FFSA v SAASL: Where to from here?

[Jay Walking]

I have to do this quickly as I'm busy

After the nightmare of the David Orange Memorial game and other similar events, where to from here for the merger process. Both parties have dug in with the FFSA now not speaking to the SAASL at all in regards to any matter.

What can be done to finish the deadlock and have all parties in South Australia Football pulling the same way. Is approaching the FFA the right way to go? Brining the media's attention to the issue to force both parties to come to a resolution.

What arrangement do FFSA clubs and SAASL clubs (the most important groups in this discussions as the boards only act in our interest) want that we could agree to and move forward. Everyone would agree that the current situation MUST STOP!!!

[Left Right Out]

I have to do this quickly as I'm busy

After the nightmare of the David Orange Memorial game and other similar events, where to from here for the merger process. Both parties have dug in with the FFSA now not speaking to the SAASL at all in regards to any matter.

What can be done to finish the deadlock and have all parties in South Australia Football pulling the same way. Is approaching the FFA the right way to go? Brining the media's attention to the issue to force both parties to come to a resolution.

What arrangement do FFSA clubs and SAASL clubs (the most important groups in this discussions as the boards only act in our interest) want that we could agree to and move forward. Everyone would agree that the current situation MUST STOP!!!

Media attention
Open house meeting (Meaning anyone can attend and ask questions - with a set agenda)

BUT Jay before this happens we need to get an official statement from BOTH sides. Ive coached and played in the Federation and Amateurs so I hear different stories EVERY DAY. Ive heard the FFSA wants the $$ in the bank and then to charge EVERY CLUB a $5 fee on top of registration. Ive heard the Amateur League didnt respond to correspondance, Ive heard that the FFSA didnt attend a meeting the SAASL organised. So instead of arguing over who is going run the show, what happens to the money in the bank, what will we be called etc. Lets look at the positives and what we need to change to reach the final target...Unified soccer in SA. Its time to put EGO's aside and move

[Mr X]

It all comes down to the $$ in the SAASL bank in essence,

what should happen to that cash?

are long standing established clubs entitled to the majority as opposed to new clubs?

This topic is growing because the FFSA is stopping 'trial / practice matches' between amatuer and federation clubs occuring.

[Ollo Ollo]

It all comes down to the $$ in the SAASL bank in essence,

what should happen to that cash?

are long standing established clubs entitled to the majority as opposed to new clubs?

This topic is growing because the FFSA is stopping 'trial / practice matches' between amatuer and federation clubs occuring.

They are trial games, what is the big issues? There are plenty of other SAASL clubs to play.

Is there any point in merging? Someone please give a good reason for the merger besides the good of the game.

Can anyone confirm if the amateur Footy is merged with the SANFL? If not, they seem to operate fine.

[Robbo]

The SAASL could always take the FFSA to court, we know who has the most resources

A better option would be to go over FFSA heads and approach the FFA. This Michael Carter bloke is holding back football in this state.

Media coverage on such an issue would severley dent the FFSA's planned 14 million Gepps Cross development

[Kitchimo]

Over one trial game?
The good question asked above is what does each party (FFSA and SAASL) have to gain from a 'merger' or even a 'coming under the FFSA banner' ?

[Fresh Football]

The SAASL could always take the FFSA to court, we know who has the most resources

A better option would be to go over FFSA heads and approach the FFA. This Michael Carter bloke is holding back football in this state.

Media coverage on such an issue would severley dent the FFSA's planned 14 million Gepps Cross development

You can start by bringing the topic up on the local football shows like The World Football Show on RPH Adelaide, Saturday Soccer show on RTI or Talking Football Sunday mornings on Coast FM...

[taffarel]

Just out of curiosity. Why are there two different bodies organising football competitions in South Australia? Has it always been like that? I mean, there is only one body in VIC looking after state and amateur league and, apparently, the same happens in NSW.

[Kitchimo]

Just out of curiosity. Why are there two different bodies organising football competitions in South Australia? Has it always been like that? I mean, there is only one body in VIC looking after state and amateur league and, apparently, the same happens in NSW.

Power corrupts.

