Suggestions for Other Clubs?

eb100 · Post by **eb100** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:30 pm

Hi All,
First time poster - long time reader.

Having just completed the Junior trials for a club (2 kids) 1 made it the other didnt. Sadly, the expectation was there based on loyalty and the fact both are happy playing. My son is not fussed about being a b grade player and in truth there is much less pressure.

anyway, during the trials there were a number of kids trialling for the A team and these kids were picked but will probably pull out if they dont make it. Sadly for 6 kids who were cut (my son being one of them)

Also the way they were told left a lot to be desired.

I was wondering what other U14s are still looking for players close to town.

Cheers

soccer mum · Post by **soccer mum** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:07 pm

eb 100

Yes i know how you would be feeling trials are not a nice time they can be very difficult and it would be very hard for one of your kids to make it and not the other it would deffinatly put a strain on the family not to mention the to boys.

Good luck finding the right club

the juggler · Post by **the juggler** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:50 pm

Fairly sure Enfield looking for players.

Football Freak · Post by **Football Freak** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:15 pm

If it is U14's then i think Playford have their trials coming up soon. I'll take my son there.

If close to City then how about Comets or Birks (just outside)

Loyalty would be nice if both players/kids make it into the same club but it comes down to the $64m question.
Developement
Loyalty
Ability

try putting them in order

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:44 pm

FF, I think you have,

loyalty is applicable if players are of equal ability.

pick on a 'keeper. Both good as each other, if you only take one 'keeper then loyalty is staying with what you have and explaining to the unsuccessfull player/parent why.

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:48 pm

eb100 wrote:Hi All,
First time poster - long time reader.

Having just completed the Junior trials for a club (2 kids) 1 made it the other didnt. Sadly, the expectation was there based on loyalty and the fact both are happy playing. My son is not fussed about being a b grade player and in truth there is much less pressure.

anyway, during the trials there were a number of kids trialling for the A team and these kids were picked but will probably pull out if they dont make it. Sadly for 6 kids who were cut (my son being one of them)

Also the way they were told left a lot to be desired.

I was wondering what other U14s are still looking for players close to town.

Cheers

That must be frusrtating if they were goin' to pull out if not selected. B squad is not a problem as long as they are having fun with their mates.

How were they told ? call out list of names or letter or one on one ?

eb100 · Post by **eb100** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:56 pm

Thanks for the replies all.

The method of announcing wasn't ideal. They told the kids that were out. I think a couple of them left in tears others were shattered, we simply left and licked our wounds.

The best system is a letter and then a rejection letter once all the spots are full and a deposit paid. Anything else leaves room for false hope or embarassment of the clubs.

Thankfully we may have found a club with only 1 trial and the coach is really good from a childs perspective where winning isnt everything but simply being competitive and developing the kids, the only problem now is being split over 2 clubs.

Also, there is a slim chance of the original club calling him back

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:19 pm

if you have 2 boys at different clubs i would suggest installing a fare meter like the taxi companies have

You should find -hopefully- others that may be able to assist in getting one to training or the game.

Now theres a thought eb100, wot time are both boys kicking off ?

eb100 · Post by **eb100** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:31 pm

Barney Rubble wrote:if you have 2 boys at different clubs i would suggest installing a fare meter like the taxi companies have

You should find -hopefully- others that may be able to assist in getting one to training or the game.

Now theres a thought eb100, wot time are both boys kicking off ?

HEHE it may make it obvious to the respective clubs but it's actually a girl and a boy.

IIRC 14s kick off 10am and 11s at 11am.
Been doing it since the U9s so we are used to it just not at 2 different clubs hence my hope I can get them into the same club.

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:01 pm

Hey i think girls soccer is gr8. sometimes puts the testosterone filled boys to shame

Not really looking for the clubs names as it is more important to make sure the kids have a club to play at, sure u get my drift.

Don't get n e speeding tickets though

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:05 am

Birkalla and Comets have already had their trials. Cobras are having their trials starting on 5th November worth a visit there!

eb100 · Post by **eb100** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:08 pm

Hollygirl wrote:Birkalla and Comets have already had their trials. Cobras are having their trials starting on 5th November worth a visit there!

I think Birks is out unlikey to get a spot they had a good team last year

Cobras is a chance altough furtherout for me but like all kids they want to play with their mates. Which is kinda restrictive.

