Provisional League Structure 2010

[gooner4life]

Div 4 wasn't a C league. Div 5 and 6 were.

So how could a team from Div 4 get relegated to Div 5(C team) league? And thus invoke the no two teams from the same club Policy?

The End result being that a side that finished in 7th in Div 3 now will play in Div 2

This makes no sense it doesn't matter how many teams they have, you at Iggies have loads and so do Flinders.

Who said anything about anybody getting relegated from Div 4?

The point is, if one of (or both) AU (2) and AU (3) both get relegated THIS year, what will the SAASL do about having two AU "First and Reserve" teams in the same division? It's almost like they are guaranteed a spot.

Agreed!!

I was asking why the two teams in one leauge rule would apply? If it's about player numbers and Adelaide Uni wanting to enter an extra side, then a guaranteed spot has already been granted.

As it seems thay have already started down that road with this descison, By promoting all the Adelaide Uni side so that they can play 8 teams.

If they have extra players for another team (1 more than last year) they should have a team in Div 5 and Div 6. That would work out to be the same number of teams as having 4 A and B teams, and not force a stupid promotion. If the players are of quality then their Div 3 side would have benefited and perhaps got promoted this season. How does just by having enough players to field 4 A and B teams justify that those teams must be in Divisions 1-4 when there are 6 available divisions to play in on Saturday??

This way just makes a mockery out of the whole promotion and relegation system.

[Kitchimo]

Glad to see we got there eventually

[Jay Walking]

Have to admit, I'm completely lost. There should be A's B's C's, D's etc. If your C or D team wins, they shouldn't necessarily get promoted as they are third and fourth string teams.

[Kitchimo]

Have to admit, I'm completely lost. There should be A's B's C's, D's etc. If your C or D team wins, they shouldn't necessarily get promoted as they are third and fourth string teams.

Adelaide Uni have four 'First and Reserves' teams in the Saturday Divisions this year. Last year, they had three, with one team in the 'C' league.

They have obviously gained players this year for their SAASL operation, as they have nominated 8 teams.

The SAASL have put an Adelaide Uni 'First and Reserve' team in each of the 4 Saturday 'First and Reserve' divisions.

However, last year Adelaide Uni (2) finished 7th out of 9 teams (one team was suspended for threatening a referee) in Division 3, and Adelaide Uni (3) finished 7th out of 8 teams. Hence, AU(2) and AU(3) had no right to be promoted.

However, the SAASL has put these teams into those divisions to avoid having, say, an AU(3) play an AU(4) in Division 4. This would mean that when they play each other, the AU "Es" play the AU "Gs", and the AU "Fs" play the AU "Hs". There is also the need to remove the potential for collusion. There is a SAASL rule to prevent this situation from occuring, and also common sense dictates that it shouldn't happen.

So, AU(2) and AU(3) have been promoted at the expense of more deserving clubs. Cougars in Division 3 finished 3rd and should be promoted (as Burundi jumped ship), and ACU Falcons in Division 4 finished 4th (Simba of Congo jumped ship, Pumas and Murray Bridge have already been moved up) and should be promoted.

What should have happened is that AU(2) and AU(3) stayed where they are, and AU(4) becomes two teams in the 'C' divisions.

The obvious problem occurs this year when, if going by 2009 results and final league standings, AU(2) and/or AU(3) get relegated. There will definitely be two AU 'First and Reserve' teams in the same division (either Div 3 or Div 4). What does the SAASL do then? The implication made by the way they have gone about it this year is that AU has a guaranteed 'First and Reserves' slot in each Saturday division.

[Aldo Serena]

Agree with Jay, but I don't think Adelaide Uni operate this way.

Each one is a separate 'club'. For example, someone playing with Adelaide Uni (1) can not play with Adelaide Uni (4) the next week. Whereas and Ingle Farm 1st team player can play in the C's the next week.

I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

[Die Yuppie Die]

Agree with Jay, but I don't think Adelaide Uni operate this way.

Each one is a separate 'club'. For example, someone playing with Adelaide Uni (1) can not play with Adelaide Uni (4) the next week. Whereas and Ingle Farm 1st team player can play in the C's the next week.

I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

In the cup they would be tied to a team in a particular division but in the league players should be able to move between teams within the club.

[Jay Walking]

Fair enough, thats a lot of players then. Do they not like the idea of having guys move up and down the grades?

[tibbaw]

tibbaw69, I assumed from "I guarantee you former federation players will play" and your certainty that Pirie will smash everyone in the lower divisons you were from that club. Id be interested to know how you can guarantee who will be playing there for sure if you are not involved with them. Either way I stand by my 'my club sh!ts on yours' comment.

Ginger Bread Man, i have no idea what the fk you are on about.

The premise for your argument is both narrow minded and idiotic. I guarantee former fed players will play simply because every single player from the club is not going to leave. All players at that club have played federation. My guarantee comes with about a 99.9% certainty because I have never heard of every single player from a club leaving before. I do not need to be affiliated with the club to see that.

