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campbo wrote:

I coached a NSW team that won the tournament in Canberra last week and I can tell you that none of my boys play futsal all year round. We have a premier and super league competition and they all play the 14 rounds in that competition. I selected my side on the 16th November, started training on the 30th November and had the 6th, 13th and 20th December as well as 9th and 10th January. Don't think that our sides are together all year round, it all depends on what you do in your limited time available. My training is more focused on tactics etc than playing games to get used to each other. This can happen as the tournament progresses.
Thanks for the feedback, and congrats !!

So seeing it first hand then campbo, why do you think SA is so far behind, in all age groups ??

Are SA's best players getting picked ?? (which is a question for SA forumites)
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as i said before coaches are coaching outdoor soccer
and not the finner points of futsal
i seen the games, players are of the same ability
but if they are playing chess
and we playing checkers how can we win
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I can comment on when I watched your 15 boys playing against some of the other 15 boys sides. I did not coach this age group, I coached a younger age but I had a family member involved in this age group. It was going to be impossible for your 15 boys to beat the better teams as they were always defending with only 3 players. Their target was always standing at halfway hoping for a counter attack. What he should be doing is being taught that as soon as SA lose the ball he is behind the ball and defending. As friendly stated, SA players looked of a reasonable quality but tactics definately let them down. At the speed of the game it is impossible to think that you can defend a man down. I also noticed that SA players seemed to have set positions for each player, rather than a set formation for the team of which any player plays any position. Futsal is definately not football on a smaller field.

In regards to the quality of the Nationals if it was in SA or WA I think it would suffer greatly which is unfortunate as I would like them to be able to move around each year.
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thanks for your comments
its good to see some feedback from other states to see where we at
i think there is heaps of areas for improvment
without being petty and i realise only limited people put there hands up to coach but the biggest area to improve
is coaching
do futsal sa go out and recruit coaches or do they wait until someone put there hand up
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Thanks guys for the feedback, it is definately starting to make more sense

Do Futsal coaching coarses get held in SA ?
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Zeljko Jurin wrote:Thanks guys for the feedback, it is definately starting to make more sense

Do Futsal coaching coarses get held in SA ?
Last one was two years ago i think . . . . . .
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Let's just not make up the numbers. If we are going over there to compete, let's be competitive and professional.
Another thing that killed us is only having nine players per team. If you take two keepers and have an injury or two, you are already on the back foot. Some of the other states had twelve or thirteen players in their squad, hence the luxury of rotating players regularly and having fresh legs.
Also, how can it be a true "Nationals" with five teams represented from NSW and one from ACT. Six local teams and only a couple of other states represented is a bit one-sided.
There is nothing wrong with our talent or quality, but like you said we are up against sides that play together all year round. We can't expect to compete well if our teams are thrown together a few months before the championships.

I was in Canberra last week, as I have been for the last 3 years for the Futsal Nationals, watching many SA games including my child's. These kids work hard and many of the shortcomings mentioned on this forum are correct, but many are not.

Firstly, the only states to have teams of 12 or 13 players are the ACT. Obvious reasons - they live locally, no travel expeneses, etc. and therefore can have larger squads. Not sure if its great to have equivalent of 2 squads in one team. All other travelling states have 9, maximum 10 if they take 2 goalies.

These are National comps but regions are reperesented especially in larger states. Not sure why it matters if NSW enters teams from multiple geographical areas - huge state, huge population, so why not let them enter other teams? Some played very well, some did not but they helped bolster numbers for states that may have been missing in various age groups. A-League has 3 sides from Qld - pretty sure its a national comp still. We'd be allowed to send say a team from Mt Gambier or Port Pirie if we wanted, call them Southern SA or Northern SA.

Also, some interstate squads have players who play all year round, but many do not. Most interstate kids play outdoor in the winter and Futsal in the off season, and many other state squads dont have much training time together prior to the Nationals. We need longer seasons but cant expect our kids to play all year at the expense of club soccer. This cannot be the only excuse for not performing better.

Tactically we need to catch up and we will, and would not hurt to get some new coaching staff on board in the process. Not a coincidence that the teams of the 2 new first-time coaches this year (U14 boys and U13 girls) did just about the best of the SA sides.

I was at a venue next to one of the Qld teams. Not knowing who I was supporting, their coach was talking to some of his players and parents and said that SA used to come to these comps to make up the numbers but are now highly competitive. This is a definite compliment and shows we are making progress. We just have to try and progress faster cos the opposition sides arent standing still either.
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I agree with Matrin Tyler. NSW bring a larger squad also and it could also be due that they are easy driving distance from the capital.
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Good views Martin, why not put more than one team in from SA :D
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I dont usually post much on this site any more, but having been to 3 nationals ( all as a player ) i do have some Opinions on what can make futsal SA a successful organization.

1. Get coaches who actually WANT to succeed over there and not just along for a free trip, on numerous occasions i have witnessed situations where a committed coach would go that extra yard to make sure there team is well prepared. Don’t get me wrong there is some very knowledgeable coaches, but i believe they are rare

2. The managers for these teams, have to also be picked on there futsal knowledge. There is many who have NO idea on the game. A coach always needs someone to bounce ideas off and a second Opinion on many things, currently this is not available. There are many players who have competed in many tournaments that would jump at an opportunity to be involved and would actually add to these teams.

3. I have also witnessed most SA teams only have one way of playing the game FLAT OUT. For a tournament that goes over numerous days and many games this tempo of game style can not be sustained. The teams need to be coached in how to keep a ball and control the tempo, to regain shape and take a breather and build attacks.

