackle last WC.

[getborn]

Captain fantastic spent the entire game appealling for offsides when he kept them on most occasions, he hasnt come very far in 4 years.

Looked like he was hailing a bus.

[Martin Tyler]

The tackles some of the Aussies pulled out in the warm-up games were far worse (Grella, Cahill) and did not incur red cards.

That's a really, really bad measurement on how "bad" a tackle has to be for a red card. They were both 4-game-ban tackles, them.

4 games = harsh. I think those earlier two tackles were 2-game reds, but still think Cahill's German slide was yellow only.....

[Chade]

4 games = harsh. I think those earlier two tackles were 2-game reds, but still think Cahill's German slide was yellow only.....

Dunno, man. Late, sliding, studs-up tackles...

For me, Cahill was asking for trouble. I can see why, and see why not. I know I wouldn't attempt to slide tackle someone from behind like that, without a damned good chance of getting the ball. He had little.

[homer]

4 games = harsh. I think those earlier two tackles were 2-game reds, but still think Cahill's German slide was yellow only.....

Dunno, man. Late, sliding, studs-up tackles...

For me, Cahill was asking for trouble. I can see why, and see why not. I know I wouldn't attempt to slide tackle someone from behind like that, without a damned good chance of getting the ball. He had little.

still, i have seen worse tackles so far in this world cup that only warranted a yellow. he was hard done by

our defending was very poor and can someone please tell neill the offside trap doesnt work against quality opposition

why you would play our best player as a striker is beyond me

[Loppermann]

4 games = harsh. I think those earlier two tackles were 2-game reds, but still think Cahill's German slide was yellow only.....

Dunno, man. Late, sliding, studs-up tackles...

For me, Cahill was asking for trouble. I can see why, and see why not. I know I wouldn't attempt to slide tackle someone from behind like that, without a damned good chance of getting the ball. He had little.

still, i have seen worse tackles so far in this world cup that only warranted a yellow. he was hard done by

our defending was very poor and can someone please tell neill the offside trap doesnt work against quality opposition

why you would play our best player as a striker is beyond me

are you serious? You really think it was Neill's idea to play a high line? You know, we have a coach who makes those decisions...

many nations play with their best player as striker and do very well...
I think you mean why did he play him out of position

[Heaven Up Here]

Captain fantastic spent the entire game appealling for offsides when he kept them on most occasions

This is often the case when I've run the line - the player whingeing about offside the most is usually the one who's playing them on.

[homer]

still, i have seen worse tackles so far in this world cup that only warranted a yellow. he was hard done by

our defending was very poor and can someone please tell neill the offside trap doesnt work against quality opposition

why you would play our best player as a striker is beyond me[/quote]

are you serious? You really think it was Neill's idea to play a high line? You know, we have a coach who makes those decisions...

many nations play with their best player as striker and do very well...
I think you mean why did he play him out of position[/quote]

well isnt it neill's job to communicate with the coach when something isnt working?

[Mr Magoo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iEkp_t7CnA

Funnier than the real thing but only because you can't feel sorry for Lego.

[Loppermann]

still, i have seen worse tackles so far in this world cup that only warranted a yellow. he was hard done by

our defending was very poor and can someone please tell neill the offside trap doesnt work against quality opposition

why you would play our best player as a striker is beyond me

are you serious? You really think it was Neill's idea to play a high line? You know, we have a coach who makes those decisions...

many nations play with their best player as striker and do very well...
I think you mean why did he play him out of position[/quote]

well isnt it neill's job to communicate with the coach when something isnt working?[/quote]

the coach should spot it long before Neill has to communicate it
hell, he should know that telling defenders that slow to play a high line is suicide against any nation in the top 100, let alone one of the top 5

[The General]

Most of you know my view on the slide tackle,as mentioned on other forums - should not be allowed full stop.
Once again our national side has experienced how costly it can be,Referees dont always get it right,and players dont always get it right, and I have seen too many already this world cup,just get rid of it.
Those of you who continue to support the slide tackle, prepare to be continually frustrated, which is what I think Cahill was.
Why wouldnt he be ? played out of position,no support what so ever,rarely saw the ball,and when he did, wasnt delivered to his feet,copped a blatant push in the back near / in the penalty box and received no free kick - the guy he tackled wasnt in a dangerous position,didnt need to do that,Tim just gets frustrated easily,only have to go back to the recent New Zealand game.