I have played for Pirie before but not for many years, was back in the day when they were a Premier League side (now the Super League). If you have any idea about the standards then it is pretty safe to assume Pirie will smash everyone in the lower divisions. Even though they have been a poor State League side in recent years they would still be highly competitive in pre-season matches or friendlies against Div 1 amateur sides, usually winning. The standard is similar. If you suddenly decided to place an Elizabeth Vale, Elizabeth Downs, Ingle Farm, etc., into Div 4 well the results would be similar. One can assume that Pirie will likely not retain their full squad with the move to amateurs, but I know for a fact that the core base of their squad is built around Port Pirie born and breed players that play for the badge and would never leave the team. Most of these guys do play first team and hence a large part of the squad will most likely be retained. I am well aware of the standards of both federation and amateurs and can pretty much say that the difference between a Metrostars and Pirie is similar to a difference between Pirie and Div 4 sides. It would be a joke to play them in that division, it would not be enjoyable for any clubs or players involved. They will be strong and competitive in Div 2 without being outstanding, the right decision has been made. It is not about whether your club is hard working or whatever your premise is. Pirie have more runs on the board, so to speak, than Brahma Lodge anyway. Your club is a kickabout team and only exist as a floater in the lower divisions, no offense. Pirie's inception strengthens the higher divisions and the Amateur League. It would be poor business on the Amateur Leagues part to start them any lower.

[robinfriday10]

Even though they have been a poor State League side in recent years they would still be highly competitive in pre-season matches or friendlies against Div 1 amateur sides, usually winning.

except for a 4-0 loss to florina a few years back

[tibbaw]

Even though they have been a poor State League side in recent years they would still be highly competitive in pre-season matches or friendlies against Div 1 amateur sides, usually winning.

except for a 4-0 loss to florina a few years back

Haha shiit, perhaps they couldn't field a full strength side that day, as is often the case with Pirie :?

[Aldo Serena]

Pirie have more runs on the board, so to speak, than Brahma Lodge anyway. Your club is a kickabout team and only exist as a floater in the lower divisions, no offense.

You bag his club, and then say no offence?

Pirie have zero runs on the board in the SAASL compared to Brahma Lodge that have been around for many years.

[The Kop]

Pirie have more runs on the board, so to speak, than Brahma Lodge anyway. Your club is a kickabout team and only exist as a floater in the lower divisions, no offense.

You bag his club, and then say no offence?

Pirie have zero runs on the board in the SAASL compared to Brahma Lodge that have been around for many years.

+1

[Die Yuppie Die]

+2

[Wraith]

+3

[King Elijah]

Agree with Jay, but I don't think Adelaide Uni operate this way.

Each one is a separate 'club'. For example, someone playing with Adelaide Uni (1) can not play with Adelaide Uni (4) the next week. Whereas and Ingle Farm 1st team player can play in the C's the next week.

I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

In the cup they would be tied to a team in a particular division but in the league players should be able to move between teams within the club.

I am from Flinders and in the league we are not allowed to just swap players between teams, each division is treated as a different club essentially.

For example, if a player was registered in our Div 3 team and wanted to play div 4 we would have to fill out a transfer form to change them to the other, just as a player would to a different club.

However, when it comes to our "C" teams in div 6, no players are technically registered as being part of that team. Every player in the club is either div 3 or 4, and any player can go down into div 6 in any particular week. In practice however, the majority of our div 6 team is the same every week and train together with their own coach.

[Hawkesy]

Agree with Jay, but I don't think Adelaide Uni operate this way.

Each one is a separate 'club'. For example, someone playing with Adelaide Uni (1) can not play with Adelaide Uni (4) the next week. Whereas and Ingle Farm 1st team player can play in the C's the next week.

I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

In the cup they would be tied to a team in a particular division but in the league players should be able to move between teams within the club.

I am from Flinders and in the league we are not allowed to just swap players between teams, each division is treated as a different club essentially.

For example, if a player was registered in our Div 3 team and wanted to play div 4 we would have to fill out a transfer form to change them to the other, just as a player would to a different club.

However, when it comes to our "C" teams in div 6, no players are technically registered as being part of that team. Every player in the club is either div 3 or 4, and any player can go down into div 6 in any particular week. In practice however, the majority of our div 6 team is the same every week and train together with their own coach.

different at Iggies. I was part of the match day squads for The A's, C's, D's and E's last year.

[gone]

In response to the 'never heard of a club losing all their players' post.

Blackwood's Federation side were promoted from Div 2 to Div 1 and lost 15 of their 16 first team squad.
The reason was the cutting of player payments from $180 per win to $20 per win.
On another note, if the Pirie based players are only playing every second week their form may well drop off.
So what with dropping from Feds to Amateur Div 2, and only playing every second week, if they stumble with results early on it may be hard to keep their players.

[Die Yuppie Die]

15 of 16 is not all

[King Elijah]

Each one is a separate 'club'. For example, someone playing with Adelaide Uni (1) can not play with Adelaide Uni (4) the next week. Whereas and Ingle Farm 1st team player can play in the C's the next week.

