Poaching

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:04 pm

Disappointing that clubs are at it already trying to attract juniors to bolster their own stocks

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:09 pm

TRUST ME IT DUZNT JUST HAPPEN IN DA JUNIORS.....

and its been going on for years, it happened to noarlunga for soo long... people/coaches approaching players... it will never end, poaching is part of the game now... i tihnk, yeah thats right its called POLITICS!!!

gubs · Post by **gubs** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:10 pm

umm i disagree that poaching concerns juniors...they still have plenty to learn. its when clubs start poaching older, more established players when it starts to get messy imo

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:14 pm

well im referin to juniors...seniors it happens all the time..juniors should be taught loyalty

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:28 pm

sorry wheneva loyalty comes up all i can think of is noarlunga so if ya think im too "in the past" well im just stating the facts... personally i think noarlunga was the most loyal club and taught loyalty to all of its players... until... (otha ppl took over thats when it went to tha shambles!!!!!)

Unretired · Post by **Unretired** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:47 pm

Why is it that the larger clubs try and grab all the younger players. Does that mean they cant create great players from their own junior teams??

Doesnt that mean they should look at who is coaching their juniors and try and fix that way instead of taking the easy road out?

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:48 pm

life is to take the easy road out... no one will EVER, take the hard road.. ifgiven the easy road they will take that...

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:05 pm

Mrs Trainer wrote:Why is it that the larger clubs try and grab all the younger players. Does that mean they cant create great players from their own junior teams??

Doesnt that mean they should look at who is coaching their juniors and try and fix that way instead of taking the easy road out?

Exactly...its not like the club in question doesnt have a poor junior system, i think they have some great kids...which might explain why they leave to play prems at other clubs.

pvfc · Post by **pvfc** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:58 am

this all sounds a bit dodgy - why would any junior setup need to poach players - we get enough players approaching us from schools etc, and personnaly I think it is just unethical to 'poach' juniors, like Bill says, should be trying to instill some team/club loyalty at that age.

Post by **John Cena** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:53 pm

well maybe i shouldnt comment on this but at the zone championships a very silly person was parading about a player thats going over to there club right next to the players current coach i found this very unproffesional and at least wait to all the games and comps are finished before saying anything cause he made his club look like a circus

Drusetta · Post by **Drusetta** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:08 pm

The main reason I see for poaching is results rather than for junior development.

Clubs and football organisations need to see that we are all on the same side. Let a junior play at a club he/she lives nearest to. The only choice about leaving should be made by the junior for genuine reasons. Some juniors want just a change. Others want to move to a club in a higher division - that's normal. Parents could argue it is because of fees.

I don't have a problem with poaching, providing all the reasons are stated up front. I have approached junior players in the past and told them that if they are happy where they are, stay there. If not, I'd be happy to have them in my team. And only after I knew I was losing several players and the team may be short for the following season. Not all clubs have huge attendances at trials. People should remember that.
There have also been occasions where I suggested a player move somewhere else for his development. It involved playing at a higher division and being noticed by state selectors. He made the State Team in SA and then moved to NSW and made that state team - so I'm happy.

Poaching I think is pat of the game, but it is still the choice of the player and parent to go. If they really are happy where they are, they wouldn't move clubs.

But poaching for results sake is just pathetic.

Post by **John Cena** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:57 pm

look poaching is part of the game thats fine but dont advertise it in a crowd of people when other clubs coaches are around

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:12 am

In regards to junior players changing clubs, in most cases it is not the player but the parents who want them to move, generally because they feel they will get better coaching at another club. If you speak to parents of younger girls looking to change clubs, they will often complain that the development, overall social environment and coaching standard at their current club was poor hence wanting a change to a club with supposedly better coaches and a better development program of younger players. There is nothing wrong with this as there are many poor coaches in the junior grades. If you lived south why would you not prefer to be in the cumberland system rather than the south Adelaide System(no disrespect to SA), many more opportunities etc.
Parents are always looking for their girls to be coached by what they consider to be coaches who are good at developing players.

Drusetta · Post by **Drusetta** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:28 am

Olympic10

I agree. Changing clubs for development purposes (ie what is best for a player's development) is perfectly justifiable.

lollipop · Post by **lollipop** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:19 pm

I did it and havent looked back!! best decision of my footballing career so far...if u wanna achieve ur footballing goals u gotta do wot u gotta do...

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:20 pm

yeha but theres a loyalty rule that comes with all of that too...
iv contemplated leaving fulham (im not gunna lie) coz i thort it wld be beta for myself, that wld be selfsish for me to think of myself.. fulham have done everything for me, basically when i say jump they say how high.. thats how good they have been to me, its amazing.. and for me to up and leave :
a) i wld feel like sh1t
b) my parents wldnt be hapi coz iv been brought up to be loyal
c) all of the above!!

theres times when u think whats best for you, but theres also times when you have to consider loyalty and thats what a lot of ppl dont think of...

yeha i have my problems with fulham and iv looked at several different clubs even state league but since i havent been playing, iv been thinking just how good fulham were/are to me and i cldnt leave em...

im not just saying this coz its metro but a lot of players should really look at there club.. i personally think they have some tha most loyal girls playing for that club... tha work some ppl put into that club is outragious and tha girls just back it up, fair enuf they havent won a lot; but that comes with time..
and fulham u wldnt think anything goes on off tha pitch, we have a bunch of girls that there personalities clash at times (me, cj, gian) we all have strong personalities that its only normal for us to clash but when we hit tha football (SOCCER) field we wld die for each otha.. thats what some clubs lack too...

anyway iv just bull sh1tted for tha last half an hour so im gunna go now haha
peace out!

courtz · Post by **courtz** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:26 pm

lol shorty glad ur staying at fulham

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:29 pm

i neva said iw as stayin, i just said i shld be loyal and stay... HAHAHAHA

im only staying so i can be with you cj

gubs · Post by **gubs** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:34 pm

shorty i think its important that u do what is best for ur football. dont stay at a club where u will be unhappy coz u will not enjoy the game and u will not develop. yes loyalty is a wonderful thing however if u feel u will benefit more from a fresh start then sus out all options

KrAzY · Post by **KrAzY** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:47 pm

wow shorty ..ur post was amazing!

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:50 pm

wow lep i can feel tha luv haha

OMG I CAN GET TICKETS TO THA ASHES ( i know it aint tha aussie day game but oh well) u wanna come with me???

Dingy08 · Post by **Dingy08** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:52 pm

Metro is an incredibly loyal club not very many senior players have left in the 5 years i have played there.
at junior level though i think you should be looking at your future, things aren't meant to stay the same forever, if you can better your coaching or your chances of playing at higher levels then im all for it.
i left a club to go to metro that i was very loyal to at the time but i felt it was a move that i had to make to better myself.

KrAzY · Post by **KrAzY** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:53 pm

shorty are u joking about getting tickets to the ashes..?

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:54 pm

off topic!!
IM DEAD SERIOUS... I CAN GET FOUR
im literally serious!!!

KrAzY · Post by **KrAzY** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:56 pm

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:59 pm

il see what i can do.. a good bday pres for ya ahha

KrAzY · Post by **KrAzY** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:01 pm

hahaha id pretty much luv you forever

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:06 pm

umm thort u already did lol

KrAzY · Post by **KrAzY** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:12 pm

umm ye well ...its the best i can offer

shorty · Post by **shorty** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:31 pm

aww thanks lep!!!!!!!