SAASL, FFSA .. latest

mooks1304 · Post by **mooks1304** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:50 am

was told yesterday that the SAASL Clubs were likely to vote to move accross under the umberella of the FFSA?

This is certainly a change of position from what the Clubs felt was in our interest 6 or so months ago.. forgive my ignorance - it's not a discussion i have been involved with in the last 6 months... but is this in fact the case, and if so what has changed?

diegom · Post by **diegom** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:57 am

Apparently the FFSA wants all the soccer governing bodies to fall under the one banner, which is why SASL is to join FFSA. The issues are however that if SAASL is not happy with the FFSA, they can pull out at anytime and not suffer financially. According to my info, whatever the SAASL has on the balance sheet from before they join the FFSA, they will keep and not have to forfeit, ever.
However, whatever they (SAASL) make once wih the FFSA, they will relinquish once they break free.

I think this could a be a good move by saasl, cos then if a player wants to move from a super league or prem league, it will b an easy process as he will be already registered.

mooks1304 · Post by **mooks1304** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:03 am

cheers diogem

I am familiar with the background.. really just interested in knowing if, and why the position of the SAASL clubs has changed.. the SAASL monies would be held in trust? used to fund registration of the SAASL clubs in the new body? just trying to bring myself back up to speed with the discussion..

club man · Post by **club man** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:28 am

MY OPINION, NOT THE CLUBs.

The ffsa will stuff up the Amateur competition, no one at the ffsa has a clue how to run any competition. The ffsa should join the SSASL to see how it is done.The greed of the ffsa and ffa will hurt all clubs,they think the clubs have a bottomless pit of money.

Aldo Serena · Post by **Aldo Serena** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:21 pm

maso pres wrote:MY OPINION, NOT THE CLUBs.

The ffsa will stuff up the Amateur competition, no one at the ffsa has a clue how to run any competition. The ffsa should join the SSASL to see how it is done.The greed of the ffsa and ffa will hurt all clubs,they think the clubs have a bottomless pit of money.

I agree to a certain degree... noone at the FFSA has any idea about organising a competition and I guarantee the amateurs will be at the bottom of the rung after mens, womens and junior comps.

DiegoM, players will not be able to register with dual clubs, i.e. MetroStars and AV Metro. However I do think a centralisation of player registration is great. Hopefully we will also have access to the league all week, rather than only Mon. Wed and Friday.

Exy 06 · Post by **Exy 06** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:09 pm

I was at the Amateur League Presentation Dinner on Friday Night and the league said they were in talks and they were going well. I just think the FFSA are after the SAASL 3/4 million dollars sitting in the bank. there was alot of brown nosing from the FFSA over it.

I don't agree on the merger, not too sure what it would achieve.

I also heard that night that the FFSA have changed there team structures, U19 and U23 is gone, replaced with U18 and Open reserves. This sounds like an excellent idea for the Federation (about 7-8 years too late), not sure what effect it will have the Amateur League. It will strengthen the Federation as the quality experienced fringe players will stick around the clubs instead of going to amateurs, which will have a roll on effect to the younger players coming through as they can use them as mentors.

ManicD · Post by **ManicD** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:03 pm

The FFSA is required to have an amateur competition by the FFA. If SAASL stays seperate it will mean a competing amateur competition will be set up which will hurt the SAASL in the long run. If the amateur money stays in the amateur setup then I think moving across is probably the best thing to do

MegaBonus · Post by **MegaBonus** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:05 pm

Exy 06 Posted: Mon Oct 30,

I just think the FFSA are after the SAASL 3/4 million dollars sitting in the bank. there was alot of brown nosing from the FFSA over it.

can anyone confirm this is the current balance? cause if it is, what the fu#@ is it doing in a bank account???

ive been playing in the saasl since 1988 and can honestly say, im having trouble recalling what the league has done to improve the competition!!!

heres a start

* use some of that money to recruit and train some referees
* if a club is incorporated and has its finances audited, dish out some grants to improve club facilities, pitches, lighting, etc etc
* put on some info sessions to help clubs apply for and gain govt funding
* put on and pay for club coaches to get their coaching licences
* provide every club with 2 or 3 club officials coats/jackets to be worn on match days

the list is endless, as long as it is for the purpose of developing the game and putting something back into the community.

instead we have an old boys club which uses our money to have its agm's on houseboats while sipping on JW black.

club man · Post by **club man** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:52 am

And if the ffsa gets the SAASL money they will be off to EUROPE.Let the ffsa start an Amatuer comp it wont last long, high fees, constant restructuring will suck teams in first year with low fees. Good luck to those who leave the SAASL you will need IT.

jimbo · Post by **jimbo** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:36 pm

MegaBonus wrote:
Exy 06 Posted: Mon Oct 30,

I just think the FFSA are after the SAASL 3/4 million dollars sitting in the bank. there was alot of brown nosing from the FFSA over it.
can anyone confirm this is the current balance? cause if it is, what the fu#@ is it doing in a bank account???

ive been playing in the saasl since 1988 and can honestly say, im having trouble recalling what the league has done to improve the competition!!!

heres a start

* use some of that money to recruit and train some referees
* if a club is incorporated and has its finances audited, dish out some grants to improve club facilities, pitches, lighting, etc etc
* put on some info sessions to help clubs apply for and gain govt funding
* put on and pay for club coaches to get their coaching licences
* provide every club with 2 or 3 club officials coats/jackets to be worn on match days

the list is endless, as long as it is for the purpose of developing the game and putting something back into the community.

instead we have an old boys club which uses our money to have its agm's on houseboats while sipping on JW black.

