BIG RED wrote:If Im not mistaken all E&D clubs are currently paying for there player insurance on a club by club basis.(you would hope players were covered by insurance) And I think you will find that this would add up to a fairly sizeable $ figure if you had access to all the numbers.
If E&D clubs were to have players pay a FFSA $17.50/player insurance amount wouldnt E&D clubs save on the costs they are currently paying in player insurance?
I wonder what each of the E&D clubs are currently paying for insurance on a per player basis is?
Havent we had this discussion before BR likes to look at all sides of the equation and yes Im wasting my breath I know
quote TB - If you think paying $150 for an Under 6 to play a 15 minute game organised by volunteer parents is good value and gets you your "free" gear, then good luck.
oh and TB seeing you like to see people get their facts right under 6 SSF play 30 minute games not 15 minute games as you state (exactly the same as E&D Under 6 mod rules)
Sorry BR, my mistake, I was thinking of 15 minute halves. At least I have my financial figures right. I would love to know who is offering $5 insurance for $20 mil cover, I'd be there with bells on
The insurance is based on a "per head" deal. I think you will find that most FFSA clubs still have their own separate policy for their building and contents anyway.
P.S. E&D Under 6 has been 20 minutes a half this season but you haven't been around to know that
In argument, truth always prevails finally; in politics, falsehood always.
Walter Landor
Under the new insurance policy, we use the Public Liability of the FFSA Insurance.
Therefore, previously we paid $27.00 through SASF/FFSA for insurance and used to have to go out and get our own liability.
Now, we pay $17.50 and public liability covered. Therefore as a club we save almost $3000 a year through the FFSA Insurance policy. $3000 that we put back into the juniors and seniors to buy equipment.
The E&D site still has is at 15 mins per half for under 6's ( I checked before I posted) - maybe they are having troubles getting there facts right also umm
Brian32 wrote:Under the new insurance policy, we use the Public Liability of the FFSA Insurance.
Therefore, previously we paid $27.00 through SASF/FFSA for insurance and used to have to go out and get our own liability.
Now, we pay $17.50 and public liability covered. Therefore as a club we save almost $3000 a year through the FFSA Insurance policy. $3000 that we put back into the juniors and seniors to buy equipment.
You would hope that you would get a reduction in your insurance expense over all, if we all got together and got a group insurance policy rather that having many smaller individual policies. It appears thats the case based on your experience B32
BIG RED wrote:The E&D site still has is at 15 mins per half for under 6's ( I checked before I posted) - maybe they are having troubles getting there facts right also umm
Constitution is right, website wrong.
"Rules for Under 6, 7 & 8 Games:
1. Duration of Game Under 6 & 7, - 20 minutes each half with 5 minutes at half time"
In argument, truth always prevails finally; in politics, falsehood always.
Walter Landor
Brian32 wrote:Under the new insurance policy, we use the Public Liability of the FFSA Insurance.
Therefore, previously we paid $27.00 through SASF/FFSA for insurance and used to have to go out and get our own liability.
Now, we pay $17.50 and public liability covered. Therefore as a club we save almost $3000 a year through the FFSA Insurance policy. $3000 that we put back into the juniors and seniors to buy equipment.
The only issue I have with the "per player" system is its inequality.
A club with 400 players is getting stung ($7000), whereas a small club with only a couple of teams is laughing.
Also a 30 year old who earns $100k a year can claim income loss through injury, yet a 10 year old who goes to school has to pay the same amount?
In argument, truth always prevails finally; in politics, falsehood always.
Walter Landor
Brian32 wrote:Under the new insurance policy, we use the Public Liability of the FFSA Insurance.
Therefore, previously we paid $27.00 through SASF/FFSA for insurance and used to have to go out and get our own liability.
Now, we pay $17.50 and public liability covered. Therefore as a club we save almost $3000 a year through the FFSA Insurance policy. $3000 that we put back into the juniors and seniors to buy equipment.
The only issue I have with the "per player" system is its inequality.
A club with 400 players is getting stung ($7000), whereas a small club with only a couple of teams is laughing.
Also a 30 year old who earns $100k a year can claim income loss through injury, yet a 10 year old who goes to school has to pay the same amount?
what about the families with private cover do they get a discount.
Australia is about to embark on their 3rd World Cup appearance and SSF has had no input to the Socceroos ability to make it to the last 32.
uhmm the reason why australia got into the world cup these 2 times is becuase of the new format and new direction ! otherwise if we follow EDJSA idea every 32 years we might get a team into the world cup ?
The new direction you pointed out was tabled in the Crawford report in 2003 that Soccer Australia commissioned in 2002. That is only 6 years ago. What player in the current Socceroos or for that fact the A League is a benefactor of the SSF that was trotted out to all associations of FFA from 2005. Whilst you may lay claim that the eastern states were already doing this earlier, their junior footballing associations were all over the shop in regards to consistency to what they were doing and it wasnt until 2006 (coincidentally, the last World Cup) that FFA pressured all their members to adopt their stance and in turn ensure that all associations Australia wide were converted. May I suggest you look up the Crawford report into Soccer and have a read. Start with the points of reference for the report and see if it matches with your ideals and future for where you see the sport going?
Whilst I am not completely opposed to your discussion I'll still choose the poached eggs for now.
I'll leave you with this thought.......the report was commissioned for the future of the sport not the individual!
yes , 2006 with the introduction of guus hiddink came the wow! factor and hence the change. with out the clear direction led by this man and his team of experts do you think we would have changed ? my guess is not straight away - the results of gettting as far as we(aussies) got is largely attributed to guus hiddink and his team. hence the new devlepement and hence the new format being laid out across all of australia .. i guess the obvious question to ask is - does EDJSA think they know better ?
ill leave that with you and sit back and watch and see how things unfold. i think both sides have details they need to sort so football becomes one body and equal to a power house like afl is then and only then are we on the right road to football world cup and a chance in the next generation to succeed in getting to finals football
BR likes to look at all sides of the equation
and yes Im wasting my breath I know
