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If you read the previous posts... As far as we are all aware, no body is being forced to go anywhere.
And even so, why assume that the "sh-it" clubs have non challenging trainings? You think about the trainings, perhaps think about the game, where these great players will get a chance to stand up and show leadership, and have a chance to play against better teams, rather than just fall into a line up that isnt going to be challenged by any other team.
If they play against better players, they'll still have plenty of opportunity to develop.
and as for the houses, I think I'd rather the best house on the worst street. I get a better house for cheaper that way
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
Hmmm your understanding of home-grown is different from mine.
The current SASI rule is as many home-growns as you like or if not home-growns 3 players max.
Not your home-growns plus 3
actually i prefer my house to look outstanding compared to other houses. always nice to have the best house on the street. but maybe that's just me?
now, back to soccer, sure if just one player moves to a different club. but come on, girls move in packs. you know we do, it's a well known fact that we don't even go to the bathroom on our own. which is then stupid, because we're then self conscious about peeing with other people in the room, but i digress. if players are 'forced' to move (unlikely), most probably they'll move with someone else, at least. or others they know from a different club(s) will also move to that same club, or just other higher quality players in general. which means they won't be the only great player in that team. and even teams like para hills and campbelltown aren't terrible, they improve every single year and just need a bit of experience and leadership. so having higher quality players will help improve their standard.
plus moving clubs put's you out of your comfort zone, which helps you improve as a player and a person. and learn to push yourself. plussss these players would be playing for sasi/united anyways, so there they are surrounded by other high quality players who will push them etc etc
unfortunatly my currently living in the US, means i must resort to constantly calling it soccer, so as not to be mistaken for someone who actually likes and follows that game where they hardly kick a ball at all.
I didn’t say they have no challenging trainings but you’d have to be pretty dillusional to think that the standard of players and skills eetc that will be at the trainings of the so called ‘’sh-it’’ clubs will match those of the good clubs…and the difference in playing/skill standards is pretty obvious when you see the results each week…
yes but like i said. they're constantly improving, and their sides just needs a little more experience, leadership and maybe a few of the 'better' players would help that. just a possibility.. couldn't possibly work though surely? (i sure hope everyone picked up the sarcasm there)
oh, and note - you were the one who started calling them the "sh-it" clubs, so don't start saying 'so called' and putting things in quotation marks to try and fool us into thinking you have morals or something.
FFA
sorry, what does that stand for again?
oh that's right, Football Federation Australia
hmm. no mention of soccer there, interesting. probably because they legally changed the name a few years back. i could be wrong though, commando probably know's best
ecky_8 wrote:
FFA
sorry, what does that stand for again?
oh that's right, Football Federation Australia
hmm. no mention of soccer there, interesting. probably because they legally changed the name a few years back. i could be wrong though, commando probably know's best
Nah pretty sure they are sh-it. And I would cry myself to sleep every Sunday nite after losing week in week out. Ohh but wait at least they win 2 out of 500 games a year. derrrrrrr
No but you did say they wouldnt be challenged, and therefore wouldnt improve.
And how could you know about the standard of training at these "sh-it" clubs that you never would, or never have played for?
Just because their playing standard may not be up to your standard, doesnt mean they dont train hard. I mean, our lady Reds presumably train hard, but look at how they go in their competition. They'd get more of a challenge in their games, and thats where they'd be able to develop their game skills better.
And i dont know what league you watch. 500 games a year? wow. Im surprised those players even have the energy left to cry.
So why is it any different for players here? If they play against a higher quality team, they'll improve, or at the very least keep their standard.
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
i explained why i said soccer. because i'm in the US at the moment and if you say football they think you're referring to american football.
they're not sh-it. i've seen far worse. and well if you'd cry yourself to sleep every sunday night well because you lost each week well, that's too bad for you and apparently you'd have some issues to work through. but as far as i can tell the girls playing in those clubs have fun, no matter the outcome. i for one, admire their attitudes.
Mmm; Which years SASI players are we talking about 2009 or 2010, and which W-League squad are we talking about 2009 or 2010.
Not a combination of 6?? Well if you are counting a dual SASI/ W-League player as a W-League player then a club could be still entitled to 3 SASI players if that dual player only makes 3 W- League players at a club.
Then you have a situation where a club has 4 W-League players already, should they not only be entitled to 2 SASI players. I know one club has 5 W-League players, geez who tells a couple of them to get on their bike. Grey areas and Executive decisions coming up I reckon.
[quote="Commando"]how are the good players supposed to improve by going to sh-it clubs. They will end up dropping there playing standards, because they will never be challenged at training. And will always think they are the best in the team so will never strive to improve. Therefore leading to a drop in the overall standard of the game through-out the state.
