Group D: Germany v Australia

[Blotto]

how the fans summed it all up after the game in sth africa......
with mark viduka making a coment as well....
http://player.video.news.com.au/adelaidenow/#1521245388

it was Mark Bosnich, and what he said was 100% correct. Our performance was bordering embarrasing....

[Russia2O18]

whoever didnt see this coming a long time ago should be embarrassed

[Ass_Man]

I can't believe nobody has brought up what I think was the most embarrasing performance of the night......WHAT THE HELL WAS GOING ON WITH PIM'S HAIR !!!! Forget the 4 zip result, lets all chip in and get someone from Hair Machine to fly over there and give this idiot a make over !!!

[Red-4-Life]

Penalty denied, red card that should have been a yellow.

However, Australia deserved that 4-0 loss. Played well for 8 mins and then went down the shitter. Pathetic defence, thought Valeri did alright, but no one really stood out. schwarzer stopped it being more. We played NO out and out strikers, Cahill is a midfielder ffs. Pim is pathetic as a coach.

Bresciano in for Cahill, Kewell and Kennedy up front...

SHOCKEROOS!!!

[Russia2O18]

Penalty denied, red card that should have been a yellow.

However, Australia deserved that 4-0 loss. Played well for 8 mins and then went down the shitter. Pathetic defence, thought Valeri did alright, but no one really stood out. schwarzer stopped it being more. We played NO out and out strikers, Cahill is a midfielder ffs. Pim is pathetic as a coach.

Bresciano in for Cahill, Kewell and Kennedy up front...

SHOCKEROOS!!!

wasnt a penalty and Timmy's tackle was from behind..thats a red

Australia deserved an 8-0 loss but the German's just did what they needed to do and took some mercy on them

leading up to this world cup i feared this sort of thing was going to happen..the writing was on the wall for anyone who can read

it could get worse against Ghana

[nicko]

Penalty denied, red card that should have been a yellow.

However, Australia deserved that 4-0 loss. Played well for 8 mins and then went down the shitter. Pathetic defence, thought Valeri did alright, but no one really stood out. schwarzer stopped it being more. We played NO out and out strikers, Cahill is a midfielder ffs. Pim is pathetic as a coach.

Bresciano in for Cahill, Kewell and Kennedy up front...

SHOCKEROOS!!!

wasnt a penalty and Timmy's tackle was from behind..thats a red

Australia deserved an 8-0 loss but the German's just did what they needed to do and took some mercy on them

leading up to this world cup i feared this sort of thing was going to happen..the writing was on the wall for anyone who can read

it could get worse against Ghana

I agree... we now have to rely on Kennedy for goals who is average at best or an unfit Kewell....

Cutting Scott Mcdonald was a huge mistake.... the other young attackers like Rukavytsa, Vidosic and Garcia haven't scored for Australia either nor have they scored goals at first team level at their clubs!

Could really do with a bloke who has scored a goal in his life up the front there!!

[# 9]

Penalty denied, red card that should have been a yellow.

However, Australia deserved that 4-0 loss. Played well for 8 mins and then went down the shitter. Pathetic defence, thought Valeri did alright, but no one really stood out. schwarzer stopped it being more. We played NO out and out strikers, Cahill is a midfielder ffs. Pim is pathetic as a coach.

Bresciano in for Cahill, Kewell and Kennedy up front...

SHOCKEROOS!!!

wasnt a penalty and Timmy's tackle was from behind..thats a red

Australia deserved an 8-0 loss but the German's just did what they needed to do and took some mercy on them

leading up to this world cup i feared this sort of thing was going to happen..the writing was on the wall for anyone who can read

it could get worse against Ghana

your either a or your german..

[metaldomes]

Germany 4:0 totally win Austria

[Loppermann]

pim verbeek cost us this one. the style he has us playing is astonishingly poor, they may aswell have us playing for the shiraz wallabies, back pass after back pass after back pass, SOOOOOOO MONOTONE. some poor desicions by the ref too, by no means was it a red for cahill, you saw that he pulled out his feet from the challenge that he knew he wasent gonna win, slide into another player and somehow copped a red.. :? maybe a yellow for now being accurate. valeri shouldnt have got a yellow either.you can respect the germans style of football but not their attitude, bastien, ozil and cacau were disgracful with their diving, disrespectful to the game on this stage.
wasent schwarzers night, poor decision for the second goal, that is what happens when you hesitate. Its sad to see this is the last world cup alot of our stars will play and pim has them playing this poorly, this walking pace, back passing, backwards mentality, i will be glad when pim leaves. another bad point is the over commiting of challenges, its one thing that pisses me off, and made valeri, and wilkshere look like novices, germany were playing really simple balls, good balls but very simple and the defenders would 'think' they can get it, and the germans would just sucker them in almost everytime with a pass or just a change in direction, ozil is a good example.

