I want to open this subject up by firstly saying that I am not attacking the FFSA or anyone involved with the sport but feel that the league and even this forum is slowing dying and I would not like to see this and thought I would open up a conversation to see what other people think.
I mention this forum because I don't know about you but I have noticed that the posts and comments are almost none existant. Where's all the regular posters from years gone by gone? There is not even a decent conversation about the games played on Sunday now and if there is it is split between Prems and other leagues.
For me if I was to write to Michael and Wendy I would like to ask the following and therefore ask other people to contribue to what they see as good, bad and issues we need to bring up.
The premier league is all but over if what I have heard happens and a team pulls out we will be down to what 6 teams? plus of the 6 teams 4 are playing each other in the first round of the cup and they aren't happy about this.
To me these are the points which I believe need to be spoken about in no particular order.
1. The league structure in senior from div 5 up.
You can't drop teams out of the premier league or let teams drop out and not replace them. Teams have wanted to go up but been refused and others have dropped out and not replaced. In the end we end up with what we have nearly no teams left in the 'elite' competition.
2. The SASI and A League playrs all need to be playing. I can understand that they don't want one team to have all the top players but this should have been thought about bfore it happened not afterwards.
3. Relegation and promotion! no competion in the world except AFL and NRL do the top teams not go up and the bottom teams not go down. This leads to a WTF! teams need to know at the begining of the year and this should be a monty as to what happens. You win you go up. Again not pointing to any team as I understand however this isn't helping the league. Teams all over the world from lowly minows to top flight get promoted and have to deal with the jump up. If you knew at the begining of the season win you are up then there would be no 'I don't want to'.
4. To come into the league in Div 5 or whatever the lowest would be then you should have to apply, stop teams taking lots of players from estabilshed clubs. I'm not talking about 3 teams for a club i'm talking about new clubs. We want new clubs but not at the expense of taking playing from one club to another. When teams get up to say div 3 make it that they have to have a junior or another senior team, this makes sure that the club can keep pushing up, maybe up to div say 3 you only need 1 team after that you need 2!
What else could we add.? More opportunities for female coaches or more to the point more encouragement for females to stay in the game.
Over to you and please this is not an attack on FFSA or any club just I think clubs need to be talking and this is for ALL clubs not just top flight. Are you a div 3 team who wants to make prems? don't you want to know that that path is there for you?
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I totally agree with your ideas.
I also think that's is not good that players can switch clubs once the season has started. If you commit to a club then you should stay there for the year. When important players leave a club half way through they leave big gaps behind sometimes. Maybe there's more room for others to step up, but really if the players are important the clubs lose heaps.
I also think that ppl are losing interest in the game because a lot of ppl now feel that no matter what you do things never get better. Players and clubs work hard week in week out but then they are not permitted to do this or that and the elite competition becomes every day more of a joke. Not for the clubs, as I said they work hard, but what's in there for them? I think in general ppl don't trust the ones who lead things anymore (ffsa, AUnited) because there are a lot of stupid changes all the time but nothing is ever really delivered. Everybody blames everybody, but then are the players and the clubs that suffer. State players are told that they can't train with their clubs (state is the priority) even if they play Prems which is a joke as they learn more with their clubs that at state. Ask any player there. SASI players can't play with clubs they want to play for even if they are 14 or 15 years old! Adelaide United, no one knows anything about what they do until late in the year, and players trial for months and months only to be told a week before the WLeague that they didn't make it. And others without being told are then prevented from staying with their clubs. On top of this, the results are terrible, with the state teams getting regularly beaten every year and AU being an embarrassment for the whole sport in SA and the coaches are the same year after year. And also many ppl think that there are some clubs that no matter what are always helped and others are always put down. No one seems to know what the rules actually are, and then ppl just think that there are the 'mates' of those in FFSA that get privileges. No one trusts anybody anymore and when you see the cup draws with top 4 clubs playing each other in round 1 you have to think that something really is wrong.
Personally, I think that to make Women's Football stronger they need to make the clubs strong and have a strong premier league with many clubs. Only like that players can really step up once they are over 17 ( and can't play state).