Interesting insight into good players (W-League players we are talking about here), hope it is not a widespread view of the W league players approach to the game.
ecky_8 wrote:i explained why i said soccer. because i'm in the US at the moment and if you say football they think you're referring to american football.
they're not sh-it. i've seen far worse. and well if you'd cry yourself to sleep every sunday night well because you lost each week well, that's too bad for you and apparently you'd have some issues to work through. but as far as i can tell the girls playing in those clubs have fun, no matter the outcome. i for one, admire their attitudes.
well ur speaking to ppl in australia now..
are u saying i need to see a psychiatrist...i mean a shrink ..sorrry when i say shrink in Aus they dont know what im talking about
well yes, i am commandon, but the fact remains i'm used to saying soccer.
my god who have thought something so simple would take so long to understand
and yes, well done, i was referring to your unstable mental state and obvious lack of self esteem when talking about you crying yourself to sleep each sunday.
and beaches, i think 2010 sasi players would make sense, isn't that how they usually do it? the current years sasi players?
but there is the interesting question of w league players. because if it's correct on their one year contracts they may have a problem defining, who's in the w league team and who isn't.
_changeling_ wrote:
Just because their playing standard may not be up to your standard, doesnt mean they dont train hard. I mean, our lady Reds presumably train hard, but look at how they go in their competition. They'd get more of a challenge in their games, and thats where they'd be able to develop their game skills better.
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I never sed they don’t train hard. I have 2 questions for you?
1. Do you think the players, based on a team average, at say C’Town are of the same skill level/fitness/etc as those at Adelaide City?
2. Do you think it would be beneficial for a A-League player to begin training with an Super League club? Or would it be more beneficial for that same player to play during a world cup with players above his skill levels?
Playing with players better than you makes you a better player, so unless you are cristiano ronaldo you should always strive to play for the best team you can get into not to play for a low ranking team to try and get a power kick by being the best player in the team.
Answer 1: On a team average...? When did we start talking about teams? You were having a whinge about the possibility of individuals being made to move clubs.
However, there are some players at c'town that would quite easily be able to slip into a team such as city if they so desired. As a team average, due to lack of experience, and lack of experienced players, then I guess my answer would have to be no.
Answer 2: The mens teams are irrelevant. They have a much higher skill level all round, and a more even competition in their higher levels. Whether this is because they're top players are distributed around the league, I dont know. Of course they're better off playing with players above their skill level, but as you mentioned, these W league players are going to be thinking they're the best, so really they're not gonna feel like they have any players above their skill level anyway.
Its just pointless having a few clubs with all the top players. Wheres the competition? Theres no room for improvement if theres no competition provided for them to compete against each week.
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
Years ago a team could have 3 SASI Scholarship holders and that included the current year and the previous year. That is old ruling.
What I am trying to get to is these SASI and W-League could be announced pretty late. Some of the current squad members will be different. Does this mean clubs have to hold off on dumping and recruiting players???
Maybe all players should be deregistered and then all the Premier League clubs can pick up teams one player at a time.
Perhaps, to go further, we could figure out just how many Sasi / W League players each club is eligible for (not counting home grown), and all these players in doubt could draw Club names out of a hat and go and play there!
give a team a break!
"to be a team, to play together... its the best gift that can be given or recieved"
Please correct me if I am wrong, but Why is there a sasi/w-league rule for girls playing for clubs restricted numbers etc, when I believe, there is no such rule for the mens league or A-league players playing for clubs. Is this rule then not discrimatory against girls/women and them having the right to choose where they want to play. Why should girls be told where they cannot play?
I would think that this ruling would be unable to be legally enforced if it was challeged in court by a girl wanting to play for a club of her choice and prevented to do so because that club had to many sasi or w-league players(restricts players freedom of choice).
Also like it has already been suggested, at the end of 2009 w-league season, all contracts end and there is no w-league players until they are contracted again for 2010, which will probably not happen till near the end of the prem league season in 2010.
If there is a solicitor/lawyer out there who could assist with any info regarding these rulings(SASI/W-league player rulings) and there legalities could you please post. As I am sure there would be many interested in the legalities of these rules.
Don't need solicitors getting involved. That is a last resort. because they will only wish to line their own pockets. If it comes to that.
One should have a look at how the Premier Divisions function interstate as to Institute of Sport and W- league players. I do not know. intersting to get some feedback there.
barbarian wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong, but Why is there a sasi/w-league rule for girls playing for clubs restricted numbers etc, when I believe, there is no such rule for the mens league or A-league players playing for clubs..
I don't think too many of the guys actually go back and play for a local club during the winter. They have a pretty long season as is and if they're playing ACL it's even longer. They youth team would go back to their clubs, but I doubt many of the senior guys do. Plus, there are a lot more mens teams going around, so the players and talent are spread a bit more evenly anyway.
Can some one please define "home - grown ", as i believe that Donna Cockayne was at Salisbury United for two seasons, prior to trying her luck at the higher division.
If it comes to that.