[COLOSSUS]

Most of you know my view on the slide tackle,as mentioned on other forums - should not be allowed full stop.
Once again our national side has experienced how costly it can be,Referees dont always get it right,and players dont always get it right, and I have seen too many already this world cup,just get rid of it.
Those of you who continue to support the slide tackle, prepare to be continually frustrated, which is what I think Cahill was.
Why wouldnt he be ? played out of position,no support what so ever,rarely saw the ball,and when he did, wasnt delivered to his feet,copped a blatant push in the back near / in the penalty box and received no free kick - the guy he tackled wasnt in a dangerous position,didnt need to do that,Tim just gets frustrated easily,only have to go back to the recent New Zealand game.

You cannot get rid of the slide tackle, what a ludicrous idea to be honest. We might as well play Netball for goodness sake. Of course there is a place for the slide tackle, you just need to teach players how and when to do it as much as you need to teach referees when to call it a foul. If common sense was common, id say Tim Cahill wouldnt have received a red card for a challenge he clearly backed out of after commiting to the slide. Common sense would tell you that he got the slide all wrong but realised it mid slide and thats why he pulled out which is also why the referee should of cautioned him if anything. Lets also use some more common sense and realise that he had given possibly 1 free kick in the whole game before that moment which was a regulation fuck all in it free kick that happen 50 times in a game. It wasnt as if he was commiting fouls all over the place and the referee had finally had enough of him. Was a rash decision by the ref and one he got horribly horribly wrong. Lets be honest though, the ref didnt cost Australia the gane, im pretty sure Pim Verbeek had conceded this one straight after the finals draw was made

[The General]

I guess I am from the old school Colossus,where you were taught to stand your ground and use the old block tackle which you dont see much off these days,only use the slide tackle as a last resort.I cant remember which game I watched this morning.or was it last night ?(hard to keep track )attacker received the ball on the edge of the penalty area,dodged not one but two players who tried to slide tackle him,and had a shot at goal-I know the striker was wearing red,maybe it was the Italy - Paraguay game ?
I thought at least one of the defenders could have stood their ground and "jockeyed" him,until he was confident enough to tackle him front on ?

[Rob Lozza]

Captain fantastic spent the entire game appealling for offsides when he kept them on most occasions, he hasnt come very far in 4 years.

Looked like he was hailing a bus.

More like those guys in "The Full Monty" doing a "Tony Adams".

[Nice One Cyril]

Most of you know my view on the slide tackle,as mentioned on other forums - should not be allowed full stop.
Once again our national side has experienced how costly it can be,Referees dont always get it right,and players dont always get it right, and I have seen too many already this world cup,just get rid of it.
Those of you who continue to support the slide tackle, prepare to be continually frustrated, which is what I think Cahill was.
Why wouldnt he be ? played out of position,no support what so ever,rarely saw the ball,and when he did, wasnt delivered to his feet,copped a blatant push in the back near / in the penalty box and received no free kick - the guy he tackled wasnt in a dangerous position,didnt need to do that,Tim just gets frustrated easily,only have to go back to the recent New Zealand game.

You cannot get rid of the slide tackle, what a ludicrous idea to be honest. We might as well play Netball for goodness sake. Of course there is a place for the slide tackle, you just need to teach players how and when to do it as much as you need to teach referees when to call it a foul. If common sense was common, id say Tim Cahill wouldnt have received a red card for a challenge he clearly backed out of after commiting to the slide. Common sense would tell you that he got the slide all wrong but realised it mid slide and thats why he pulled out which is also why the referee should of cautioned him if anything. Lets also use some more common sense and realise that he had given possibly 1 free kick in the whole game before that moment which was a regulation shiraz all in it free kick that happen 50 times in a game. It wasnt as if he was commiting fouls all over the place and the referee had finally had enough of him. Was a rash decision by the ref and one he got horribly horribly wrong. Lets be honest though, the ref didnt cost Australia the gane, im pretty sure Pim Verbeek had conceded this one straight after the finals draw was made

Surprisingly, I agree with Col.

Only thing I will say is, if you go to ground you force the referee to make a decision, so you'd better be sure you know what you're doing. Cahill didn't, and got unlucky.