I agree, the SAASL only has that money because they don't spend any of it on promotion, juniors, player development etc.

The SAASL has not improved the game in any way in 20 years, they are too busy guarding their pile of money.

club man · Post by **club man** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:50 pm

Jimbo get on the SAASL committee and start SPENDING. Show them how to do it.

goal_scorer · Post by **goal_scorer** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:15 pm

should have promotion from sunday to saturday and vice verser.

marooned · Post by **marooned** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:48 pm

Aldo Serena · Post by **Aldo Serena** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:01 pm

marooned wrote:The SAASL committee is a money hoarding feind and should be replaced ASAP. They are so comitted to lining their own pockets its just not funny. They promise you this and they deliver that. We were told if we entered the Fed Cup allowances would be made so we could play catch up matches in the league. This did not happen. We were told if we were to win the Champions of Champions Trophy we would get a substansial cheque from the sponsor and a new set of strips. This did not happen. We were told we would get a prize for coming second in the reserves cup. This did not happen, instead we were told to finalise our account and refer to Alex. Every meeting with the SAASL should be recorded as they backtrack on everything they promise. I once was a firm supporter of this group but now i wouldnt give them the time of day. Cant wait for the next meeting. Oh yes when you invite 700 spectators to a cup final you really should do more for catering rather than leaving it up to three people from Lion to cater for all these people. Amateur you betcha your amateur.

Interesting marooned... I think most of your comments are fair game, but I don't believe the SAASL commitee "line their own pockets". Chicanowski could get a "wage" (in the form of a government grant), but chooses to re-direct the money into the SAASL's coffers.

club man · Post by **club man** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:20 pm

Marooned have you spoken to Alex, supprised if he was to screw your club. Who do we replace these so called money hoarders with ,You and I, THINK NOT. ffsa IS NOT THE WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

marooned · Post by **marooned** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:25 pm

Not you and i Maso Pres and not ffsa either. Just somebody to do the right things.

MegaBonus · Post by **MegaBonus** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:10 pm

no need to replace anyone...just yet. just make them accountable!!!!

Rob Lozza · Post by **Rob Lozza** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:25 pm

Most of you back-yarders are talking shy-te. Maso is right. The current set up is fine. No need for change.

MegaBonus · Post by **MegaBonus** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:49 pm

@ lozza

b4 you accuse me of talking shyte, do you want to respond directly to my concerns?????

i find it offensive that OUR money is being used by others to make a name for themselves.

if those $figures are correct and the league is debt free, even earning 4% in the bank would net them $80,000 a year.

Robbo · Post by **Robbo** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:57 am

Gday boys,

Money always causes fights.

I think the SAASL should blueprint its future plans before doing anything with this money. Think the league is a little lost on where the future lies. I hope the committee is not rushed into any decision this year or next.

It seems to me clubs opinions are not being heard as much as they should. The league needs to make decisions that involve clubs opinions.

The SAASL should put out a survey to all clubs on:
League direction
Improvements for the league
Issues of clubs.

From here the committee would have a better understanding of clubs needs.

However good on the SAASL for putting the league in such a powerful position in the first place. Things could be a lot worse - we could be broke.. like the FFSA!!

I would be very wary of any deal involving other soccer leagues, and would look to support the clubs that helped get the bank balance up in the 1st place, really the league has an obligation to look after its own clubs. Has to be priority over anything else.

Exy 06 · Post by **Exy 06** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:13 pm

Some interesting points.

I don't have a problem with the current guys in the SSASL Board but they all seem to be in there mid 60's, a little old fashion and stale. Once someone has been in a position for a long time, such as many of them have, your ideas can dry up. It's only evolution to let younger, more ambitious people take over. Maybe some young experienced executives (in there 30â€™s and 40â€™s) need to come and work with the current committee to move the SSASL into the future.

No doubt the current committee has done a great job, but itâ€™s time for change and let the X and Y Gens step up.

harryhandsome1 · Post by **harryhandsome1** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:59 pm

Robbo and EXY are near the ball on this, i dont have any history over here but would say that the current committee have put amateur football in a great position and must protect there and member clubs interests. Getting some young blood onto the board would be a good idea but not at the expense of current members. The money is earning interest in the bank maybe they should look at using some of the interest money and reinvest it in refs or clubs,keeping the capital in the bank nice and safe. They would do well to appoint someone with no allegiance to any club this might ensure a fair and equitable management of the money with no self interest.

