Junior Players going abroad

[ballmaster]

Apparently Goalkeeper John Hall currently playing for Cumberland United U16A was signed up by West Ham United in England. How comes that our young talented players are getting opportunities oversees but not even been considered to be good enough to be selected for state teams or SASI. Is there an issue with selection process or rather who you know than how good you are to be selected?

I personally wish John Hall and any other player who makes it overses all he best in their future carrier oversees. Shame if these local talents are not be picked here in SA.

[grumbly]

State team selection seemes to be based on whose academy you attend........
and height plays a part over talent...

Just a few personal observations

[prefly]

And who your dad is......... but maybe the best one, what half of the year you were born in.

[Bresciano]

State team selection seemes to be based on whose academy you attend........
and height plays a part over talent...

Just a few personal observations

They dont come much taller than John. Great goalkeeper - the difference when we played his team

[Wild Eagle]

Great talent, also apparently an excellent tennis player. The father wasn't too interested in development programs over here as he always wanted John to tryout in England.
Only weak point was a bit of inconsistency, some incredible games and some others not quite so good (maybe improved this aspect, wouldn't know).

[RG BARGE]

I agree with Grumbly and Prefly, after seeing the process first hand.
The process prefers taller and early born kids rather than kids with established foot work, hand work and ballskills.
Maybe this is why S.A doesn't often figure with under age keepers at a national level.

[robinfriday10]

[quote="RG BARGE"]I agree with Grumbly and Prefly, after seeing the process first hand.
The process prefers taller and early born kids rather than kids with established foot work, hand work and ballskills.
Maybe this is why S.A doesn't often figure with under age keepers at a national level.

dont agree with these comments about which acadamy you go to as with initial state selection there were 4 keepers chosen and there didnt appear any bias and over time the best have been recruited and stayed or have been a part of it from the starting process. and yes i've also seen the process and have a son who went through it succesfully til 13/14. John Hall is a good keeper, but he is nearly as tall as domenic Lloyd and Solari and they are the standouts in this age group. Have seen the best in this age group this year and Solari is of high standard with Domenic not far behind. The best keepers at age 15 need to be playing minimum of U/19s to be considered around the mark. The state keper coaches from over the years Tate/Henderson did a good job and i know the improvement from their work. Paul Izzo also from this state team( tho played up a year) is of high standard and now at AIS. I was surprised John never went to state?

Good luck to John he is a good keeper, but like the lad from croyden/riverland(forgot his name, but he was sapsasa but no state) he ended up at Hull, and also the lad from campbelltown that went to spain after getting cut from sasi? there is plenty of talent in SA in this age group but is it good enough for national selection? doesn't mean its not good enough for overseas junior acadamies. Won't be surprised if at least one more from this age group goes abroad before long .reading another topic about NSW Project 22 would suggest other states are doing things a bit better and cheaper

[White Hart Lane]

I agree with Grumbly and Prefly, after seeing the process first hand.
The process prefers taller and early born kids rather than kids with established foot work, hand work and ballskills.
Maybe this is why S.A doesn't often figure with under age keepers at a national level.

dont agree with these comments about which acadamy you go to as with initial state selection there were 4 keepers chosen and there didnt appear any bias and over time the best have been recruited and stayed or have been a part of it from the starting process. and yes i've also seen the process and have a son who went through it succesfully til 13/14. John Hall is a good keeper, but he is nearly as tall as domenic Lloyd and Solari and they are the standouts in this age group. Have seen the best in this age group this year and Solari is of high standard with Domenic not far behind. The best keepers at age 15 need to be playing minimum of U/19s to be considered around the mark. The state keper coaches from over the years Tate/Henderson did a good job and i know the improvement from their work. Paul Izzo also from this state team( tho played up a year) is of high standard and now at AIS. I was surprised John never went to state?

Good luck to John he is a good keeper, but like the lad from croyden/riverland(forgot his name, but he was sapsasa but no state) he ended up at Hull, and also the lad from campbelltown that went to spain after getting cut from sasi? there is plenty of talent in SA in this age group but is it good enough for national selection? doesn't mean its not good enough for overseas junior acadamies. Won't be surprised if at least one more from this age group goes abroad before long .reading another topic about NSW Project 22 would suggest other states are doing things a bit better and cheaper

Croydon/Riverland Plyaer=Louis. not sure of his last name.
Steve Pepper was the lad from campelltown

[ballmaster]

The Croydon/Riverland players name is Louis Vallelonga. Apparently two years contract with Hull.

[Nice One Cyril]

State team selection seemes to be based on whose academy you attend........
and height plays a part over talent...

Just a few personal observations

Height may be more pertinent for a keeper I suppose, but size and strength has always played a large part in selection for SASI. I am reliably informed however that Tony V has different ideas, and it won't be such a major consideration going forwards. Time will tell.

[structure]

Have seen the U14 State squad and they are very skillful players who play as a team with good structure. From what I've seen height has nothing to do with players in that team.

[oohnanahiya]

Have seen the U14 State squad and they are very skillful players who play as a team with good structure. From what I've seen height has nothing to do with players in that team.

Would have to agree. from what Ive seen they have a good balance of height where it's needed, body strength, skills, poise and temperment through the squad.

[RG BARGE]

The height reference was for keepers not field players.
Apparently there is a directive from the FFA?? that keepers entering elite level programs should have a predicted adult height of 6 ft or greater, verification of adult height via bone scan is required.
With this being a requirement, parents paying for keeper training may be disappointed when their kids go through the state trial process, to be excluded at the last cut due to their predicted adult height.

[gl1968]

i would say scanning players for future my border discrimination so the FFSA must be careful

[Stitch This]

i would say scanning players for future my border discrimination so the FFSA must be careful

Of course it wouldn't be a done anywhere else in the world

[cannavaronesta]

State team selection seemes to be based on whose academy you attend........
and height plays a part over talent...

Just a few personal observations

yes your right, alot of state selection is based on size and height. you have one academy who has fingers in both camps - its about his pocket, not the kids.

Even happens in state sapassa where they ignore talent and pick crap then they wonder why they loose.

Unfortunetley until they are moved or re-educated they will continue to leave out talented players and therefore "they", in turn, will seek outside help.

well done to get into a Uk club, shame about the team but thats a personal preference.

[gl1968]

what i meant if you scan players to determine their potential height and you discard players because of their height and you let them know it may be bordering on discrimination
at my club there are two goalkeeprs even though they are not small but they not overly tall, however i would say they would be two best goalkeepers at the club and that would be including our under 19 keeper.

i think height is important with keepers but i was always taught positioning is just as important if not more important, sure if you really short then you may struggle.

in regards to academys in Adelaide i do not think some are there to help themselves for example one such academy i hear has approched players from other clubs who are in the academy and told them to come to play for him at a particular club