4. As mentioned earlier, the team also needs to defend as a square and "Zone defend" as player marking is impossible. To many teams use a target man usually large and mostly immobile, were as a small player with good skills who can work both ends of the court would be of greater value.

5. SA goalkeepers should be encouraged to play on the field more and to often come as far as the half way line. This always provides a backwards option and frees up a player when the keeper is challenged by an opposition player. This takes a lot of practice and can go wrong but during trial games this should be practiced to gain keepers confidence.

These are all my personal Opinion and iam more than willing to cop and flak that comes my way from my comments. I do believe we are getting closer to matching these other states. I have always believed player for player we are as good if not better than any of the teams i have played against, but as a unit they are far superior in structure and discipline.
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got some fairly good points there jet1

especially the 'Flat out' comment.

two boxers going into the ring swinging fists in round 1 are not going to last the distance :!:

but wot wood i know :mrgreen:
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some good points jets1
i went over and watched alot of the games and i noticed the lack of actual coaching from sa
not all coaches tho
i watched other states and they were coaching the kids on what to do to win the game
dont know whether coaches go for a free trip maybe they are the only people that put there hand up
if i apply for a position to coach a squad next year and get rejected then i question the ethics of futsal sa
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I believe that in most cases that all the S.A teams did not field (or go with) what would have been thier strongest teams due to the cost entailed and/or as you got to the older teams that triaining had started for there outdoor clubs. I dont know what the situation is interstae?
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scunthorpe wrote:I believe that in most cases that all the S.A teams did not field (or go with) what would have been thier strongest teams due to the cost entailed and/or as you got to the older teams that triaining had started for there outdoor clubs. I dont know what the situation is interstae?
Spot on, as squizzy said earlier.

It is a pity the federation clubs put pressure onto players not to play futsal if it interferes with the 'pre-season' games or trials.

Until the FFSA bucks it's ways up and it will be the 'same old same old' story.

Rather like AU i suppose :oops:
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Watched a fair bit of U15 SA futsal this year. Probably 30% of players understand how to play the game - rest no idea. The point raised re defence - watched so many times where defender was outnumbered coz a self-appointed attacking/midfield player felt it wasn't their role to defend.

I'm not a coach just a close observer. Most junior players (both Futsal and outdoor) are dumb players.

Shout me down but think about it.
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harsh to call them dumb players
isnt it the coaches responsibility to provide knowledge on how to play the game
whether outdoors or indoors
2 different games should be coached defferently
some players have been coached a little better at a younger age thats why there a little better at an older age
tell you now i coach outdoors and players are 12,13,14,15 years old that dont know how to kick a ball properly
sure anyone can kick a ball but good players can kick a ball properly
this state (NOT SURE ABOUT OTHER)lacks bigtime in coaches teaching younger kids the basics of kickin , controlling , headingetc
only my view
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Congratulations to the following SA players who received tournament MVP awards:
13 Girls Madeline Capoccia
Youth Women Connie Marie Ricci

The three SA referees all received GF appointments.
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Guest12 wrote:Congratulations to the following SA players who received tournament MVP awards:
13 Girls Madeline Capoccia
Youth Women Connie Marie Ricci

The three SA referees all received GF appointments.
Well done! Connie Ricci great player.

Also on a good note, Open Mens' monkey goalkeeper Anthony Capaldi has been invited to trial with the Futsalroos.!! Huge congratulations!
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friendly wrote:harsh to call them dumb players
isnt it the coaches responsibility to provide knowledge on how to play the game
whether outdoors or indoors
2 different games should be coached defferently
some players have been coached a little better at a younger age thats why there a little better at an older age
tell you now i coach outdoors and players are 12,13,14,15 years old that dont know how to kick a ball properly
sure anyone can kick a ball but good players can kick a ball properly
this state (NOT SURE ABOUT OTHER)lacks bigtime in coaches teaching younger kids the basics of kickin , controlling , headingetc
only my view
If a kid wants to make it they'll practice practice and practice, until they know how to kick the ball, control it and header. Then the coaches fine tune.

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oh johnydep

exactly my point this state looks past the basics of the game
my 2 year old practises kicking a ball out the back five times a day now he just needs a coach to coach overlapping runs, cmon
i think you coach roughly 12, 13 year olds correct me if wrong but you can honestly say every boy in your squad can kick header control properly and i dont mean throw a ball at his head and watch it bounce off.
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friendly wrote:oh johnydep

exactly my point this state looks past the basics of the game
my 2 year old practises kicking a ball out the back five times a day now he just needs a coach to coach overlapping runs, cmon
i think you coach roughly 12, 13 year olds correct me if wrong but you can honestly say every boy in your squad can kick header control properly and i dont mean throw a ball at his head and watch it bounce off.
10/11 yo's, and he has girls too, excellent girls infact
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friendly wrote:oh johnydep

exactly my point this state looks past the basics of the game
my 2 year old practises kicking a ball out the back five times a day now he just needs a coach to coach overlapping runs, cmon
i think you coach roughly 12, 13 year olds correct me if wrong but you can honestly say every boy in your squad can kick header control properly and i dont mean throw a ball at his head and watch it bounce off.
Poor kid, only 2 and you want him to be taught overlapping runs ?

I thought i was sad practising with my kids when they were 3 and 7 in the lounge
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Highlights from the 2010 GFs to be shown on SBS from 12noon Sunday 7th Feb (for those watching via Foxtel 11:30am).

http://futsal4all.com/2010/02/ffa-natio ... s-feb-7th/

Unfortunately no SA teams but still some great games.
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