Philosophy and opinion on A team Vs. B team

[cannavaronesta]

Be interested in some thoughts on A's vs. B's - how things are run with squads and interaction of them.

Some questions are:
Bearing in mind it is amateurs and divs 1 to 5 say- (should a club or coach)

If A's are performing badly and B's very well. If it comes down to B's winning top spot, should they pursue this and go for glory etc.. OR some how prioritize A’s still (even if they will be relegated)?

Thoughts please

A's And B's should they train together and pick each week or should there be a complete separation.

Just interested to see opinions and experience from long term clubs.

Thanks

[numéro_octavo]

At the end of the day the B team is a reserve team for the A team because the As are the ones that get relegated and promoted not the Bs. As far as training together this all depends on the As coach. I believe is best to keep it separate.

[Kitchimo]

'A' team comes first. Always. 'B' team is there to supplement the 'A' team.

If it gets to the stage in the season where the 'A' team is playing for nothing (be it with 1, 3, 5 or however many games remaining), then sure, I don't see a problem with the club attempting to win a 'B' team title.

Ultimately ask yourself this, though. Would your club rather be relegated or win a 'B' team title? I would hope that every club's answer would be the same.

[cannavaronesta]

yes thats the obvious answer, however if its not going to happen then next best option.

[bigdawg]

i think that the A's should be the priority.
IMO the A's should have their immediate squad of say 16 or so train separate to the B's. then if there are any players from the B's who are being considered for the A's then they should also train with the A's. Just like federation squads are done.

this though can not be done unless the whole B team turn up for training. i have seen this done in the past and there has been 4 or 5 B team lads doing a training on their own. Common sense needs to prevail.

but i say focus on what gets you promoted or keeps you from relegation.

[Mato]

i guess it depends on the club. i'd be more interested in the dynamics and interaction between the players at some of the bigger (read: paid to play) sunday clubs. i know at my club there isnt a whole lot of fuss about who plays a's, b's etc. most people are happy enough to play where selected and and there isn't alot of ego, both teams are supported well by fans too. in fact i'd say our best player atm is on of the biggest pissheads at the club, and loves to shoot the shit with everyone regardless of ability.

is this case similar at say downs, farm etc? or is there a big 'a grade star' mentality, with people being paid? and not alot of thought or time given to the lesser teams.

[on the side]

cue 'downs' and 'farm' defence of not paying players here...

[jogger]

cue 'downs' and 'farm' and 'floras' defence of not paying players here...

[swannsong]

cue 'downs' and 'farm' defence of not paying players here...

Not in defence...but what has "incentives" got to do with training philosophies...?
I think if numbers aren't great, train both squads together on the first night of training in the week, then split them for the second night...however if you have squads of 15-16 it is probably best to train separately...

[Mato]

please do not drag this thread down with that crap, i did not intend for this to turn into an argument on who pays, who doesnt. im just interested in the dynamic this causes within a club, esp re: first team vs reserves players and how they get along (and in general, how the club as a whole supports both teams)

[Vale_boy05]

please do not drag this thread down with that crap, i did not intend for this to turn into an argument on who pays, who doesnt. im just interested in the dynamic this causes within a club, esp re: first team vs reserves players and how they get along (and in general, how the club as a whole supports both teams)

B's support the A's, key for the reserves coach is to make sure his players a ready when called upon.

A's and B's i think should train apart, everybody has a beer together after

[Hawkesy]

our best player atm is on of the biggest pissheads at the club, and loves to shoot the cabernet with everyone regardless of ability.

But I'm not even in the country ATM.

[Rob Lozza]

Be interested in some thoughts on A's vs. B's - how things are run with squads and interaction of them.

Some questions are:
Bearing in mind it is amateurs and divs 1 to 5 say- (should a club or coach)

If A's are performing badly and B's very well. If it comes down to B's winning top spot, should they pursue this and go for glory etc.. OR some how prioritize A’s still (even if they will be relegated)?

Thoughts please

A's And B's should they train together and pick each week or should there be a complete separation.

Just interested to see opinions and experience from long term clubs.

Thanks

The priority is the 'A' grade. Always.

Re training, this should be the coach's call. Some run training as a single group and others do it separate. I've seen both approaches work well.

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We trained with our upcoming opponents tonight

[Dad's Army]

We trained with our upcoming opponents tonight

[Hawkesy]

We trained with our upcoming opponents tonight

funnily enough, so did my team.