some signs of life were emerton, good to see him dodge and weave, look great especially as he is just back from injury. he was mixing it with the best of the germans, but unfortunatly he had nothing to work with. holman was very lively, got into space, ran forward very well. Culina was quite good too.

not sure of this, but is there an appeal panel for situations like cahill's? surely there should be people in place to override poor red card decisions...?

next game is goin to be very interesting to watch, pim will HAVE TO change the tactic to beat ghana, or we will not advance. attac, attack, will need to be the mind set, while obviously keeping stability at the back. neill and moore did very well one on one, but this high line defence killed us, those 2 need to play a bit deeper to compensate for their lack of pace.

next game

GK-Schwarzer
RB-Wilkshere
CB-Niell
CB-Moore
LB-Chippers or carney
RM-Emerton
DM-Culina
DM-Grella
LM-Bresciano
AM-Kewell
CF-Kennedy

lol, Moore was awful, both one on one and chasing
where was he for the goals?

[# 9]

pim verbeek cost us this one. the style he has us playing is astonishingly poor, they may aswell have us playing for the shiraz wallabies, back pass after back pass after back pass, SOOOOOOO MONOTONE. some poor desicions by the ref too, by no means was it a red for cahill, you saw that he pulled out his feet from the challenge that he knew he wasent gonna win, slide into another player and somehow copped a red.. :? maybe a yellow for now being accurate. valeri shouldnt have got a yellow either.you can respect the germans style of football but not their attitude, bastien, ozil and cacau were disgracful with their diving, disrespectful to the game on this stage.
wasent schwarzers night, poor decision for the second goal, that is what happens when you hesitate. Its sad to see this is the last world cup alot of our stars will play and pim has them playing this poorly, this walking pace, back passing, backwards mentality, i will be glad when pim leaves. another bad point is the over commiting of challenges, its one thing that pisses me off, and made valeri, and wilkshere look like novices, germany were playing really simple balls, good balls but very simple and the defenders would 'think' they can get it, and the germans would just sucker them in almost everytime with a pass or just a change in direction, ozil is a good example.

some signs of life were emerton, good to see him dodge and weave, look great especially as he is just back from injury. he was mixing it with the best of the germans, but unfortunatly he had nothing to work with. holman was very lively, got into space, ran forward very well. Culina was quite good too.

not sure of this, but is there an appeal panel for situations like cahill's? surely there should be people in place to override poor red card decisions...?

next game is goin to be very interesting to watch, pim will HAVE TO change the tactic to beat ghana, or we will not advance. attac, attack, will need to be the mind set, while obviously keeping stability at the back. neill and moore did very well one on one, but this high line defence killed us, those 2 need to play a bit deeper to compensate for their lack of pace.

next game

GK-Schwarzer
RB-Wilkshere
CB-Niell
CB-Moore
LB-Chippers or carney
RM-Emerton
DM-Culina
DM-Grella
LM-Bresciano
AM-Kewell
CF-Kennedy

lol, Moore was awful, both one on one and chasing
where was he for the goals?

one on one he outmuscled their forwards. wasent enough in the end cause thats not where the germans scored, but in that sense moore did ok, but that is it tho.

[Russia2O18]

Penalty denied, red card that should have been a yellow.

However, Australia deserved that 4-0 loss. Played well for 8 mins and then went down the shitter. Pathetic defence, thought Valeri did alright, but no one really stood out. schwarzer stopped it being more. We played NO out and out strikers, Cahill is a midfielder ffs. Pim is pathetic as a coach.

Bresciano in for Cahill, Kewell and Kennedy up front...

SHOCKEROOS!!!

wasnt a penalty and Timmy's tackle was from behind..thats a red

Australia deserved an 8-0 loss but the German's just did what they needed to do and took some mercy on them

leading up to this world cup i feared this sort of thing was going to happen..the writing was on the wall for anyone who can read

it could get worse against Ghana

your either a or your german..

i might be both..but its beside the point

i am a keen observer with experience and my experience told me this result was on the cards

[Bomber]

Did anyone mention the war?

