Fixtures?

[redlad]

Does anybody know when the FFSA release what divs the teams are in and when the fixtures are?

[ZZZZ]

not yet but going on the memo received yesterday clubs with 2 teams in the 1 age group not going to be happy especially when their teams were in A and B and now will be in A and D if i read it correct

[ZZZZ]

sorry for 2011.

[BeNatural]

Finally the federation listens to it's clubs.

This has been on the agenda since 2002 and it only took 8 years for the Board to make the right call for the future of the game in the state.

Also the divisions will be known probably end of January when nominations due.

[Filikis Eterias]

This has been on Enfield & Norm's agenda to force players to leave bigger clubs to boost those who haven't given a rats about juniors, ie Enfield & White City.
Look at Raiders, a basket case 4 years ago but now building a very respectable program. If clubs focus & put the proper resources & effort they can build their juniors.
This decision will be challenged by our club & i'll rally some others too. Not a dead issue.

[Željko Jurin]

This has been on Enfield & Norm's agenda to force players to leave bigger clubs to boost those who haven't given a rats about juniors, ie Enfield & White City.
Look at Raiders, a basket case 4 years ago but now building a very respectable program. If clubs focus & put the proper resources & effort they can build their juniors. This decision will be challenged by our club & i'll rally some others too. Not a dead issue.

Thank you !!

[robinfriday10]

sad if happens............para hills have consistently had numerous strong B teams who have been succesful in the B division. these boys have been happy to play with their team over a number years. some players have forced their way into the A team at trials so it has been positive for the club to have two strong teams. if a club is capable of keeping two strong sides(will be hard if B's are in D div) then why should they be punished..

[Željko Jurin]

sad if happens............para hills have consistently had numerous strong B teams who have been succesful in the B division. these boys have been happy to play with their team over a number years. some players have forced their way into the A team at trials so it has been positive for the club to have two strong teams. if a club is capable of keeping two strong sides(will be hard if B's are in D div) then why should they be punished..

Why is it a punishment, is it that important at junior level that the "2nd" team of a club plays in a "D" division, or whatever the division is called for that matter ??

It will probably work out that the "D" division is stonger than the "C" and most of the "B" teams, but does it really matter what the "title" of their division is ?
The 2nd teams of Para Hills, Campbelltown, Adelaide City, Birkalla etc is still a very strong comp

I think PARENTS are looking too deep into it.

Maybe it's a way of "evening" out the trial's process that everyone says is not fair ?? Maybe by running it this way, different club trials will have an more even distribution of kids, I dont know, just a thought

[Jeda]

sad if happens............para hills have consistently had numerous strong B teams who have been succesful in the B division. these boys have been happy to play with their team over a number years. some players have forced their way into the A team at trials so it has been positive for the club to have two strong teams. if a club is capable of keeping two strong sides(will be hard if B's are in D div) then why should they be punished..

Why is it a punishment, is it that important at junior level that the "2nd" team of a club plays in a "D" division, or whatever the division is called for that matter ??

It will probably work out that the "D" division is stonger than the "C" and most of the "B" teams, but does it really matter what the "title" of their division is ?
The 2nd teams of Para Hills, Campbelltown, Adelaide City, Birkalla etc is still a very strong comp

I think PARENTS are looking too deep into it.

Maybe it's a way of "evening" out the trial's process that everyone says is not fair ?? Maybe by running it this way, different club trials will have an more even distribution of kids, I dont know, just a thought

"Maybe it's a way of "evening" out the trial's process that everyone says is not fair" maybe for clubs that can't attract players Toros, Enfield, Olympic & possibly Raiders who can only manage 1 team per age group sit down & have a proper think of the consequences this will have before jumping up & down with joy


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[Jeda]

This has been on Enfield & Norm's agenda to force players to leave bigger clubs to boost those who haven't given a rats about juniors, ie Enfield & White City.
Look at Raiders, a basket case 4 years ago but now building a very respectable program. If clubs focus & put the proper resources & effort they can build their juniors.
This decision will be challenged by our club & i'll rally some others too. Not a dead issue.

spot on too many clubs want the easy way to build their juniors, & they only want the cash that juniors generate

[Green_Manalishi]

....maybe for clubs that can't attract players Toros, Enfield, Olympic & possibly Raiders who can only manage 1 team per age group sit down & have a proper think of the consequences this will have before jumping up & down with joy

ABE only have 1 team per age group.

But don't let that get in the way of a good story

I wouldn't

[Željko Jurin]

sad if happens............para hills have consistently had numerous strong B teams who have been succesful in the B division. these boys have been happy to play with their team over a number years. some players have forced their way into the A team at trials so it has been positive for the club to have two strong teams. if a club is capable of keeping two strong sides(will be hard if B's are in D div) then why should they be punished..