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:09 pm

eb100 wrote:
Barney Rubble wrote:if you have 2 boys at different clubs i would suggest installing a fare meter like the taxi companies have

You should find -hopefully- others that may be able to assist in getting one to training or the game.

Now theres a thought eb100, wot time are both boys kicking off ?
HEHE it may make it obvious to the respective clubs but it's actually a girl and a boy.

IIRC 14s kick off 10am and 11s at 11am.
Been doing it since the U9s so we are used to it just not at 2 different clubs hence my hope I can get them into the same club.

Western District Toros have boys and girls teams.
Trials will be held this Sunday 29th October at
Pennington Oval, Collins Street, Pennington,
for the following teams:

9.00am - Junior Boys - U/8 to U/12
10.30am - Junior Boys - U/13 to U/17
1.00pm - Junior Girls/Women- U/11 to U/17 and State League

Further information will be available on day of trials
or please contact club on 0433 507 983.

Please bring your shin pads and suitable attire.

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:08 pm

another devils advocate question. if a club has all players from a previous season return for the new year will they still trial new lads/lasses and let go some of the kids from the previous year ?

eb100 · Post by **eb100** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:22 pm

povman1964 wrote:another devils advocate question. if a club has all players from a previous season return for the new year will they still trial new lads/lasses and let go some of the kids from the previous year ?

I have yet to see them not do it.

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:29 pm

povman1964 wrote:another devils advocate question. if a club has all players from a previous season return for the new year will they still trial new lads/lasses and let go some of the kids from the previous year ?

They should let new players trial. Only fair.

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:38 am

thanks guys.

oh to be in a position to have players swarming to play with your team, as a coach in the E&D I struggle to fill my squad with 15 players (had 13 last year) , accepting allcomers, even kids who have never played the game , at the age of 14 that can be a bit tricky...

we have a couple of vacancies for Under 15's at PHE....

rossonero · Post by **rossonero** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:41 am

Enfield City Under 11s have a few spots left, previous playing experience would be good for the players interested as the team last season was one of the best in the competition.

trials starting this sunday at 9.00 am at RUSHWORTH RESERVE , BLAIR ATHOL

for enquiries call antoinette on 0409500848

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:15 pm

povman1964 wrote:thanks guys.

oh to be in a position to have players swarming to play with your team, as a coach in the E&D I struggle to fill my squad with 15 players (had 13 last year) , accepting allcomers, even kids who have never played the game , at the age of 14 that can be a bit tricky...

we have a couple of vacancies for Under 15's at PHE....

Been there, seen that, done that !

Take my hat off to all coaches at all levels (to some degree), Federation may be a higher level but can often come with higher expectations from the parents.

E & D has always been a gr8 developement ground for all players AND coaches.
Having 20-30 players trial out for a few spots is not as glorious at it may seem. Breaks down to what the coach is directed to look for.

Players for positions is always the best option, if you have a good 'keeper and you are not looking for another then let the new 'keeper know early on. they can still use the trials as a bit of a fitness training if the selectors are aware of the decision.

Karicako · Post by **Karicako** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:43 pm

I reckon you should see what new lads there are. You've got to keep an open mind surely?

I watched a couple of Modbury trials and they did that for next year's U14 and U15's. Not sure but I think a couple the U15's only took 2 or 3 new lads.

I agree with the Keeper statement - let them know early and be honest.

Football Freak · Post by **Football Freak** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:30 pm

My lad trialled and was unsuccessfull.

there were heaps of players

but at least they had 2 or 3 coaches there taking notes

They made it clear that they were looking for players to fill certain spots - & not a goalie -

Also explained about a second squad being a Div 3 team and that the boys who were unsuccessful would not learn or develope playing in a Div 3 side as there is a fairly large difference in ability and skill levels.

Not sure how many new players they took on though.

Not too worry, movin' on

Vanilla · Post by **Vanilla** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:05 pm

Some good comments here from everyone. Its a brutal process though. Suprised some teams are lucky enough to have too many keepers. I think good ones are as rare as hens teeth at junior level????

corona · Post by **corona** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:02 pm

trials is harder than school as the children that trial wish to play either A or B , but the parents its only A and that puts alot of pressure on the kids . i feel sorry for the lads that either recieve a letter or told on the day your not required as that person may be a good player , but clubs can only fill so many spots and when more kids come its even harder. whats the soultion ? 1 : keep the same team from the last year without trials ? any suggestions . because this is a big issue as seen at adelaide city with a parent ready to attack a coach , because his son was dropped . very sad

pol pot · Post by **pol pot** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:49 pm

yes it is a brutal process but it works both ways. Kids trial for a few clubs and try to hedge their bets and play one off against another.