[Heaven Up Here]

You

[PhilDunphy]

I can't believe nobody has brought up what I think was the most embarrasing performance of the night......WHAT THE HELL WAS GOING ON WITH PIM'S HAIR !!!! Forget the 4 zip result, lets all chip in and get someone from Hair Machine to fly over there and give this idiot a make over !!!

[Barney Rubble]

Penalty denied, red card that should have been a yellow.

However, Australia deserved that 4-0 loss. Played well for 8 mins and then went down the shitter. Pathetic defence, thought Valeri did alright, but no one really stood out. schwarzer stopped it being more. We played NO out and out strikers, Cahill is a midfielder ffs. Pim is pathetic as a coach.

Bresciano in for Cahill, Kewell and Kennedy up front...

SHOCKEROOS!!!

wasnt a penalty and Timmy's tackle was from behind..thats a red

Australia deserved an 8-0 loss but the German's just did what they needed to do and took some mercy on them

leading up to this world cup i feared this sort of thing was going to happen..the writing was on the wall for anyone who can read

it could get worse against Ghana

Looks like another beer owing.

Right on all accounts, love your team / country.
Put your hand on your heart and say you could not see this happening ?

You had your hand on something else

[Knight7]

Did anyone mention the war?

I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it

[Chelsea4thewin]

beachaump (spelling) should come in for moore

[Russia2O18]

listen..i support the Soccceroos but realistically they've been playing poorly for years and just getting away with it against some laughable opposition in Asia

you look at the career arc of their fading stars...whats coming through.,,the level they're playing at, players without clubs..players not even playing for their clubs or injured..then couple that with Pim's ridiculous and naive tactics..as soon as they faced serious opposition they were going to get humiliated

[MegaBonus]

how were his tactics naive?????????

if he played a more open attacking style he wouldve been 'really' naive and we wouldve copped more......

like against brazil 4 years ago, i wouldve taken a 2-0 loss. we are not in the same 'tachnical ball park' as the top 10 nations.....shiiiiit, most asian countries are technically superior than us.

[MG&Son]

pim verbeek cost us this one. the style he has us playing is astonishingly poor, they may aswell have us playing for the shiraz wallabies, back pass after back pass after back pass, SOOOOOOO MONOTONE. some poor desicions by the ref too, by no means was it a red for cahill, you saw that he pulled out his feet from the challenge that he knew he wasent gonna win, slide into another player and somehow copped a red.. :? maybe a yellow for now being accurate. valeri shouldnt have got a yellow either.you can respect the germans style of football but not their attitude, bastien, ozil and cacau were disgracful with their diving, disrespectful to the game on this stage.
wasent schwarzers night, poor decision for the second goal, that is what happens when you hesitate. Its sad to see this is the last world cup alot of our stars will play and pim has them playing this poorly, this walking pace, back passing, backwards mentality, i will be glad when pim leaves. another bad point is the over commiting of challenges, its one thing that pisses me off, and made valeri, and wilkshere look like novices, germany were playing really simple balls, good balls but very simple and the defenders would 'think' they can get it, and the germans would just sucker them in almost everytime with a pass or just a change in direction, ozil is a good example.

some signs of life were emerton, good to see him dodge and weave, look great especially as he is just back from injury. he was mixing it with the best of the germans, but unfortunatly he had nothing to work with. holman was very lively, got into space, ran forward very well. Culina was quite good too.

not sure of this, but is there an appeal panel for situations like cahill's? surely there should be people in place to override poor red card decisions...?

next game is goin to be very interesting to watch, pim will HAVE TO change the tactic to beat ghana, or we will not advance. attac, attack, will need to be the mind set, while obviously keeping stability at the back. neill and moore did very well one on one, but this high line defence killed us, those 2 need to play a bit deeper to compensate for their lack of pace.

next game

GK-Schwarzer
RB-Wilkshere
CB-Niell
CB-Moore
LB-Chippers or carney
RM-Emerton
DM-Culina
DM-Grella
LM-Bresciano
AM-Kewell
CF-Kennedy

lol, Moore was awful, both one on one and chasing
where was he for the goals?

one on one he outmuscled their forwards. wasent enough in the end cause thats not where the germans scored, but in that sense moore did ok, but that is it tho.