[DOC]

money is a big issue as saasl have more than ffsa, ffsa wanted clubs to join the metro league and tacc on another $5 charge for every player rego in order to gain some funds, while the insurance looked more suspect than the proven system the saasl have used for years

also saasl froze rego fees for a few years while ffsa could not garauntee this

there is also which clubs would get preferential treatment as both organisations have well established clubs...

its more than just one friendly, its every friedly and robs amateur league clubs from testing themsleves against fed opposition while the feds know they will get a good competitive trial game from a saasl club, plus the funds which can be generated from these fixtures as well

[Cobweb]

Why can't the SAASL step outside and go direct to FFA? as I believe the NSW Amateurs do?

[Kitchimo]

money is a big issue as saasl have more than ffsa, ffsa wanted clubs to join the metro league and tacc on another $5 charge for every player rego in order to gain some funds, while the insurance looked more suspect than the proven system the saasl have used for years

also saasl froze rego fees for a few years while ffsa could not garauntee this

there is also which clubs would get preferential treatment as both organisations have well established clubs...

its more than just one friendly, its every friedly and robs amateur league clubs from testing themsleves against fed opposition while the feds know they will get a good competitive trial game from a saasl club, plus the funds which can be generated from these fixtures as well

The SAASL system is not "insurance", it's merely dipping into the funds that they have and providing $200 as income protection to those that "can't work". It's not going to pay for your hospital bills, ambulance fees, or provide full income protection et al.

Why can't the SAASL step outside and go direct to FFA? as I believe the NSW Amateurs do?

The Crawford Report recommended that the FFA deal solely with one football administrative body in each state. In SA, that is the FFSA, and that has been the FFSA's line in this for the whole time.

No-one has answered my questions yet.

[marooned]

he SAASL system is not "insurance", it's merely dipping into the funds that they have and providing $200 as income protection to those that "can't work". It's not going to pay for your hospital bills, ambulance fees, or provide full income protection et al.

Wrong all bills including ambulance costs are covered. Full income protection is not even covered by Workcover anymore, players,workers and any one that ventures outdoors should cover themselves for this rare occurance.

[Kitchimo]

he SAASL system is not "insurance", it's merely dipping into the funds that they have and providing $200 as income protection to those that "can't work". It's not going to pay for your hospital bills, ambulance fees, or provide full income protection et al.

Wrong all bills including ambulance costs are covered. Full income protection is not even covered by Workcover anymore, players,workers and any one that ventures outdoors should cover themselves for this rare occurance.

Well the 5 people that I had in the program last year were denied access to those costs by Bob Cox, Accident Fund Manager.

I still don't see any benefit for the SAASL in joining the FFSA under its current administration.

[swannsong]

Well the 5 people that I had in the program last year were denied access to those costs by Bob Cox, Accident Fund Manager.

I still don't see any benefit for the SAASL in joining the FFSA under its current administration.

Access to which funds Kitchimo.....at the AGM it was stated that the SAASL paid out (from memory) $8000 (or higher) on ambulance fees !
I guess we can argue about the politics and benefits but this whole thing is about "common sense" or basic morality.
The "vibe" is all wrong !

[Kitchimo]

Well the 5 people that I had in the program last year were denied access to those costs by Bob Cox, Accident Fund Manager.

I still don't see any benefit for the SAASL in joining the FFSA under its current administration.

Access to which funds Kitchimo.....at the AGM it was stated that the SAASL paid out (from memory) $8000 (or higher) on ambulance fees !
I guess we can argue about the politics and benefits but this whole thing is about "common sense" or basic morality.
The "vibe" is all wrong !

The same funds everyone else gets. I'll bring it up with Bob next time I'm down there.

In terms of the 'vibe', of course common sense would dictate unified leadership of the sport, but as stated, I see no benefit to the SAASL in joining the FFSA under its current administration, and haven't yet been offered a credible alternate viewpoint.

[swannsong]

In using the term "vibe" I was referring to "political" interference in SAASL v FFSA games being played.
Many SAASL and FFSA Clubs have had good relationships in the past despite their two associations not being so co-operative.
This current decision (and previous decisions of this nature) is intentionally divisive and designed only to try and create division between the two entities.
Ironically, it may have the opposite effect and unify the code in SA under a different banner

[marooned]

little birdie told me Modbury were fined $1000 for playing Florina.

[DOC]

little birdie told me Modbury were fined $1000 for playing Florina.

thats a joke if they did, obviously ffsa need money more than we thought

[beancounter]

Just a thought to enable the charity games at least... can they stop a player playing for or against an "invitation side" with two teams created (and insured etc) just for the event, but no official affiliation?