I also think that's is not good that players can switch clubs once the season has started. If you commit to a club then you should stay there for the year. When important players leave a club half way through they leave big gaps behind sometimes. Maybe there's more room for others to step up, but really if the players are important the clubs lose heaps.
I also think that ppl are losing interest in the game because a lot of ppl now feel that no matter what you do things never get better. Players and clubs work hard week in week out but then they are not permitted to do this or that and the elite competition becomes every day more of a joke. Not for the clubs, as I said they work hard, but what's in there for them? I think in general ppl don't trust the ones who lead things anymore (ffsa, AUnited) because there are a lot of stupid changes all the time but nothing is ever really delivered. Everybody blames everybody, but then are the players and the clubs that suffer. State players are told that they can't train with their clubs (state is the priority) even if they play Prems which is a joke as they learn more with their clubs that at state. Ask any player there. SASI players can't play with clubs they want to play for even if they are 14 or 15 years old! Adelaide United, no one knows anything about what they do until late in the year, and players trial for months and months only to be told a week before the WLeague that they didn't make it. And others without being told are then prevented from staying with their clubs. On top of this, the results are terrible, with the state teams getting regularly beaten every year and AU being an embarrassment for the whole sport in SA and the coaches are the same year after year. And also many ppl think that there are some clubs that no matter what are always helped and others are always put down. No one seems to know what the rules actually are, and then ppl just think that there are the 'mates' of those in FFSA that get privileges. No one trusts anybody anymore and when you see the cup draws with top 4 clubs playing each other in round 1 you have to think that something really is wrong.
Personally, I think that to make Women's Football stronger they need to make the clubs strong and have a strong premier league with many clubs. Only like that players can really step up once they are over 17 ( and can't play state).
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what do expect ? logical down to earth practical results ?? lol
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One step at a time....
There was a quite healthy (eventually) discussion between Prems clubs and FFSA after the delegates meeting last night - should hopefully result in the first small but ongoing step towards better dialogue, exchange of ideas and co-operation between clubs and FFSA.
Everyone wants the same outcome - stronger/better women's football comp at all levels in SA, we all just need to work together. Here's hoping!
There was a quite healthy (eventually) discussion between Prems clubs and FFSA after the delegates meeting last night - should hopefully result in the first small but ongoing step towards better dialogue, exchange of ideas and co-operation between clubs and FFSA.
Everyone wants the same outcome - stronger/better women's football comp at all levels in SA, we all just need to work together. Here's hoping!
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It was only a time before grounswell of discontent occured. Too late to call for changes at the top. A decade too late.
Symptoms of a dying game became evident about 5-6 years ago.
Prognosis - Take up Netball or basketaball if you want a National or International career. Far better run organisations.
Symptoms of a dying game became evident about 5-6 years ago.
Prognosis - Take up Netball or basketaball if you want a National or International career. Far better run organisations.
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Cricket is the go at the moment.lol
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Seriously though, the season thus far has been more even and worth watching in Premier League.
Having a 6 team Super League with all SASI and W-League players involved would help the W-League because the competitivness every week would keep players on notice.
Unfortunately more teams at the top level is not helpful to the standard.
Get the standard up, then look at adding a team from deep south, and the numerous clubs from the north should get together and get a a top level team from there. GROWING AREAS.
Panthers are going along well in Div 1, throw in three or 4 SASI/ W-League Players and one would have a competitive unit.
How are the teams going in the North in DIV1?
So you have a talented player or 2 in the lower Div's if they want to progress then let them play at a standard where they can improve against players of equal or better talent.
Then and only then will quality not quantity be in vogue.
There are many players who play for the social side of things, there is room for them in the lower Div's. But the young players with talent at these lower Div clubs must be allowed to spread their wings.
Having a 6 team Super League with all SASI and W-League players involved would help the W-League because the competitivness every week would keep players on notice.
Unfortunately more teams at the top level is not helpful to the standard.
Get the standard up, then look at adding a team from deep south, and the numerous clubs from the north should get together and get a a top level team from there. GROWING AREAS.
Panthers are going along well in Div 1, throw in three or 4 SASI/ W-League Players and one would have a competitive unit.