He did not do ok. He was average as all hell. Too slow, and too worried about what the linesman was doing.

[# 9]

arent ok and average the same thing. im not saying he was outstanding, there was worse tho.

[Russia2O18]

how were his tactics naive?????????

if he played a more open attacking style he wouldve been 'really' naive and we wouldve copped more......

like against brazil 4 years ago, i wouldve taken a 2-0 loss. we are not in the same 'tachnical ball park' as the top 10 nations.....shiiiiit, most asian countries are technically superior than us.

he played a system last night they've never played before with Cahill out of position...biggest match of the campaign = naive
the tired old defenders tried to use the offside trap throughout the match..despite being exposed by the USA and NZ doing the same thing = naive

that Garcia was even on the park was a gross tactical misjudgment

the Germans had space out wide for the entire match yet nothing was done about it = naive

Verbeek has never managed a team that have played a team of this level in a match that has meant something ever before

he was exposed as a noob by park division tactics at a World Cup FFS

the Socceroos, not only were they embarrassing at their general level of play but their tactics throughout made us look like the kind of 3rd world nation you would see slipping through the qualifying back in the bad old old days when African nations didnt even know the rules properly

and once again...Cahill's tackle was a legit red
sometimes in the EPL such things are overlooked as its that sort of league, but throughout the world..and the players should've known this and have been prepared accordingly, that at a World Cup a tackle from behind will draw a red

[redsfan]

moore and neil were both terrible, both slow as all fark and caught out of position alot. Beauchamp has to come in for Moore or we will get slaughtered by an even faster Ghana.

Emerton, Garcia, Wilkshire were really only the few who i would have given a pass mark, Culina wasn't terrible, Holman did sorta ok but thats it. Ruka didn't really have any chance to do anything, pretty much everyone needs to lift if we wanna win a game.

[# 9]

not all challenges from behind draw red cards. yes the degree of pressure on the refs on the biggest stage will cause them to see things in a different light sometimes, and with that, the WC panel hopefully should overturn cahill's red.

[Bresciano]

Felt sorry for Oz. Completely outclassed. They have worked hard to get to the WC so can't be too critical. On the plus side was great to watch a wonderful team play such exciting football.

Hopefully we can beat Ghana & Serbia - I wont right us off yet - but if we don't win these games will our poor performance affect our chances of getting the 2022 WC.

[Hawkesy]

A penalty should have been awarded to the Australians when the score was 2 nil.

Haven't we discussed the point of non deliberate hand balls before?

[Jock]

Prediction: Aussies out in straight sets - no wins and maybe no goals either.

[MegaBonus]

OnionBag

he played a system last night they've never played before with Cahill out of position...biggest match of the campaign = naive
the tired old defenders tried to use the offside trap throughout the match..despite being exposed by the USA and NZ doing the same thing = naive

that Garcia was even on the park was a gross tactical misjudgment

the Germans had space out wide for the entire match yet nothing was done about it = naive

while i appreciate your sentiments, i dont think the word 'naive' is correct. this implies, he didnt know what to expect. he knew exactly what to expect but can be accused of getting his player selection and tactics wrong.

however, lets not forget that...
- Garcia coudve scored inside 4 minutes
- we played the offside trap because of the lack of speed in the centre of defence. if we didnt, and defended higher up the park, id hate to imagine the score
- pim identified germanys right side as their strength, both mueller and lahm providing assists in the 1st half thus went for culina on the left in an attempt to nullify.

you could argue that the above were wrong decisions but not becasuse of naivity....

[Chade]

Prediction: Aussies out in straight sets - no wins and maybe no goals either.

Did you see the Serbia/Ghana game? I only saw the highlights, but it seemed like almost every chance created was caused by a mistake.

[Martin Tyler]

A penalty should have been awarded to the Australians when the score was 2 nil.

Haven't we discussed the point of non deliberate hand balls before?

Yes, ball to hand was ruled here, not hand to ball - but the defender runs a dangerous risk waving his arms around in the box, it's not like the ball was driven into a still arm by his side. I think there was justifiable cause for a penalty claim with this one.

Otherwise, all defenders may as well just flap their arms around wildly in front of goal and claim accidental contact every time.....lift your arms, risk a penalty.