Junior Coach Licencing; is it mandatory?

Jeda · Post by **Jeda** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:25 am

What is policy on Junior Coaches being licenced at Federation clubs?

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:41 pm

Jeda wrote:What is policy on Junior Coaches being licenced at Federation clubs?

I have heard rumours that they do not have to be licensed

In the E&D they do

gunner#14 · Post by **gunner#14** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:13 pm

im not sure about the coaching license, but in some areas i think that the football federation could be improved by following some examples of E & D, because i feel E & D is more organized in some aspects. - ie. licensed referees for juniors.

Jeda · Post by **Jeda** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:29 pm

povman1964 wrote:
Jeda wrote:What is policy on Junior Coaches being licenced at Federation clubs?
I have heard rumours that they do not have to be licensed

In the E&D they do

That's what I heard. I find this surprising though, especially since some clubs use E&D to compare themselves, saying that E&D offers no future for kids.

Jeda · Post by **Jeda** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:31 pm

gunner#14 wrote:im not sure about the coaching license, but in some areas i think that the football federation could be improved by following some examples of E & D, because i feel E & D is more organized in some aspects. - ie. licensed referees for juniors.

Why can E&D organise licenced refs and clubs can't?

I've always been told club football is better, yet most junior games have no refs,

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:24 pm

There are some dedicated souls that run the E&D and they have always been at the forefront of devloping policies that allow the games to run smoothly. I have been a coach for 3 years and we have never not had a licensed ref, we have player id cards so we do not get stuck with overage ringins, and the basic coaching licenses have been in place for a few years as well.

I too find it quite suprising that the FED clubs or whatever it is called now do not have some of these basic policies in place.

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:45 pm

I'm not sure where this topic is heading, is it a question of is butter better than margerine :?
Coaches do have to be licenced to coach juniors in FFSA comps, but the rule has been relaxed due to lack of coarses since the change over from the old federation!
Most junior games do have official refs appart from under 8's and down I believe, but there is a shortage of refs I'd say due to the size of the whole competition!
Not saying fed is better than E&D, as long as kids play football and all their needs a catered for, it doesn't matter, so be it

Karicako · Post by **Karicako** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:02 pm

Hiya Nova,

Actually, you don't have to be a licensed Coach to coach in FFSA comps and/or even in the old SASF days. They backed right off it a number of years ago even when there were courses. I'm not sure why though.

However, there are some clubs that don't allow you to coach unless your licensed. I think this is a good thing.

one nil · Post by **one nil** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:16 pm

Karicako wrote:Hiya Nova,

Actually, you don't have to be a licensed Coach to coach in FFSA comps and/or even in the old SASF days. They backed right off it a number of years ago even when there were courses. I'm not sure why though.

However, there are some clubs that don't allow you to coach unless your licensed. I think this is a good thing.

Coaches DO have to be accredited to coach Juniors. This has been policy for a number of years now. I am definitely 'in the know' on this one.
Bearing in mind the leagl implications of not being accredited while coaching juniors the FFSA would be setting themselves up for all kinds of problems if they had no policy in place. That is why they made these policies.
From what I can remember you need a Junior licence to coach upto U15sand a youth licence to coach upto 17s or 19s.

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:55 pm

Coaches have to have a license but i believe they are allowed a grace period until the next coaching course comes up. I feel all coaches should atleast be accredited with the junior license.

Post by **johnydep** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:26 pm

There are plenty of coaching courses; http://coaching.footballaustralia.com.a ... ome%20Page

BillShankly is right, there is a grace period. But some coaches stretch it out.

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:21 pm

Nova I have been involved in 3 junior fed clubs over the last 3 years and at no time in Under 10's, Under11's or Under 12's have there been any licenced referees at any of these clubs!

We have been lucky if a Dad with a fair amount of knowledge puts their hand up.

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:14 am

Hollygirl wrote:Nova I have been involved in 3 junior fed clubs over the last 3 years and at no time in Under 10's, Under11's or Under 12's have there been any licenced referees at any of these clubs!