How are the teams going in the North in DIV1?
So you have a talented player or 2 in the lower Div's if they want to progress then let them play at a standard where they can improve against players of equal or better talent.
Then and only then will quality not quantity be in vogue.
There are many players who play for the social side of things, there is room for them in the lower Div's. But the young players with talent at these lower Div clubs must be allowed to spread their wings.
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I mentioned a while ago,you have a Reseve grade which is the second strongest in the comp-I dont know of any other sport where that happens. If you are looking for more potential PL players,that is where they are - from what I have seen,you could easily make at least 3,maybe even 4 competitive PL teams if the strongest players in that league were to combine.
The hard part would be to which club should they go,that is not already in the PL ? From what I have seen there are some good players playing Reserves,that could benefit from playing PL,but wont get the chance because their PL side is strong.
You will never have a div 1 side strong enough to play PL,while the Reserve League is your second strongest league.
This is obviously just my opinion,based on what I have seen in my time involved in Women's soccer.
The hard part would be to which club should they go,that is not already in the PL ? From what I have seen there are some good players playing Reserves,that could benefit from playing PL,but wont get the chance because their PL side is strong.
You will never have a div 1 side strong enough to play PL,while the Reserve League is your second strongest league.
This is obviously just my opinion,based on what I have seen in my time involved in Women's soccer.
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Maybe it could be that the prems clubs could loan out ex number of players to div 1 teams for short periods to give the players good game time, keep the talent pool going within football. I'm saying div 1 not to be unfair to the lower ranks but it would be of little use having a prems play playing too low as nothing would be achieved both for player and club loaning the player.
This process is no different to say epl. Top clubs loan out players to help give them match time but if the club has injuries the player is recalled. Now again rule should be in place and maybe only ex number to each club etc but in principle the idea could work but again as said the structure needs to be in place and rules set.
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This process is no different to say epl. Top clubs loan out players to help give them match time but if the club has injuries the player is recalled. Now again rule should be in place and maybe only ex number to each club etc but in principle the idea could work but again as said the structure needs to be in place and rules set.
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My first posting.......
Clubs should strive to get to the highest division as possible by developing their young players and building depth within the club. You work your way through the divisions by gaining promotion. That’s the reward for winning.
But how do you do this with the current structure / situation ? I don’t think it can.
How many clubs have more than one team ?
There must be more than enough to have more divisions that can field a First Team and a Reserve Team. This allows player movement without restrictions. Players will strive and push themselves because of the competitiveness within the club, to be better , knowing that your position is on the line if you don’t perform. If reserve players know that this will result in them playing in the first team, you will get them to perform better.
Here’s an example:
Currently we have 6 Divisions and 1 Reserve Div. (That’s 7)
Premier Division with about 8 - 10 First and Reserve Teams (That’s 2)
First Division with about 8 - 10 First and Reserve Teams (That’s 4)
then
2 Divisions for clubs that can only field 1 Team (That’s now 6)
then
1 Division for clubs that want to field a social team / “C” team. (That’s now 7)
and then ofcourse the Grade Teams.
But you can’t have a competitive league when teams are not being promoted and relugated.
Now, this is just an example and it all depends on the number of clubs and the number of teams which will then determine the size and number of the Divisions. But you get the general idea. Ideally we would want to end up with all divisions playing a First and Reserve team with 1 or 2 divisions for “C” teams (social team)
What do you think ?
Clubs should strive to get to the highest division as possible by developing their young players and building depth within the club. You work your way through the divisions by gaining promotion. That’s the reward for winning.
But how do you do this with the current structure / situation ? I don’t think it can.
How many clubs have more than one team ?
There must be more than enough to have more divisions that can field a First Team and a Reserve Team. This allows player movement without restrictions. Players will strive and push themselves because of the competitiveness within the club, to be better , knowing that your position is on the line if you don’t perform. If reserve players know that this will result in them playing in the first team, you will get them to perform better.
