League Restructure - Campbelltown City

[John Cena]

for too long this has been happening, and wendy ffsa sent coaches to campbeltown to help them with there results, why wasnt there any sent to toros when they were getting flogged every week too.....so many double standards, please vacate your position and let some fair new fresh faces try and fix the brothel that you have created

[Granny]

If you want to get this right you got to let things run their course. Don't remove a team because they're getting flogged. Let natural selection happen on it's own. If you're great you'll go top, if you're good you'll do well, if you're ok you'll do fine, if you're bad you'll do bad. That's the way it is.

If you get relagated at the end of the year you try again, and again, and again.

I'm really surprised WC didn't say "Here you go, we'll give you 6 points to make it fair" ....as an act of charity.

[John Cena]

If you want to get this right you got to let things run their course. Don't remove a team because they're getting flogged. Let natural selection happen on it's own. If you're great you'll go top, if you're good you'll do well, if you're ok you'll do fine, if you're bad you'll do bad. That's the way it is.

If you get relagated at the end of the year you try again, and again, and again.

I'm really surprised WC didn't say "Here you go, we'll give you 6 points to make it fair" ....as an act of charity.

shhhhhhhh....dont give her ideas....

[themagnet]

I think the Div 4 games v Campbelltown should not count. Sure it can be a 'scratch match' every week that was supposed to be a bye, give those girls a run, but results from those games should not stand, they should not be able to influence or change the tables, it is completely unfair.

or they can start with the points they have now, but no catch up games, that goes for both leagues. It's not fair that they are given a chance to pick up points so far into the season, especially since they 'should' both end up as one of the strongest teams in the division. It will be interesting to see just how they go, but disgracefull to hear that they've already been told not to beat teams by more than 5,

and the ressies got told not to beat teams by 5 goals or more in div 4 so it dont look bad LOL....i dunno what to really say but i think the whole league is a schmozzle so yea watevz

what's the point in that!!??!! If that's the opinion the league has of their ability, why the hell put them in that division!!!?? That equates to them being told not to play to the best of your ability. What are they supposed to do if they come up against a weak team, that other teams are beating by significant margains? Put 5 past them in the first 20 mins and just play keepies off for the rest of the game?

[Easy Tiger]

I'm sorry, but if I played for C'town I would go knock on the door of another club now and see if they take me.
Just my opinion but I wouldn't stay there being demoted half way through the year. I wonder if any of the girls actually agree with this decision or if it's just (bad) politics!

[themagnet]

I'm sorry, but if I played for C'town I would go knock on the door of another club now and see if they take me.
Just my opinion but I wouldn't stay there being demoted half way through the year. I wonder if any of the girls actually agree with this decision or if it's just (bad) politics!

So would I, but, I don't think they should be allowed. FFSA have made this decision in an effort to save/protect the club, it wont do much good if players leave the club anyway and it gets weaker. If they do go to another prems team, they should have to go to one of the bottom two.

[Easy Tiger]

Just wondering...but if there was the option for some D1 clubs to go into Prems next year...would some clubs go up and which ones? Or would they do a Para Hills at the last minute?
If any want to be there then maybe FFSA should start giving them all the help they have given C'town from now? I would think that Toros, South Adelaide and Gawler could be options...and Para Hills should totally be there.

[Easy Tiger]

I'm sorry, but if I played for C'town I would go knock on the door of another club now and see if they take me.
Just my opinion but I wouldn't stay there being demoted half way through the year. I wonder if any of the girls actually agree with this decision or if it's just (bad) politics!

So would I, but, I don't think they should be allowed. FFSA have made this decision in an effort to save/protect the club, it wont do much good if players leave the club anyway and it gets weaker. If they do go to another prems team, they should have to go to one of the bottom two.

But can FFSA dictate all this things? As far as I know players can go wherever they want if they are not SASI or AU players. Maybe they went/stayed at C'town because they wanted to play Prems...and now they get relegated 1/2 way thru?? I know what you are saying, but no one can oblige a player to play. If I had to I'd quit for the season or go somewhere else to train and prepare the next year but I'd never move down from Prem to D1 or from Res to D4!!! That's ridiculous.