[COLOSSUS]

I guess I am from the old school Colossus,where you were taught to stand your ground and use the old block tackle which you dont see much off these days,only use the slide tackle as a last resort.I cant remember which game I watched this morning.or was it last night ?(hard to keep track )attacker received the ball on the edge of the penalty area,dodged not one but two players who tried to slide tackle him,and had a shot at goal-I know the striker was wearing red,maybe it was the Italy - Paraguay game ?
I thought at least one of the defenders could have stood their ground and "jockeyed" him,until he was confident enough to tackle him front on ?

Look, dont get me wrong here General, im from the old school as well, and sliding isnt necessarily a last resort, it also depends on the situation, example you may be running flat out side by side with an opponent on the wing when his speed starts getting the better of you and you decide to slide before he beats you with that pace and you knock the ball out for a throw in. There a times that the slide can be game saving, and times of course where it could be game changing, either way, i agree that coaches should teach their players the "jockey" because it is far more important they keep their feet and keep their opponent guessing, however, there is times where the slide needs to be deployed because it could save a game or in other cases a Championship. I wasnt however replying to a post of what a player should or shouldnt do, but was just replying on your comment of getting rid of the slide which i highly disagree with, thats all

[COLOSSUS]

Most of you know my view on the slide tackle,as mentioned on other forums - should not be allowed full stop.
Once again our national side has experienced how costly it can be,Referees dont always get it right,and players dont always get it right, and I have seen too many already this world cup,just get rid of it.
Those of you who continue to support the slide tackle, prepare to be continually frustrated, which is what I think Cahill was.
Why wouldnt he be ? played out of position,no support what so ever,rarely saw the ball,and when he did, wasnt delivered to his feet,copped a blatant push in the back near / in the penalty box and received no free kick - the guy he tackled wasnt in a dangerous position,didnt need to do that,Tim just gets frustrated easily,only have to go back to the recent New Zealand game.

You cannot get rid of the slide tackle, what a ludicrous idea to be honest. We might as well play Netball for goodness sake. Of course there is a place for the slide tackle, you just need to teach players how and when to do it as much as you need to teach referees when to call it a foul. If common sense was common, id say Tim Cahill wouldnt have received a red card for a challenge he clearly backed out of after commiting to the slide. Common sense would tell you that he got the slide all wrong but realised it mid slide and thats why he pulled out which is also why the referee should of cautioned him if anything. Lets also use some more common sense and realise that he had given possibly 1 free kick in the whole game before that moment which was a regulation shiraz all in it free kick that happen 50 times in a game. It wasnt as if he was commiting fouls all over the place and the referee had finally had enough of him. Was a rash decision by the ref and one he got horribly horribly wrong. Lets be honest though, the ref didnt cost Australia the gane, im pretty sure Pim Verbeek had conceded this one straight after the finals draw was made

Surprisingly, I agree with Col.

Only thing I will say is, if you go to ground you force the referee to make a decision, so you'd better be sure you know what you're doing. Cahill didn't, and got unlucky.

Dont be so surprised all the time Cyril I do agree with you though, a player needs to know the consequences of getting a slide wrong, and thats the whole point of Cahills send off, he realised mid slide that he got it all wrong and backed out of it and that was there for all to see by seeing his legs bent when he made contact and the ref should of used his common sense and seen that

[Chade]

Captain fantastic spent the entire game appealling for offsides when he kept them on most occasions, he hasnt come very far in 4 years.

Looked like he was hailing a bus.

More like those guys in "The Full Monty" doing a "Tony Adams".

Isn't the line "wave your arms about in the air like fairies"?

[Hawkesy]

Most of you know my view on the slide tackle,as mentioned on other forums - should not be allowed full stop.
Once again our national side has experienced how costly it can be,Referees dont always get it right,and players dont always get it right, and I have seen too many already this world cup,just get rid of it.
Those of you who continue to support the slide tackle, prepare to be continually frustrated, which is what I think Cahill was.
Why wouldnt he be ? played out of position,no support what so ever,rarely saw the ball,and when he did, wasnt delivered to his feet,copped a blatant push in the back near / in the penalty box and received no free kick - the guy he tackled wasnt in a dangerous position,didnt need to do that,Tim just gets frustrated easily,only have to go back to the recent New Zealand game.