Here’s an example:
Currently we have 6 Divisions and 1 Reserve Div. (That’s 7)
Premier Division with about 8 - 10 First and Reserve Teams (That’s 2)
First Division with about 8 - 10 First and Reserve Teams (That’s 4)
then
2 Divisions for clubs that can only field 1 Team (That’s now 6)
then
1 Division for clubs that want to field a social team / “C” team. (That’s now 7)
and then ofcourse the Grade Teams.
But you can’t have a competitive league when teams are not being promoted and relugated.
Now, this is just an example and it all depends on the number of clubs and the number of teams which will then determine the size and number of the Divisions. But you get the general idea. Ideally we would want to end up with all divisions playing a First and Reserve team with 1 or 2 divisions for “C” teams (social team)
What do you think ?
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Interesting idea. At least someone is thinking about possible future alternatives and growth.
There would be a few things need thought - just a couple of examples below;
There would be a few things need thought - just a couple of examples below;
Granny wrote:My first posting.......
Clubs should strive to get to the highest division as possible by developing their young players and building depth within the club. You work your way through the divisions by gaining promotion. That’s the reward for winning.
But how do you do this with the current structure / situation ? I don’t think it can.
How many clubs have more than one team ?
There must be more than enough to have more divisions that can field a First Team and a Reserve Team. This allows player movement without restrictions. Players will strive and push themselves because of the competitiveness within the club, to be better , knowing that your position is on the line if you don’t perform. If reserve players know that this will result in them playing in the first team, you will get them to perform better.
Here’s an example:
Currently we have 6 Divisions and 1 Reserve Div. (That’s 7)
Premier Division with about 8 - 10 First and Reserve Teams (That’s 2) Struggling to keep 7 teams in this league at present! However I suppose if there were 10 teams though then least the bottom few teams would be competitive with each other and can strive to improve and catch up with the top teams? This may help teams to stop feeling they can't compete at this level and dropping out or refusing promotion?
First Division with about 8 - 10 First and Reserve Teams (That’s 4)
then
2 Divisions for clubs that can only field 1 Team (That’s now 6)
then
1 Division for clubs that want to field a social team / “C” team. (That’s now 7) The quality of various club's 3rd senior teams varies greatly - from div2 to div5, so one div for this wouldn't really work.
and then ofcourse the Grade Teams.
But you can’t have a competitive league when teams are not being promoted and relugated.
Now, this is just an example and it all depends on the number of clubs and the number of teams which will then determine the size and number of the Divisions. But you get the general idea. Ideally we would want to end up with all divisions playing a First and Reserve team with 1 or 2 divisions for “C” teams (social team)
What do you think ?
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Another option could be to push more teams up to prems. EG make the league 10 or 12. this way as currently is the situation, it appears don't want to go up for fear of being flogged each week but if you increase the league then sure ther should be more competitive games. Imagine maybe some of these teams Gawler, Para Hills, Flinders, Toros, Panthers, Stirling up with Cumby, Campbelltown, City, Fulham, Sturt, Metro, Olympic, Hills, Downs, Adelaide Uni etc etc etc then there would be plenty of competitve game but also slowly the gap should decrease. Throw in proper relegation and promotion and the leagues suddenly becomes even stronger.
Maybe it is a time to review the reserves league?
I'm not saying get rid of but as most people point out a fair number of times the reserve league is stronger than most Div 1 so why not change this somehow? Put something in play that wil make a win win for the reserves and a stronger prems.
Just some thoughts
Adelaidepie Julian
Maybe it is a time to review the reserves league?
I'm not saying get rid of but as most people point out a fair number of times the reserve league is stronger than most Div 1 so why not change this somehow? Put something in play that wil make a win win for the reserves and a stronger prems.
Just some thoughts
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But isn't it what they did last year only to go back to the old way this year? I think that if they kept it as it was last season some good players that were unhappy at some bigger clubs would have gone to those lesser clubs...but ppl complained and so it all went back to square 1.adelaidepie wrote:Another option could be to push more teams up to prems. EG make the league 10 or 12. this way as currently is the situation, it appears don't want to go up for fear of being flogged each week but if you increase the league then sure ther should be more competitive games. Imagine maybe some of these teams Gawler, Para Hills, Flinders, Toros, Panthers, Stirling up with Cumby, Campbelltown, City, Fulham, Sturt, Metro, Olympic, Hills, Downs, Adelaide Uni etc etc etc then there would be plenty of competitve game but also slowly the gap should decrease. Throw in proper relegation and promotion and the leagues suddenly becomes even stronger.