[BillShankly]

Just wondering...but if there was the option for some D1 clubs to go into Prems next year...would some clubs go up and which ones? Or would they do a Para Hills at the last minute?
If any want to be there then maybe FFSA should start giving them all the help they have given C'town from now? I would think that Toros, South Adelaide and Gawler could be options...and Para Hills should totally be there.

Western District Toros would be very happy to move back into the Premier division.

[batumgoesthedynamite]

Womens soccer in this state is dying, slowly but surely.

Why wasnt campbelltown put into div 1 at the start of the year. It was a perfect opportunity, it was plain as daylight for everyone to see.

Now they have to play 8 catchup games - 7 vs div 1 sides and 1 vs metro in prems, what a strain on the players seeming they will have to play on a sunday as well.

[Pao FC]

for too long this has been happening, and wendy ffsa sent coaches to campbeltown to help them with there results, why wasnt there any sent to toros when they were getting flogged every week too.....so many double standards, please vacate your position and let some fair new fresh faces try and fix the macdonalds that you have created

where did u here that? i dunno what your talking about but the coaches we had were basket cases....this year was a joke.....getting someone who had bi polar tendencies and was so dramatic firing everyone who was working for ctown on the sideline and never coached prems in her life, maybe the club should of done its research because nobody has ever taken care of ctown from the ffsa. Thats one reason why things suck there nobody cares about the girls to get them a actual decent coach, the only ever decent coach ctown ever had was camillo lombardi....took over drusetta's role last season.

Clearly its the same teams doing well every year, i know this may sound crazy but maybe they should introduce getting payed for games now because i cant see how any new club will do any good from div 1 in prems unless they have something that will attract quality players or recruit well....if c-town were struggling then forget anybody else from div 1

and the players will leave ctown if they get dropped....its really sad as there are a few players in that squad with sasi potential

[John Cena]

Pao i was told about the coaches from a memo that apparently was sent from FFSA explaining there decision to drop them. maybe someone that received it can comment on it

[corona]

I think a lot of you are assuming alot , wendy carter is not to blame here , the club and ffsa have been working together over this situation , this was not decided over night , the club spoke to the ffsa which involves more than only wendy , and we decided after alot of thought and talking to the team , what was in the best interest for the senior women and we asked for some assitance from the ffsa , which they helped in many ways , as i stress the ffsa didnt want us to go to div 1 , but it came to the last resort , im not here to tell you all the details , but saying wendy is at fault is wrong , and for people to come on here behind a screen and bag the club or people who put so much effort in . is just wrong . the club at this moment will be trying to put a structure in to improve our situation , this will need time , and patience . we like to praise all the players for beening understanding and for the ffsa helping , the ffsa will help any team if you ask . wish the best of luck to all concerned . we ask clubs not to pass judgement on us or the ffsa , we also like to thank the ffsa for there time and effort to try keep us in the prems .

thank you from camillo lombardi

[Tottenham Hotspur]

Just a thought........by what Ive heard Campbelltown really struggles to fill both their Prem and Res sides, whether that is due to injuries or lack of numbers I dont know.
But if they have low numbers then they will find it very hard to fill 2 sides ( ie D1 & D4) cause they wont be playing after one another anymore, let alone at the same venue. So all you D4 sides, eventhough I do understand your concerns, I dont think it will be that bad

[on the side]

Just a thought........by what Ive heard Campbelltown really struggles to fill both their Prem and Res sides, whether that is due to injuries or lack of numbers I dont know.
But if they have low numbers then they will find it very hard to fill 2 sides ( ie D1 & D4) cause they wont be playing after one another anymore, let alone at the same venue. So all you D4 sides, eventhough I do understand your concerns, I dont think it will be that bad

this is why I said they should just have a team in Div 1, the old res team could strength that Div 1 side and just stick to that. If they all played in Div 1 they could still work on become stronger players to hopefully go back to Pres and Res next year, but a reserves team playing in Div 4 are not going to become a better team and learn anything?

my concern is not that campbelltown reserves might/probably will beat everyone in div 4; it's not like the teams can't handle a loss, its the fact it will impact the table and the placings at the end, and that is unfair.

[lefty]

Simply another reason why the structure of Football in SA is not working & unsustainable there is only one person to blame for that if you want to finger point but seriously until everyone comes together & Football has a proper long term structure these & may other frustrating things will keep happening.