Why is it a punishment, is it that important at junior level that the "2nd" team of a club plays in a "D" division, or whatever the division is called for that matter ??

It will probably work out that the "D" division is stonger than the "C" and most of the "B" teams, but does it really matter what the "title" of their division is ?
The 2nd teams of Para Hills, Campbelltown, Adelaide City, Birkalla etc is still a very strong comp

I think PARENTS are looking too deep into it.

Maybe it's a way of "evening" out the trial's process that everyone says is not fair ?? Maybe by running it this way, different club trials will have an more even distribution of kids, I dont know, just a thought

"Maybe it's a way of "evening" out the trial's process that everyone says is not fair" maybe for clubs that can't attract players Toros, Enfield, Olympic & possibly Raiders who can only manage 1 team per age group sit down & have a proper think of the consequences this will have before jumping up & down with joy :mrgreen:


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If you had half a brain you'd be dangerous !!

We have 2 teams per age group from u/11 down, and could have easily had 2 teams in every age group with the amount of kids that trialled this year. Like FE said, we are trying to "build" our juniors, homegrown, thus the reason we have more kids in the younger age groups, and with the larger numbers in the younger age groups, we move forward.
But we both know you cant just "slap" a team together without a qualified coach, and the TOTAL number of teams at the club was the determining factor of how many teams we have this year, to make sure that ALL the teams had adequate training area's, and to get our pitches up to scratch, which cant be done overnight, and is currently looking good

I am not jumping up & down with joy at the decision, but until someone can give me a valid reason why this decision is so bad, I cant see the problem.......yet

So, if you think it's so bad, please let us all know of "the consequences"? You might be surprised, if you put up a valid case, I might agree with you, instead of just bagging other smaller clubs

[robinfriday10]

I am not jumping up & down with joy at the decision, but until someone can give me a valid reason why this decision is so bad, I cant see the problem.......yet

So, if you think it's so bad, please let us all know of "the consequences"? You might be surprised, if you put up a valid case, I might agree with you, instead of just bagging other smaller clubs

The consequences to a club who's B team have been together over time and have been very competitive in the B division now have to either stay together and drop 2 divisions or leave and go to another club.Not fair on those boys who are having that decision sort of made for them.Not fair on the club that has trained and looked after these boys for years only to see these boys pressured into leaving. BUT to be fair zeljko, when these boys get to under 17 they should be looking after their careers and maybe looking after thelmselves and going to these smaller clubs who may give them a pathway into ffsa football rather than amateurs or giving it away due to not being able to break into super league u/19s. sounds contradictory but i believe the smarter kids will leave and sort their senior careers before u/17s but another case of the powers evening out the game rather than strong clubs doing the hard yards and thriving( bit like AFL equalization!!)

[The Wise Monkey]

What club is Robin Friday involved with in 2010?

[robinfriday10]

the disliked club

[lefty]

I am not jumping up & down with joy at the decision, but until someone can give me a valid reason why this decision is so bad, I cant see the problem.......yet

So, if you think it's so bad, please let us all know of "the consequences"? You might be surprised, if you put up a valid case, I might agree with you, instead of just bagging other smaller clubs

The consequences to a club who's B team have been together over time and have been very competitive in the B division now have to either stay together and drop 2 divisions or leave and go to another club.Not fair on those boys who are having that decision sort of made for them.Not fair on the club that has trained and looked after these boys for years only to see these boys pressured into leaving. BUT to be fair zeljko, when these boys get to under 17 they should be looking after their careers and maybe looking after thelmselves and going to these smaller clubs who may give them a pathway into ffsa football rather than amateurs or giving it away due to not being able to break into super league u/19s. sounds contradictory but i believe the smarter kids will leave and sort their senior careers before u/17s but another case of the powers evening out the game rather than strong clubs doing the hard yards and thriving( bit like AFL equalization!!)

I think this decision will benefit Northern E&D clubs as players that dont make the A Team may choose to stay or go to an E&D club that have Div 1 teams which is still a reasonably good standard .

[BeNatural]

I tend to disagree.

They will still be playing the likes of West Adelaide, Campbelltown, Adel City etc so the second teams would be stronger than E&D teams.

Also this would only be for U12 to U17, this ruling of one team in Div 1 to 3.

[robinfriday10]

[quote="lefty"]I think this decision will benefit Northern E&D clubs as players that dont make the A Team may choose to stay or go to an E&D club that have Div 1 teams which is still a reasonably good standard .

sort of agree lefty.......some will leave and join other northern div 1,div2 and div 3 sides which will push out lads at those sides who will ultimately rejoin e&d or give the game away.at the end of the day a lot of kids playing div 2 and div 3 ffsa wont go on to play ffsa seniors so might end up at amateur clubs generally linked with e&d

[AssistantCoach]

I think this is a terrible idea. why shouldnt it be if you are good enough to be in the B div then you stay there even if you are a B team? Tends to be better coaches in the B teams of better clubs then the lower A team clubs so why would players want to move.