Maybe it is a time to review the reserves league?
I'm not saying get rid of but as most people point out a fair number of times the reserve league is stronger than most Div 1 so why not change this somehow? Put something in play that wil make a win win for the reserves and a stronger prems.
Just some thoughts
Adelaidepie Julian
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You can still have a Reserve League,just needs some modification,because there are a lot of players who are currently in it,whose development is being held back I feel. If they were to take an extra step and play Premier League,you will start to develop more quality players.The Reserve league needs to be a little further down the scale so to speak.
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Couple of thoughts…
Have to have Reserves league to support a Prem team or at least have that as core strategic plan.
The Prem league needs more clubs, clearly.
Call for expressions of interest from Clubs in having a Prem team in Premier league, guarantee them say 2 seasons (back to the old rules!) to get established then have a relegation/promotion kicking in 2013.
Actually allocate some resources to the clubs preferably the new or struggling in Prems from FFSA. Anyone seen the female development officer in their area or at their club generating new players to clubs? FFSA need to put serious effort into building up these clubs junior structures. Not to neglect the rest of the clubs but in reality the healthier the top end is the flow down will benefit other clubs.
Have 12 Prem teams with the top 6 clubs playing each other twice and the lower 6 once, the reverse with the bottom 6 playing each twice and the top 6 once.
Instantly evens up the competition, creates more teams, without the weaker ones having to play the top teams too often.
If the a team is good enough it will win through.
If a lower 6 side finishes in top 6 after a season then they go into top end draw.
If it is evening up then a home and way draw could come into affect but in the meantime even with a promotion relegation earlier than 2 years it means a team coming is more competative cause it has less games against the established strong Prem sides.
Have to have Reserves league to support a Prem team or at least have that as core strategic plan.
The Prem league needs more clubs, clearly.
Call for expressions of interest from Clubs in having a Prem team in Premier league, guarantee them say 2 seasons (back to the old rules!) to get established then have a relegation/promotion kicking in 2013.
Actually allocate some resources to the clubs preferably the new or struggling in Prems from FFSA. Anyone seen the female development officer in their area or at their club generating new players to clubs? FFSA need to put serious effort into building up these clubs junior structures. Not to neglect the rest of the clubs but in reality the healthier the top end is the flow down will benefit other clubs.
Have 12 Prem teams with the top 6 clubs playing each other twice and the lower 6 once, the reverse with the bottom 6 playing each twice and the top 6 once.
Instantly evens up the competition, creates more teams, without the weaker ones having to play the top teams too often.
If the a team is good enough it will win through.
If a lower 6 side finishes in top 6 after a season then they go into top end draw.
If it is evening up then a home and way draw could come into affect but in the meantime even with a promotion relegation earlier than 2 years it means a team coming is more competative cause it has less games against the established strong Prem sides.
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im sorry but that doesnt make the prem league any stronger. just makes it unfair. if they wanna be in prems everyone should play everyone. theres nothing wrong with a 7 team prem league. game this year have been quality and the top 4 teams are going to be in the running for the league title until the end
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"...unfair"..AFL have uneven rounds and they seem to be in a healthier position than Women's soccer in SA at present...gubs wrote:im sorry but that doesnt make the prem league any stronger. just makes it unfair.
if they wanna be in prems everyone should play everyone. theres nothing wrong with a 7 team prem league. game this year have been quality
and the top 4 teams are going to be in the running for the league title until the end
"...7 team prem league"....maybe sustainable maybe not, make it 6 ...then 5?
"...quality"??
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I think the PL MUST have more teams in it.
I don't agree with the quality that gubs talks about here, I have seen some games but I don't think the quality is better than other times. Sorry. playing each other so many times is a joke and eventually very boring. And then, like others say, it means that next year it's gonna be a 6 teams league or even 5...Cumberland are already having serious difficulties! I heard that an important player of them left them for another club and others will probably follow. So what is that club supposed to do? Stay in the Prems and become the new flogging club of the competition? Players who can play at top level don't want to stay in weak teams (with some exceptions of course), we all know that.