[Stitch This]

......the ffsa will help any team if you ask.....

One would hope this would always be the case?

[Granny]

Here's a great opportunity for the Div 4 team to sharpen their skills. Put 5 goals in the net early and then play 2 touch, 1 touch, how many passes can they string together and then they have to beat that, and beat that and see what record they can make, maybe juggling with the feet and then progress onto headers..............what a fantastic opportunity.........

[themagnet]

Here's a great opportunity for the Div 4 team to sharpen their skills. Put 5 goals in the net early and then play 2 touch, 1 touch, how many passes can they string together and then they have to beat that, and beat that and see what record they can make, maybe juggling with the feet and then progress onto headers..............what a fantastic opportunity.........

and they can only use their left foot (unless they're a lefty, then they have to use their right), what a fun game it will be

[southern]

After all this stuff...I just want to wish the best to Campbelltown from now on, good luck girls hope you can reset and go back to the PL next year. Whether ppl like or not this is now a decision that has been made and the club has to look forward. I'm sure that the club and FFSA didn't want this to happen, but sometimes things go pear shaped for whatever reason. Maybe this will be a wake up call for all and actually turn out to be a positive in the long run.

[Angela Porcu]

what a load of soft cockker spaniels. toros were getting beaten easily still and played out the whole season...well done WC your making our league a laughing stock....drop the club for the whole season and come back next year

Don't normal promotion and relegation rules apply? I would expect any club to play out their season.

[shorty]

I just skimmed over this coz really I don't give a s#1t at all but just a few points...

- has Wendy come out on this forum and at any stage taken full responsibilty for c'town dropping out? Coz as far as I'm concerned it takes 2 to tango... C'town win a few games here n there but to get beat SIXTEEN nil is a desgrace. I think all the c'town girls r really nice but u feel sorry for them.
Also when they lost rob drusetta for whatever reason - that's when they went backwards. I thought in a few years he would have a well structered bunch of girls who would b able to string a few wins together.

- toros, no offence but surely the federation couldn't give u guys another season. (seriously no offence) we beat u guys 13.0 one week... I think it's unhealthy for a team of young girls to consistantly lose.
I played for noarlunga (which Neits/Kirrals/beaches etc) will agree we got thrasher by nab & sturt by 16 goals some weeks... The difference between us losing by that much and girls that are 14/15 yrs old - we weren't babied when we were younger. We took those loss' on the chin - girls don't know how to do that these days coz they just run off and sit on daddys knee...

- ebs, she has/had the chance to move to another club - she still does. But if I got told I couldn't play for Fulham I don't know if I could leave either. I thought of leaving Fulham at the start of this year but realised the bond our coachig,managing staff & playing squad have is waaaaay too strong to be able to leave and not regret it half way thru.
So yeah the rule sucks for ebs, and yes she can go play for another club - but there's just that one thing that would stop probably EVERYONE leaving their club.... Team bonding....

- just one final thing...
APPLY FOR WENDYS JOB IF U DONT LIKE HOW ITS DONE... remember she isn't the only one that works in that office. I'd be happy to go get a printed document of her stating that her job is ALWAYS up for grabs. Just like Kevin's coaching gig at Sasi - it is ALWAYS open for ppl to apply it's just if u can handle it....

[kingy80]

Wow shorty bit of a different tune than the rant about your beloved cup... hmmm

[John Cena]

shorty, when a club is told it has 2 seasons grace in the prem league and they get dropped after one how does that work.........and then the reserves get dropped.......you tell me.......who made those decisions one person did,,,,,no need to name names

[adelaidepie]

Shorty,

Agree with most you have said except for one point, the Toros girls were young but didn't give up and would have gone on th following year, so like para hills previously the hope and expectation at the club would have been to reduce the loses from the cricket score to a more respectable score. Dropping them out of the premier league didn't give them that chance to prove whether they could have / would have improved. Instead the club has had to try and rebuild their confidence from div 1. The FFSA did this no one else.