I will stand corrected if I am wrong. [/quote]

In the cup they would be tied to a team in a particular division but in the league players should be able to move between teams within the club.[/quote]


I am from Flinders and in the league we are not allowed to just swap players between teams, each division is treated as a different club essentially.

For example, if a player was registered in our Div 3 team and wanted to play div 4 we would have to fill out a transfer form to change them to the other, just as a player would to a different club.

However, when it comes to our "C" teams in div 6, no players are technically registered as being part of that team. Every player in the club is either div 3 or 4, and any player can go down into div 6 in any particular week. In practice however, the majority of our div 6 team is the same every week and train together with their own coach.[/quote]


different at Iggies. I was part of the match day squads for The A's, C's, D's and E's last year.[/quote]

That is possible under the system I described.

The E's - anyone can play for at any time so they can be ignored for this purposes.

If you were registered and played for the A/B squad at the start of the year and were then dropped and played C/D that would be a transfer and no problem.

The issue would be if you were playing A/B went down to C/D and then back up to A/B and so on. That sort of movement is not allowed (for us anyway). I think there is an exception for Goalkeepers.

[Die Yuppie Die]

That is possible under the system I described.

No it isn't.

[Die Yuppie Die]

I think it would be a joke if they started in lower divisions and won 10 nill throughout the season.
Sense must prevail in these unique circumstances.

League rules (rule 4c) state:

When vacancies occur in higher divisions through the resignation or disbandment of
teams, or any other cause, the vacancies shall be filled by the teams next in line for
promotion from the next lower division.

[redfred]

would have thought pirie could become a very strong amateur club. they now dont have all the affiliation fees with ffsa, so they can now compensate their players better. isnt it about $10,000 to play state league? if so they will have more to invest in their clubs future. they now only need 2 teams. Savoy gunna be hard to beat in pirie

[Die Yuppie Die]

For example, if a player was registered in our Div 3 team and wanted to play div 4 we would have to fill out a transfer form to change them to the other, just as a player would to a different club.

Wrong.

Rule 14:

14. INTERCHAGEABILITY OF PLAYERS
(a) When a club is promoting more than one team in the League championship
competition, that club (provided it be a full member and not a designated “thirds” or
“veterans” club) may be permitted to interchange its players from one team to
another unless those players be under suspension, or have been sent off on the same
day.

[Steve#4]

I think it would be a joke if they started in lower divisions and won 10 nill throughout the season.
Sense must prevail in these unique circumstances.

League rules (rule 4c) state:

When vacancies occur in higher divisions through the resignation or disbandment of
teams, or any other cause, the vacancies shall be filled by the teams next in line for
promotion from the next lower division.

Good work How's that bug in your arse working out for you.

It is my "opinion" that they should be treated as a special case.....Don't like it.....Meh.

[Die Yuppie Die]

Good work

Actually I came across it whilst looking for something else.

[King Elijah]

For example, if a player was registered in our Div 3 team and wanted to play div 4 we would have to fill out a transfer form to change them to the other, just as a player would to a different club.

Wrong.

Rule 14:

14. INTERCHAGEABILITY OF PLAYERS
(a) When a club is promoting more than one team in the League championship
competition, that club (provided it be a full member and not a designated “thirds” or
“veterans” club) may be permitted to interchange its players from one team to
another unless those players be under suspension, or have been sent off on the same
day.

The way I described it is the way that we were told we had to operate by the SAASL, and how we have operated for many years.

[A Mature League]

38. AMENDMENTS TO RULES
These rules may be altered, amended or otherwise changed only by the League and provided
that such alterations, amendments or other changes are made and approved by the
Management Committee not later than 30 days prior to the commencement of the
championship season to which they relate.

:?

[web]

It is not about whether your club is hard working or whatever your premise is. Pirie have more runs on the board, so to speak, than Brahma Lodge anyway. Your club is a kickabout team and only exist as a floater in the lower divisions, no offense. Pirie's inception strengthens the higher divisions and the Amateur League. It would be poor business on the Amateur Leagues part to start them any lower.[/quote]


Pirie has it all to prove , you are a new club into the league, we Brahma have been around for a while now with some history in the league and anything but a kickabout club. we have ambitions just like most other clubs in the league and do our best to achieve those ambitions. you havent kicked a ball yet . lets just see how well you do.
if you do as well as you say you will good luck to you but you came in the back door and that is all you are "A BACK DOOR CLUB" no offence.
would be nice to get you in the cup..hope to see you during the season

GO THE BRA

[gooner4life]

Well it will make for an interesting Div 2 anyway, with two teams not there by promotion or relegation but by the grace of the SAASL.

If it goes to form one should get promoted and all will be well and the other will face relagation and cause yet more problems.

Got to love the Amateur League, Amateur by name Amateur by nature!

[Jay Walking]

Well it will make for an interesting Div 2 anyway, with two teams not there by promotion or relegation but by the grace of the SAASL.

If it goes to form one should get promoted and all will be well and the other will face relagation and cause yet more problems.

Got to love the Amateur League, Amateur by name Amateur by nature!

Who is the other team aside from Port Pirie?