Can clubs have their U17s as Reserves perhaps? Maybe like that older reserves would have to go to other Prem clubs (like C'town, Para Hills, Toros, Flinders, you name it) and they could have decent teams. Is it just my opinion, or most clubs have very young reserve sides anyway? Many Prem players are still U17 if you look at it, so the reserves being young it shouldn't be a problem.
I think more clubs (maybe 9 or 10, just like it used to be...) would make the league better.
I don't agree with the quality that gubs talks about here, I have seen some games but I don't think the quality is better than other times. Sorry. playing each other so many times is a joke and eventually very boring. And then, like others say, it means that next year it's gonna be a 6 teams league or even 5...Cumberland are already having serious difficulties! I heard that an important player of them left them for another club and others will probably follow. So what is that club supposed to do? Stay in the Prems and become the new flogging club of the competition? Players who can play at top level don't want to stay in weak teams (with some exceptions of course), we all know that.
Can clubs have their U17s as Reserves perhaps? Maybe like that older reserves would have to go to other Prem clubs (like C'town, Para Hills, Toros, Flinders, you name it) and they could have decent teams. Is it just my opinion, or most clubs have very young reserve sides anyway? Many Prem players are still U17 if you look at it, so the reserves being young it shouldn't be a problem.
I think more clubs (maybe 9 or 10, just like it used to be...) would make the league better.
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both games against the same team (campbelltown), who are the weak link in the premier league. The AFL is different. Their draw is done at the start of the season and it is done with all teams. It isnt divided into top 8 and bottom 8. Everyone is involved in the draw and too bad if u play a hard team twice.
Top 4 teams are all held together by 2 or 3 points. Only one result from the 6 games played between the top 4 sides after the first round. speaks for itself really
Top 4 teams are all held together by 2 or 3 points. Only one result from the 6 games played between the top 4 sides after the first round. speaks for itself really
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What I said was the AFL draw was uneven they don't play each other twice. I'm suggesting for Prem league 6 and 6 draw to assist its development for a short term solution.gubs wrote:both games against the same team (campbelltown), who are the weak link in the premier league. The AFL is different. Their draw is done at the start of the season and it is done with all teams. It isnt divided into top 8 and bottom 8. Everyone is involved in the draw and too bad if u play a hard team twice.
Top 4 teams are all held together by 2 or 3 points. Only one result from the 6 games played between the top 4 sides after the first round. speaks for itself really
Gubs, I have no problem with you bagging mine or any other suggestion but I've looked through the posts and can't find any alternative from you.
"Top 4 teams held together by 2 or 3 points..." Great lets cut Prem to 4 teams... that will help! not
Lets hear some suggestions on how to improve the leagues overall and the Prems especially how to bridge the gap of Prems and other grades.
Teams like ours who have aspirations for Premier only see it getting further away....
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I know it could be messy to begin with, teams getting flogged,
but with the “right structure” in place you have to let it run it’s course. This could take 2, 3 maybe 5 seasons but imagine in 10 years time, we could be playing soccer in a very sound, competitive and enjoyable environment.
Not everyone is going to be happy and we shouldn’t be hung up on trying to get “all teams” playing at the same level of competitiveness. It doesn’t happen. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a few points separating a League Champion and the teams relegated. That’s the nature of the beast.
Can yo imagine a team being promoted to the EPL telling the FA “Nah, we don’t want to be promoted because we don’t believe we can beat Chelsea. It will be embarrassing to our players and supporters. It’s just not fair”
but with the “right structure” in place you have to let it run it’s course. This could take 2, 3 maybe 5 seasons but imagine in 10 years time, we could be playing soccer in a very sound, competitive and enjoyable environment.
Not everyone is going to be happy and we shouldn’t be hung up on trying to get “all teams” playing at the same level of competitiveness. It doesn’t happen. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a few points separating a League Champion and the teams relegated. That’s the nature of the beast.