You cannot get rid of the slide tackle, what a ludicrous idea to be honest. We might as well play Netball for goodness sake. Of course there is a place for the slide tackle, you just need to teach players how and when to do it as much as you need to teach referees when to call it a foul. If common sense was common, id say Tim Cahill wouldnt have received a red card for a challenge he clearly backed out of after commiting to the slide. Common sense would tell you that he got the slide all wrong but realised it mid slide and thats why he pulled out which is also why the referee should of cautioned him if anything. Lets also use some more common sense and realise that he had given possibly 1 free kick in the whole game before that moment which was a regulation shiraz all in it free kick that happen 50 times in a game. It wasnt as if he was commiting fouls all over the place and the referee had finally had enough of him. Was a rash decision by the ref and one he got horribly horribly wrong. Lets be honest though, the ref didnt cost Australia the gane, im pretty sure Pim Verbeek had conceded this one straight after the finals draw was made

Surprisingly, I agree with Col.

Only thing I will say is, if you go to ground you force the referee to make a decision, so you'd better be sure you know what you're doing. Cahill didn't, and got unlucky.

even more suprisingly, so do I

[Hawkesy]

the slide tackle is a thing of beauty, sometimes as good as 30 yard screamer into the top corner. Bobby Moore's tackle on pele is still show again and again as an example to defenders the world over.

That said, if you get it wrong, then face the consequences.

For the record, Cahill's was a booking.

[Nice One Cyril]

the slide tackle is a thing of beauty, sometimes as good as 30 yard screamer into the top corner. Bobby Moore's tackle on pele is still show again and again as an example to defenders the world over.

That said, if you get it wrong, then face the consequences.

For the record, Cahill's was a booking.

Off your feet, from behind, you're always risking a red. Cahill definitely tried to minimise contact and probably should have just got a yellow but, in the middle of the pitch, going nowhere, a silly challenge to make in the first place.

[COLOSSUS]

Surprisingly, I agree with Col.

Only thing I will say is, if you go to ground you force the referee to make a decision, so you'd better be sure you know what you're doing. Cahill didn't, and got unlucky.

even more suprisingly, so do I

Come on Hawkesy, you agree with everything i say but much rather prefer to argue with me for the hell of it Agree that Cahills was a yellow at best and also agree with Cyril that there was no need to make a challenge like that in the middle of the park

[ozzie owl]

Pim played with a very adventerous 4-2-4 formation what more can he do.

He played four defender, two defensive midfielders and four midfielders.

Yes it was 4-2-4...................................................................................0.

[Nice One Cyril]

Pim played with a very adventerous 4-2-4 formation what more can he do.

He played four defender, two defensive midfielders and four midfielders.

Yes it was 4-2-4...................................................................................0.

There's this obsession with squeezing the play by holding a high line but the combination of quick forwards, no pressure on the ball in the midfield and slow defenders with a paddock behind them, is suicidal. Make them play in front of you and see if they can break you down.

Problem is that the best laid plans fall in a heap when you concede an early goal, and you're right in the crapper when you concede the second.

[Loppermann]

the slide tackle is a thing of beauty, sometimes as good as 30 yard screamer into the top corner. Bobby Moore's tackle on pele is still show again and again as an example to defenders the world over.

That said, if you get it wrong, then face the consequences.

For the record, Cahill's was a booking.

it was on Jairzinho
English football history fail

[Hawkesy]

the slide tackle is a thing of beauty, sometimes as good as 30 yard screamer into the top corner. Bobby Moore's tackle on pele is still show again and again as an example to defenders the world over.

That said, if you get it wrong, then face the consequences.

For the record, Cahill's was a booking.

it was on Jairzinho
English football history fail

you are indeed correct, schoolboy error. Sorry Jim.

[Loppermann]

the slide tackle is a thing of beauty, sometimes as good as 30 yard screamer into the top corner. Bobby Moore's tackle on pele is still show again and again as an example to defenders the world over.

That said, if you get it wrong, then face the consequences.

For the record, Cahill's was a booking.

it was on Jairzinho
English football history fail

you are indeed correct, schoolboy error. Sorry Jim.

no one's ever successfully tackled Pele except the guy who gave him erectile dysfunction