We have been lucky if a Dad with a fair amount of knowledge puts their hand up.

Hi Hollygirl,
I'm not sure on that one, it may be a case of up to U11's don't actually play for points and don't require official refs but U12's do and I know they do have official refs!

Jeda · Post by **Jeda** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:41 am

Nova wrote:
Hollygirl wrote:Nova I have been involved in 3 junior fed clubs over the last 3 years and at no time in Under 10's, Under11's or Under 12's have there been any licenced referees at any of these clubs!

We have been lucky if a Dad with a fair amount of knowledge puts their hand up.
Hi Hollygirl,
I'm not sure on that one, it may be a case of up to U11's don't actually play for points and don't require official refs but U12's do and I know they do have official refs!

Hollygirl is right.

Nova, you bring up the question; How is it that E&D can have official refs and Federation Football has to rely on parents?

Anyone know the cost difference of playing in the two different leagues?

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:51 am

Hi Jeda,
I didn't bring up any question, I just answered one!
I'm not sure of your agenda, but if you play in or your kids play in E&D, good luck to you, it's a great organisation, no agument from me!
Like I said, as long as you play football

Jeda · Post by **Jeda** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:56 am

Nova wrote:I'm not sure where this topic is heading, is it a question of is butter better than margerine :?
Coaches do have to be licenced to coach juniors in FFSA comps, but the rule has been relaxed due to lack of coarses since the change over from the old federation!
Most junior games do have official refs appart from under 8's and down I believe, but there is a shortage of refs I'd say due to the size of the whole competition!
Not saying fed is better than E&D, as long as kids play football and all their needs a catered for, it doesn't matter, so be it

I asked because I know some people that go to E&D and they told me that all coaches are licenced, I also know some at clubs and have heard of people coaching with no licence and even changing clubs without a licence.

So far I've learnt that there is no set rule on licenced coaches

Oh well, SA football has gone this far and it's getting bigger, so something must be working

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:18 am

My understanding is that if the club has a coach it is their responsibilty to appoint him if they think he is suitably qualified for the job, they have to decide if they -the club- are prepared to take on a coach without a licence.

It appears that we may have strayed off the point here, E&D have an abundance of referees which is great, Federation CLUBS do not have to provide a referee, the FEDERATION have to. In the event of a no-show by a ref the teams can mutually agree if a parent is acceptable to do the game.

Have had both sons play at E&D and it is a great competition, Federation is a higher level and, as to be expected, a higher price

Value for money

That is only proportionate to the amount of enjoyment the player gets.

Karicako · Post by **Karicako** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:19 am

Hiya Intheknow,

No disrespect intended here but if Junior Coaches do have to be accredited, then the governing of it is disgraceful.

I made my original comment because just like Holygirl, I have experienced the same but with 2 Junior clubs, at U12's and U14's.

I couldn't agree more about your comment of the Legal ramifications, though. It does make you wonder how clubs allow it. Or parents because of the costs associated with Fed clubs.

And before someone asks - I have no agendas. I'm just stating my opinion.

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:29 am

How do get an E&D coaching licence and what are the requirements?

Wild Eagle · Post by **Wild Eagle** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:50 pm

To my knowledge, to be technically allowed to coach at federation level you need the correct Coaching Licence, be it Junior or Youth (structure will change in 2007, but anyway....).

The Federation puts up courses but it is up to the club and the individual coach to ensure that they are properly qualified or are helped to do so.

When I coached, I sought and obtained the necessary qualifications before I started, yet nobody told me or sent me a letter, I looked around and realised that that was what I had to do, so I did it.

Some clubs will not enforce it because there are not enough qualified coaches in relation to the number of teams; it is important that coaches and clubs work to improve themselves, the structures and possibilities are there but collaboration and good faith are essential.

It's never fun to admit you are not properly qualified, and even less fun to go through a course where you, the coach, who is always in charge, are just one amongst many, all of which probably know more than you do (that's how I felt anyway)[/i]

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:42 pm

Nova, I was team manager for an Under 12's fed club last year and we only had a fed ref on one occasion when we played against Raiders. This is a fact.