[legga]

lets all get a link to the feds email site or our endearing Mr Carters and start bomb barding his office with legitimate questions, get bobby and sandra orange on today tonight and show the people out there what this organisation is all about. Everyone get on to their local councillors and mayors of salisbury and playford, start a media guerilla war on these biffs. From my experience with local govt the louder the wheel squeaks the quicker they are to fix it. It is also an election year at the city of playford this year so the councillors will bend over backwards [like the lads at florina] . If the amatuer league clubs stick together we can show these biffs who has the stronger and more viable league. If this fails we can always pay the lads at the vale a couple of sticks of the old bunger to pay him a visit..

[redfred]

with the ffa pumping 4 mill into burton soccer park, i'd be surprised if sal council would help. amateur comp more appreciative of common sense, and does have the best interest of the sport at heart

[Cobweb]

Hey Kitch,
the Crawford report is just that, a report that comes with recommendations, not laws that must be obeyed.

As to my original post re this and the SAASL, why doesn't the SAASL make itself the superior body with FFSA having to bow at the knees?

[Kitchimo]

Hey Kitch,
the Crawford report is just that, a report that comes with recommendations, not laws that must be obeyed.

As to my original post re this and the SAASL, why doesn't the SAASL make itself the superior body with FFSA having to bow at the knees?

Because the FFA only recognises the FFSA.

[The Kop]

After the restructure of the FFA, the FFSA (and all state federations) were initially interim member associations of the FFA. There is a deadline - I believe it is 2012 but I may be wrong - to have all the house in order (everyone under the same banner) to become a permanent member of the FFA. Apart from the obvious, permanent members elect someone to the FFA board to represent SA.

It is my understanding, if the tie up with SAASL remains unfinalised by the deadline the FFSA will continue to being an interim member. Hence the hard ass attitude and the take no prisoners approach from the FFSA.


re the Crawford report, barely 1/4 of the recomendations have been - or are planned to be - undertaken.
Not worth the paper its printed on.

[chunky-monkey]

Can't understand how the Flornina vs Modbury game and Adelaide Villa vs Northern Demons on friday night can be played yet Salisbury vs Downs is not..!

[ManCityMan]

The SAASL system is not "insurance", it's merely dipping into the funds that they have and providing $200 as income protection to those that "can't work". It's not going to pay for your hospital bills, ambulance fees, or provide full income protection et al.

Thats all insurance is - a big pot of money that everyone contributes to that is payed out to those that need it after an unforseen accident / occurance. Thats how you car insurance works, life insurance, house insurance works. The pot of money is called an insurer, which do nothing except negotiate premiums for people who want cover, and pay out claims.

[marooned]

If the club does the right thing and puts the correct info on the team sheets and follows the proceedure put in place by the underwriter, whoever that my be, then claims will be paid. Same as any insurer, the more info provided the quicker the process.

As far as some peoples thoughts on FFSA and SAASL merging to benifit the game. I still cant see why. That like saying merging Coles and Woolies is good for the benifit of the retaill market. Long term cost will rise, services would deminish, steamlining would kill off numbers. Competition is good . Greed is not good. A mandate to govern is good. depending on who is going to govern. Pol Pot and Hitler had a mandate. Took a long time to recover from their kind of mandate. They enforced rules that no one liked yet to speak up was to be punished or worse. Similar to FFSA regulations and non disruptive agreements all Fed clubs had to sign.

[marooned]

If the Crawford report said the SANFL a broke government subsidised org should run the AFL a well run debt free org, then im sure there would be many a complaint lodged and uproar amongst football communitiees as to how stupid a move this would be. Benifit to the game? I dont think so. Mr Carter you are there to oversee football and promote the game in this state. You have done none of these. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

[DOC]

If the Crawford report said the SANFL a broke government subsidised org should run the AFL a well run debt free org, then im sure there would be many a complaint lodged and uproar amongst football communitiees as to how stupid a move this would be. Benifit to the game? I dont think so. Mr Carter you are there to oversee football and promote the game in this state. You have done none of these. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

no wonder sanfl don't want to loise aami is its their only valuable asset, as the clubs are broke the need to skim off the afl clubs takings, do peop[le want the ffsa coming in, ruling with an iron fist saying pay this, give me that, were poor we need this... club profits would drop and clubs would struggle, rego fees would go up just to cover the astronomical ffsa fees