[robinfriday10]

agreed assistant coach but its the australian way of equalisation(AFL) gives small clubs who've done f...all with juniors over the years to suddenly get it handed on a plate to them.

[AssistantCoach]

i know for a fact a lot of players would much rather play for the B team of metro, campbelltown, city etc than have to go play for (an no disrespect) a club with not as good facilities, coaches etc

[Nice One Cyril]

It's a tough one because you could say that, under the current system, the clubs with B sides in the B Div are stifling the growth of the smaller clubs' A sides who are having to play C Div. This then has the knock on effect of making it harder to attract more and better players to move the club forwards, so the strong get stronger while the weak get weaker. Ultimately that's probably not good for a competition.

On the other hand, you can understand why some of the bigger, more established clubs will be pissed off for all the reasons listed by other posters. You don't want to limit the number of kids coming into the game and you don't want to lose those players already in the system who, for whatever reason, are not quite good enough to play A grade yet. The kids, understandably, want the best coaching available and to play at the best level they can. It's not going to help their development to play in a D Div and win 20-0 every week.

So, as far as I can see the FFSA are damned if they do and damned if they don't, and I can't think of a constructive idea that would keep all parties, large and small, reasonably happy.

I am assuming that once a club is affiliated to the FFSA, that prohibits them from entering a team into an E&D league (if they wanted to and if the E&D would let them)? Anybody know for sure? If they could, then the B sides could play in a totally different comp at a level that suits them, and the kids could still benefit from the better coaching and facilities and the clubs could still keep the revenue stream. It's not ideal by any means but anybody got any better ideas rather than just slagging or supporting the FFSA according to vested interest.

Before I'm shot down, I should point out that the club where my boys play will be unaffected by this ruling (at the moment) so I'm completely neutral. All sides, bar one, are in the A Div and we don't have any B teams.

[Bresciano]

Some of these smaller clubs with struggling A sides do have good pitches to play on , are fairly centrally located, have good coaches but still can't attract A grade players who can't make the A side of some of the stronger clubs (who often has worse pitches to play on). I think its partly to do with the image of a club which can date back years ago. Juniors want to go to the 'name' clubs. I think Blue Eagles have done a great job of turning around their appeal to junior players and now seem to be a club that players are happy to go to. This has only happened recently from my observations but it demonstrates that clubs can become stronger and more desirable.

PS I have no affiliation with Blue Eagles

[White Hart Lane]

So yeah, have the fixtures been released?

[gl1968]

I agree with first team Regular why punish clubs for trying to develop a junior programm should punish th eclubs who do not have a good jnr prog, my clubs is small and we never say no to a second team as we try to give all kids a go.

i hope our club will fight this !!!!!

[redlad]

I agree with first team Regular why punish clubs for trying to develop a junior programm should punish th eclubs who do not have a good jnr prog, my clubs is small and we never say no to a second team as we try to give all kids a go.

i hope our club will fight this !!!!!

your with strikers right?

[Hollygirl]

There has been no mention of the downside to some existing "D" sides who are potentially going to be slaughtered by some of these strong teams...as an example the Para Hills "B" team in the Under 15's last year would have destroyed any teams in a lower division. This does not benefit any team that is in a lower division already...I would hazard a guess that these players are not going to suddenly jump over to Beverley or Toros! I assume given most age groups only go to a "c" grade that these teams will slot in there to create a nightmare for coaches looking to build skill and confidence in the lower grades...no win for any of the kids here!!

[portobello]

I agree with first team Regular why punish clubs for trying to develop a junior programm should punish th eclubs who do not have a good jnr prog, my clubs is small and we never say no to a second team as we try to give all kids a go.

i hope our club will fight this !!!!!

nothing to do with 15 players x $500 plus then is it?

[portobello]

....maybe for clubs that can't attract players Toros, Enfield, Olympic & possibly Raiders who can only manage 1 team per age group sit down & have a proper think of the consequences this will have before jumping up & down with joy

ABE only have 1 team per age group.

But don't let that get in the way of a good story

I wouldn't

heard your son was trialling at Croydon. Did he get in? Have you Seen the light and left Enfield?

[Green_Manalishi]

But don't let that get in the way of a good story

I wouldn't

heard your son was trialling at Croydon. Did he get in? Have you Seen the light and left Enfield?

He did trial for Croydon 16s, but will be playing with Blue Eagles U16s this year.