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:54 pm

Nova the E&D coaches do the same courses as the Fed / FFSA guys.

I did not mean for this to be an Us vs Them topic, I am part of the E&D setup and for me it is a great competition for kids to get involved in and enjoy a competitive game.

The Fed clubs are a step up in quality , certainly at the top level A, and in fact I have watched some of my players step up to Fed and have picked up a few kids in the other direction.

All kids sport is good , all the people involved in making it work are legends (including me

)

good luck to all

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:07 am

Yes Pov, you a legend!

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:27 am

There seems to be a lot of talk about E&D and I have gathered from these sites that this is a comp out North because I read that E&D is Elizabeth and Districts but if you are in the southern or south western there is no other comp except for school. Once the kids hit year 8 if they dont make it into a fed club there is no other comp for them!

Drusetta · Post by **Drusetta** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:14 pm

Schools, amatuer, district (such as E&D) and federation cannot seem to amicably sit around the one table and unify the sport - so they have been doing their own thing for as long as I can remember.
Hollygirl is right - I understand that due to lack of numbers of referees the FFSA can only guarantee qualified ref's for U13 and up (and even then some ref's don't turn up).
Maybe E&D ref's get a better deal (more pocket money and less hassle from parents and coaches!?).
I also understans that there is no shortage of referee's in the women's competitions. Again, could be a relfection of the flack that referee's receive from federation club parents, officials and coaches.
The sad thing is that there is no accountability for referee's or coaches. A referee or coach may be qualified - doesn't mean they're any good unfortunately.
Maybe a simple feedback form completed by parents and players - direct from/to the federation may go some way to improving the officials in the game. Then the good ones can be rewarded somehow.

Just a thought.

Karicako · Post by **Karicako** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:33 pm

Hey Drusetta,

A feedback form could an excellent idea.

It may take some "working" to produce an effective tool that clubs/FFSA could realistically use but a great idea all the same.

One positive spin could be to highlight the development of players rather than the win at all cost outlook that some Coaches/Clubs may take.

GrumpyFella · Post by **GrumpyFella** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:05 am

I have noticed that the southern clubs seem to have refs most of the time. Apparently they use Noarlunga federation for their refs.

Guess the cost of refs may be an issue for some clubs although I dont believe there is any justification for not trying to get independant refs wherever possible. Some parents & coaches will never be happy no matter how a ref performs.

Win at all costs mentality has a lot to answer for. No refs (whether a parent or independant) = No game. Interesting to note that when kids are trialling whether for clubs or zone etc and a game is held , then there are no refs yet there never seems to be any disputes as to whose ball it is !

Jeda · Post by **Jeda** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:46 pm

Spoke to someone about this last night and found out that there has been a mad rush for coaching courses and there all full.

Are all the applicants from Federation Clubs? Don't know.

Reading all the posts and talking to a few people, it should be compulsory .
There are legal implications involved; parents can blame the coach and/or club for poor, misdirected techniques which cause loss of potential opportunities, etc.

Maybe the grace period will cover them

Hope all you coaches are booked into a course

Vagrant · Post by **Vagrant** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:34 am

Accreditiation does not make a coach - I've seen accredited "coaches" that have no idea. Spoke to one after doing a course where he "knew it all" and it "was a waste of time" So you will never weed out the idiots...

Even so, accreditation is important to get as many as possible onto the same page.

Wild Eagle · Post by **Wild Eagle** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:10 pm

Coaching Accreditations are very important.

What you learn is 'how' to teach, not 'what' to teach.

The instructors ensure you learn efficient, non threatening and safe learning teaching skills.

The rest, football knowledge, is part what you know and part what you learn, as a player, a coach, an enthusiast etc.

Dedication makes you a coach, accreditation allows you to do so legally at certain levels.

I guess most people that get into coaching are people that feel they have the answers, but if you don't ask yourself the uncomfortable questions you will not learn much.

I, for one, would like to say all the coaching courses have been instrumental in my coaching career, and I can't wait to do more.

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