Can yo imagine a team being promoted to the EPL telling the FA “Nah, we don’t want to be promoted because we don’t believe we can beat Chelsea. It will be embarrassing to our players and supporters. It’s just not fair”
Re: Where to now for the FFSA and more to the point Womens footb
I think this is a real risk if the league keeps getting managed this way. A super league of 6 or 4 or 4 teams doesn't take clubs anywhere. Maybe there should be many clubs and then playoffs, that's another alternative...top teams do playoffs, bottom ones do playouts with top D1 teams?AWA wrote: "Top 4 teams held together by 2 or 3 points..." Great lets cut Prem to 4 teams... that will help! not
Lets hear some suggestions on how to improve the leagues overall and the Prems especially how to bridge the gap of Prems and other grades.
Teams like ours who have aspirations for Premier only see it getting further away....
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I agree the league did change the reserve competition two seasons a go but this seemed to be rushed in with most clubs unaware of what was happening.
Gubs I agree we need a reserve competition however the strengh of this competition should not take away fro mthe progression of the FFSA which some would argue that this is hapening eg the reserves is the second competition therefore and therefore talent not at 'other clubs' which would help make a better competition.
I can and do see both sides of this arguement and this is why we ned to seriously look at it. Not for my club or your club or any club but for the competition. Simular to the AFL teams in Adelaide not having a reserve team, they have spread the talent.
I also think this season that most of the prems teams have had good competition but some haven't and to be fair if you asked some clubs whether they would stay div 1 or go up to prems they would probably say stay, Why? they don't want to e the whipping team, hence why we need to increase the comp to spread the eveness of this competition and hopefully get stronger teams across the board.
Just a thought
Adelaidepie Julian
Gubs I agree we need a reserve competition however the strengh of this competition should not take away fro mthe progression of the FFSA which some would argue that this is hapening eg the reserves is the second competition therefore and therefore talent not at 'other clubs' which would help make a better competition.
I can and do see both sides of this arguement and this is why we ned to seriously look at it. Not for my club or your club or any club but for the competition. Simular to the AFL teams in Adelaide not having a reserve team, they have spread the talent.
I also think this season that most of the prems teams have had good competition but some haven't and to be fair if you asked some clubs whether they would stay div 1 or go up to prems they would probably say stay, Why? they don't want to e the whipping team, hence why we need to increase the comp to spread the eveness of this competition and hopefully get stronger teams across the board.
Just a thought
Adelaidepie Julian
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Re: Where to now for the FFSA and more to the point Womens footb
Who decides on the structure. Who makes the decisions to not have reserves and then we have reserves. Is there consultation or is it that decisions are made because of personal ideas and preferences. ?????
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I believe there maybe some consultation but not enough and most of the decisions are being made by the prems teams as they attend the delegates meetings more than other clubs (no disrespect) to other clubs there.
Adelaidepie Julian
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Re: Where to now for the FFSA and more to the point Womens footb
Any changes are too late. Shifting deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Here’s another twist to this subject.
You got to coach the teams to the Premier Division.
I’ve seen teams play from all the divisions, Prems down to 5th. When teams are coached properly, (advanced techniques and tactical all the way down to developmental), players having commitment and dedication, positive attitudes to going out there and doing their best, this is where there is growth as individuals and as a team occurs.
What I’m getting at is this……..I’ve seen teams play with not a lot of skill, but with a lot enthusiasm and having a lot of fun. Their coaches must be congratulated for instilling this into the players mindset. Players who are have fun and enjoy playing, who are being encouraged and given constructive criticism, learn and grow quick as individuals and as a team.
I’ll give an example , Game of the Month on fri, the first game.
…………not to point the finger to put them down but just to make a point here.
One team came out as a group. One came out in dribs and drabs.
One team played soccer, had a plan, played consistently throughout. One kicked the ball and chased it, no plan, lacked ideas.
When the game was over, one team warmed down, did stretches while the coach spoke to the players. One team ended up with a few of the players racing each other.
I don’t know what the coach must have been thinking about this, or was he thinking about this at all.
They were like a bunch of girls let loose at a Justin Bieber concert……no control.
And I’m sitting in the stand and actually feeling embarrassed.
I don’t think it’s entirely the FFSA fault the gap between teams is so large. But they are accountable to some degree.