Rob Lozza · Post by **Rob Lozza** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:48 pm

So who has been lininmg their pockets? Reading this thread, you'd think that the SAASL was holding information from the Clubs. Absolute fucking bollocks. All is revealed at AGMs and whatever meets the SAASL has called over the years, and from personal experience, Bill Bailey, Alex Chick and co have always been more than willing to tell me what's been happening whenever I have asked. the SAASL does not have $700K in cash or whatever the figure is these days. Most of it is tied up in fixed assets. Again, refer to annual statements that are audited and tabled at AGMs. No mysteries or secrets here.

There is nothing to stop any of you X and Y generation humps out there from getting yourself nominated and elected on the committee. I would encourage apart from the fact that it takes a lot of time and effort. As has been the case for the last 40 years, sweet FA have been willing to put their hands up other than those who have been there all these years.

MegaBonus · Post by **MegaBonus** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:59 pm

@ lozza

thanks for addressing my concerns.....not!!!!

Aldo Serena · Post by **Aldo Serena** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:01 am

Rob Lozza wrote:So who has been lininmg their pockets? Reading this thread, you'd think that the SAASL was holding information from the Clubs. Absolute bottle of shiraz bollocks. All is revealed at AGMs and whatever meets the SAASL has called over the years, and from personal experience, Bill Bailey, Alex Chick and co have always been more than willing to tell me what's been happening whenever I have asked. the SAASL does not have $700K in cash or whatever the figure is these days. Most of it is tied up in fixed assets. Again, refer to annual statements that are audited and tabled at AGMs. No mysteries or secrets here.

There is nothing to stop any of you X and Y generation humps out there from getting yourself nominated and elected on the committee. I would encourage apart from the fact that it takes a lot of time and effort. As has been the case for the last 40 years, sweet FA have been willing to put their hands up other than those who have been there all these years.

Fixed assets Rob? From the last set of financials I saw (a couple of years back now), the money was in term deposits... a fairly liquid asset.

I totally agree with Rob... clubs can nominate people for the SAASL committee and incite change if they feel it necessary. However, I still believe the SAASL could re-invest some money back into the clubs to improve infrastructure.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:00 pm

easy to sit back do nothing but whinge.

Unfortuantely there's not enough people willing to actually help out. Personally I've heard the only reason why the SAASL are trying to cash up is because they are fully aware that when the current group decide to call it a day no one will be willing to DONATE their time.

Some time in the near future the running of the SAASL will need to be by paid personal......not cheap.

Jay Walking · Post by **Jay Walking** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:18 pm

I agree with Rob

It is so easy to complain, it is harder to do something about it. The younger generation could get involved if they wanted to but when was the last time someone put their hand up.

The guys at the league have their faults but it is one of the better leagues going around. Look at the Federation, without massive sponsorship from Pickard and Bianco, most of the clubs wouldn't have a comp to play in.

I'm not saying clubs shouldn't be critical and I agree that some money could be reinvested back into clubs but lets not swipe. As far as I know, they are doing it for the love of the game like the rest of us on club committees

Villa Boy · Post by **Villa Boy** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:00 pm

I think if the two federation become 1 body then certain things have to be changed.

1)An integration between All three FFSA leagues and amatuer leagues.
eg: Promotions and relegations. Clubs from amatuer leagues div1 should be able to move up to the FFSA leauges should they win either DIV1 sat or Sun (Provided thy meet financial expectation)

2) An equal amount of money be invested by each of the original leagues to develop South Australian Soccer

Mr X · Post by **Mr X** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:31 pm

Villa Boy wrote:I think if the two federation become 1 body then certain things have to be changed.

1)An integration between All three FFSA leagues and amatuer leagues.
eg: Promotions and relegations. Clubs from amatuer leagues div1 should be able to move up to the FFSA leauges should they win either DIV1 sat or Sun (Provided thy meet financial expectation)

2) An equal amount of money be invested by each of the original leagues to develop South Australian Soccer

Wont hapen as FFA leagues require fences and facilities that most amatuer clubs dont have as they played at council owned public ovals/grounds

Robbo · Post by **Robbo** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:53 pm

Villa Boy wrote:I think if the two federation become 1 body then certain things have to be changed.

1)An integration between All three FFSA leagues and amatuer leagues.
eg: Promotions and relegations. Clubs from amatuer leagues div1 should be able to move up to the FFSA leauges should they win either DIV1 sat or Sun (Provided thy meet financial expectation)

In a dream world, this would be good. Very few clubs could raise the revenue or upgrade facilities.

Benefits of "joining forces"

Ability to sell Grange and re-locating the Amateur league central (ie in/near the city) and playing SAASL finals at Hindmarsh instead of Grange. Think this would make most amateur clubs happy for a start. Maybe even having an office AT Hindmarsh or Santos Stadium.

What else could be a "positive" of such a move?? There has to be positives.