Next toros were promised two years in the competition regardless. Now if this had not been promised no one would have cared if toros were relegated they finished last so relegation for them, however Para, Gawler, Campbelltown and Vale (if my memory services me correctly) have all left the premier league on their terms either reguested at the begining of the season not to be put in prems or dropped during the season. The FFSA took this basic decision away from toros. Fair? Think not, Equal for all clubs no.

So might point is this and always will be this, untill the FFSA make a 'fair, open and honest' leagues by this being relegation / promotion rules set at the begining of the comp and stay that way throughout, the competition and leagues will always have these problems. There should be no if's buts or maybes, if you win you the league you go up you, bottom you go down.

Simple rule everyone knows at the start and can not say 'we aren't good enough we don't want this. You sign up and play under the FFSA's rules not your clubs rules.


Adelaidepie Julian

[southern]

You are very right AP. Rules need to be set early, approved by all and enforced FAIRLY by the FFSA. Not saying that they are always unfair, but taking every case as a different case just makes ppl wonder why they don't just stick to their own rules.

As for who makes the decisions...there needs to transparency there, it's not good enough to know that "they" do this "they" do that. I personally don't think that WC is responsible for all the shiraz, she managed sawsa for so many years. You can't just point the finger at WC because it's true, she is not the FFSA and she has a passion for the game. Obviously she would never ruin it intentionally!!! But something is wrong, you cannot deny it. If so many ppl (I'm talking the real world out there, not this forum) are so outraged and angry with FFSA doesn't this mean that "they" are perhaps not doing that well???

But shorty...I think you must watch too much tv if you seriously think that all it takes is to apply for hers or Kevin's job! What does that mean??? Ppl involved in the sport have all rights to complain and to say whatever they want. I don't agree with some offensive posts here, some ppl take it too far but don't come here and say that ppl can't complain about how things are run! And, besides, I have never seen her job advertised and I am not so sure that FFSA are considering some changes there.

[southern]

BTW, how does this C'town drama leave the PL competition? I checked on the ffsa website but the fixtures still include C'town all the way in the Prems. How are the fixture changing now...are there gonna be more byes or is the league just shorter?

[adelaidepie]

I believe that Campbelltown may still have to play one game against Metro in the prems as a catch up game. This game is affectively a lose lose for both clubs. Lets play devils advocate here! Why would Campbelltown play with any intensity (not saying this for offence to campbelltown players) they would have a bigger picture for them and that is to concentrate on div 1. If they forfeit it's not fair to metro, if campbelltown play with anything less than 100% committement then this score could help decided the end of seasons positions if it comes down to goal difference. So who is going to win from this game? No one really and yet to not play is unfair. A bit of a problem for the FFSA, Metro and Campbelltown.

Adelaidepie Julian

[neits/burgo/shadow]

BTW, how does this C'town drama leave the PL competition? I checked on the ffsa website but the fixtures still include C'town all the way in the Prems. How are the fixture changing now...are there gonna be more byes or is the league just shorter?

I believe that Campbelltown may still have to play one game against Metro in the prems as a catch up game. This game is affectively a lose lose for both clubs. Lets play devils advocate here! Why would Campbelltown play with any intensity (not saying this for offence to campbelltown players) they would have a bigger picture for them and that is to concentrate on div 1. If they forfeit it's not fair to metro, if campbelltown play with anything less than 100% committement then this score could help decided the end of seasons positions if it comes down to goal difference. So who is going to win from this game? No one really and yet to not play is unfair. A bit of a problem for the FFSA, Metro and Campbelltown.

Adelaidepie Julian

The best way to solve this problem for all clubs in the Premier League and also Campbelltown is to have all the goals (for and against) and points gained against CC erased. How can teams have points against a team that does not exist in the league anymore? Why should metro have to play a catch up game with a team that isnt in the league? I know they would want to rack up goals to better their goal difference, probably the only reason. Another disimal descision by the FFSA.....

[shorty]

If I want to contradict myself I'm allowed too..
(ps Richmond won wooohooo!!)

y can't ppl compliment these days....
- ebs is training week in week out
- Mj is training harder than ever
- Adel united r training in preperstion for the up &. Coming season
- mike is adapting to how women play
- Wendy - GEEEEEEEZ if u want her job I can give u her number so u can take over

yeah I c'N comment on certain topics - coz ummmmm I'm HUMAN!!!!