Am I asking too much.
You got to coach the teams to the Premier Division.
I’ve seen teams play from all the divisions, Prems down to 5th. When teams are coached properly, (advanced techniques and tactical all the way down to developmental), players having commitment and dedication, positive attitudes to going out there and doing their best, this is where there is growth as individuals and as a team occurs.
What I’m getting at is this……..I’ve seen teams play with not a lot of skill, but with a lot enthusiasm and having a lot of fun. Their coaches must be congratulated for instilling this into the players mindset. Players who are have fun and enjoy playing, who are being encouraged and given constructive criticism, learn and grow quick as individuals and as a team.
I’ll give an example , Game of the Month on fri, the first game.
…………not to point the finger to put them down but just to make a point here.
One team came out as a group. One came out in dribs and drabs.
One team played soccer, had a plan, played consistently throughout. One kicked the ball and chased it, no plan, lacked ideas.
When the game was over, one team warmed down, did stretches while the coach spoke to the players. One team ended up with a few of the players racing each other.
I don’t know what the coach must have been thinking about this, or was he thinking about this at all.
They were like a bunch of girls let loose at a Justin Bieber concert……no control.
And I’m sitting in the stand and actually feeling embarrassed.
I don’t think it’s entirely the FFSA fault the gap between teams is so large. But they are accountable to some degree.
Am I asking too much.
Re: Where to now for the FFSA and more to the point Womens footb
I disagree (obviously!) with BtK.
I think changes are necessary and if the right changes are made and maintained the game will benefit.
But ppl also want to know if the FFSA actually cares about girl's/women's football or if for them the girls are just a money making thing. This is the impression so far. The bosses don't care and the others run it like a private things looking out for mates and re-shuffling decisions, rules etc to suit themselves. There are only too many examples of this and they keep happening.
But it's pointless just saying that nothing will ever change. Hopefully something will change and this sport will actually be run more professionally.
I think changes are necessary and if the right changes are made and maintained the game will benefit.
But ppl also want to know if the FFSA actually cares about girl's/women's football or if for them the girls are just a money making thing. This is the impression so far. The bosses don't care and the others run it like a private things looking out for mates and re-shuffling decisions, rules etc to suit themselves. There are only too many examples of this and they keep happening.
But it's pointless just saying that nothing will ever change. Hopefully something will change and this sport will actually be run more professionally.
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Bad Egg wrote:
But ppl also want to know if the FFSA actually cares about girl's/women's football or if for them the girls are just a money making thing.
Is that why the girls fees went down by alot this year, while the boys fees went up.
i think this was to bring them in line for the same aged players either male or female, even though 5000 boys play and only 1000 girls play, im sure they would run on different budgets, so why the boys pay the same as the girls is beyond me. the boys should be paying less due to the amount of players playing.
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Bad Egg you disagree with BTK, he has commented only in less words.
I go back to comments I made earlier. After looking to see how many clubs right back through the Divisions there are approx 15 clubs North of Gepps Cross but no Premier League Club/Team.
People on this forum won't like this statement maybe some will, SAWSA/FFSA have introduced to many Clubs into the Association, with disregard to the clubs already there. Fine if one wants quantity not quality.
No Premier League Clubs North of Gepps Cross (despite about 15 clubs in lower divisions)
No Premier League Club South of the hill, Go Panthers I say and get promoted. (with due respect to other DIV 1 Teams.)
The FFSA and clubs in the North should act in the best interests of Womens Football and sort this anomoly out.
I go back to comments I made earlier. After looking to see how many clubs right back through the Divisions there are approx 15 clubs North of Gepps Cross but no Premier League Club/Team.
People on this forum won't like this statement maybe some will, SAWSA/FFSA have introduced to many Clubs into the Association, with disregard to the clubs already there. Fine if one wants quantity not quality.
No Premier League Clubs North of Gepps Cross (despite about 15 clubs in lower divisions)
No Premier League Club South of the hill, Go Panthers I say and get promoted. (with due respect to other DIV 1 Teams.)
The FFSA and clubs in the North should act in the best interests of Womens Football and sort this anomoly out.