[cannavaronesta]

some good responses , what about the div 1 sides do A and B train together at all or completely seperate ?

[Wraith]

some good responses , what about the div 1 sides do A and B train together at all or completely seperate ?

Our A's, B's & C's are all seperate

And even though it's best to retain a holistic focus of the club, your priority is always the A's, as they are the team which determine which division you play in.

[The Magician]

some good responses , what about the div 1 sides do A and B train together at all or completely seperate ?

Our A's, B's & C's are all seperate

And even though it's best to retain a holistic focus of the club, your priority is always the A's, as they are the team which determine which division you play in.

In hindsight, have you noticed who the majority are who hang around and support the club (and financially) - the C graders. Most A players have their bottle of water and come and go between clubs. It's the C graders who drink Beer and eat all night which determine the longevity of a club!

[swannsong]

some good responses , what about the div 1 sides do A and B train together at all or completely seperate ?

Our A's, B's & C's are all seperate

And even though it's best to retain a holistic focus of the club, your priority is always the A's, as they are the team which determine which division you play in.

You couldn't expect the A's and B's to train at the Bar like the C's....

[Delete Your Account]

some good responses , what about the div 1 sides do A and B train together at all or completely seperate ?

Our A's, B's & C's are all seperate

And even though it's best to retain a holistic focus of the club, your priority is always the A's, as they are the team which determine which division you play in.

In hindsight, have you noticed who the majority are who hang around and support the club (and financially) - the C graders. Most A players have their bottle of water and come and go between clubs. It's the C graders who drink Beer and eat all night which determine the longevity of a club!

More like the E's & F's at my club

[Chade]

some good responses , what about the div 1 sides do A and B train together at all or completely seperate ?

A, B, C together Tuesday, separate Thursday (div 1/5)
E, F same (div 3)
G, H together, I think (div 4)

[Kitchimo]

IMO it all comes down to numbers. We can fluctuate from anywhere between 30-70 players at training, so who trains with who really depends on who shows up. Generally our As and Bs train separately, and if our Cs and Ds have numbers they will train separately too.

[Outlaw 2.0]

Our B team has always supported the A's and it has been very well known around our club that the success of the A's starts with the ongoing success in the Reserves. We make sure that we play and train well to provide every opportunityh to be promoted to the A's as well as support team mates that are dropped to the Reserves to allow them to get back into the A's squad.

One would assume that most reserves would make life hell for a first teamer to increase their chances of getting selected in the A's team rather than the player dropped. Although we don't train together there isn't a large gap both during training and games as well as in the clubrooms after.

Our reserves always stick around to watch our A's play after their game and help by putting money back into the club which helps the club help the A's.

[Wraith]

some good responses , what about the div 1 sides do A and B train together at all or completely seperate ?

Our A's, B's & C's are all seperate

And even though it's best to retain a holistic focus of the club, your priority is always the A's, as they are the team which determine which division you play in.

In hindsight, have you noticed who the majority are who hang around and support the club (and financially) - the C graders. Most A players have their bottle of water and come and go between clubs. It's the C graders who drink Beer and eat all night which determine the longevity of a club!

Without doubt the C's are important, if however, especially the A's, ate & drank like the C's then we wouldn't be in Div 1.

[Cooper]

I think that the way my team trains is good. Our philosophy is that we are 1 team. We are not split up into A's and B's we train as one. It help to promote a great comradery within the team and we all support each other. I really couldnt see us training as 2 separate teams it just wouldnt work.

Just curious how many people do you guys get to trainings on average?

[Wraith]

Just curious how many people do you guys get to trainings on average?

On average, Thursday is when all teams train all together (although in seperate groups), about 50 - 60

[Cooper]

Just curious how many people do you guys get to trainings on average?

On average, Thursday is when all teams train all together (although in seperate groups), about 50 - 60

Wow thats alot of people training id hate to be competing for a game on your team. I guess thats why you guy train in separate teams. We would be lucky to get 20 people out to a Friday night training.

[danzo]

If A grade is such a priority for everyone then why have some clubs forfieted their A grade teams in the cup and kept in their Reserves?
This should not be allowed as basically you are trying to buy a cup win. If A's forfiet the cup the reserves should too, or the reserves should step up and play A's football.

[danzo]

Wow thats alot of people training id hate to be competing for a game on your team. I guess thats why you guy train in separate teams. We would be lucky to get 20 people out to a Friday night training.

Thats because you train friday night, at night which most people would rather be down the pub.