I had one kid whom i told last night that he made the A squad. I asked him what his answer was and then he said.."i will see"..GREAT!!!

All along I knew he was still trailling with another club and if he made that club (trials finished tonight) that that club would be a his preference. So I gave him an ultimatum, commit to this A squad or I wont consider him. So the kid at the end of the night knowing that if he missed out Wed night at the other club, that he had a club to go to, out and out lied and said he wanted to play with me. That meant i had to tell another kid he would not make it.

low and behold...this player rang me tonight said he made the team for this other club and thanks for letting me trial. That left me with a hole to fill and trying to ring up players to fill this vacant spot.

So whats the moral of the story here? Its that the players themselves play you as well. They and their parents see no problem in lieing and hiding behind veiled promises WHEN IT SUITS THEM. You see, its ok when that happens.

But when the club is faced with that decision and makes it, they are seen as callous, uncaring and disloyal.

This fortnight's trial process has taught me a very valuable lesson, one that i will keep with me. That is, that there is no room for sentimentality, no room for loyalty. In the future I will make decisons that benefit the club and not the other way around. If those decisions benefit the player, well and good.

Players, clubs and parents horse trade. I was at least aware enough to know that the player in question this year, was always going to do what he did and i left my options open. I was non-commital.

The trial process is not perfect but its the best we have and about 90% of the time, it works and kids learn a valuable lesson in life. This is how the job process works in real life. No sentiment, jobs are offerred based upon the needs of the company and employees are dispensed with when they no longer suit its operational needs. What matters are the needs of the employer and not visa versa.

Parents and players think what matters are their needs, but they are wrong.

MegaBonus · Post by **MegaBonus** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:13 pm

pol pot

The trial process is not perfect but its the best we have and about 90% of the time, it works and kids learn a valuable lesson in life. This is how the job process works in real life. No sentiment, jobs are offerred based upon the needs of the company and employees are dispensed with when they no longer suit its operational needs. What matters are the needs of the employer and not visa versa.

tough lesson for 9 year olds

however

an interesting question to those coaches who judge players and pick squads.

do you pick the best 16, if that means you end up with 7 strikers, or 4 right full backs, or 8 stoppers etc etc

or do you pick and choose hoping to build a squad with all positions covered twice over, even if it means you let the 4th best striker go or the 3rd best right back go????????[/quote]

pol pot · Post by **pol pot** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:24 pm

maybe not 9s...but 14 and 15 year olds

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:32 pm

Some true statements there Pol Pot. In reality I would agree that is correct from 14's & up.

It is the coaches job to look for players to develop for the higher age groups, South Adelaide had a good policy about playing players up but bringing them down to their correct age group when it came to cup games. Parents were, i believe a bit 50/50 on it especially when the team were lingering near the bottom of the division and not winning many games.

There you have it, the parents/winning.

Megabonus, a good point there too. Would think if you had an abundance of players for a particular position then a good option would be to play the better one (or two) up.

the juggler · Post by **the juggler** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:20 am

sympathise with you pol pot....happened to me last year where a kid gave a commitment to no less than 4 clubs, then sat back and made a decision. Decision was based on how the clubs seniors were doing. Seniors didn't have a good year so wonder where the kid is this year. Certainly not at my club!!

Vanilla · Post by **Vanilla** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:46 am

Well done Pol Pot.

You did sum it up very well from the clubs perspective.

Thats why I said earlier it is a brutal business even at early ages.

When you add what you were saying to the importance of the 14/15 age group for players in developments squads and them also setting themsleves up for being in the right club at this important age it gets messy.

You must also have to admit the "undercurrent" of uncertainty over what is going on in 2008 ie with aligning juniors with seniors has caused a lot of moving around this year too.

What do you think?

Good point from the clubs view though. As a parent I have just been through it and its not nice.

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:48 am

so there you have it, players often (but not always) show loyalty and the same applies to clubs.

Once you get to U14's + the coaching co-ordinators job is to work with the coaches to select players for future developement towards the seniors.

SC1, i agree that players who move clubs regularly need to be identified as to why, is it the player or the parents

If a club is successfull then often an influx of players occur for the wrong reason, geez who'd be a coach nowadays

Not sure if the SASI (boys AND girls) is the same, what is their average age compared to the agw group they are actually playing in.

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