Keane tells Irish to 'get over it'

[COLOSSUS]

Reality bites: 'They can complain all they want but France are going to the World Cup - get over it'.

Roy Keane has accused the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) of hypocrisy over its attempts to have the World Cup play-off with France replayed.

Keane said Ireland had benefited from poor refereeing decisions during its qualifying campaign as well as being the victims of a mistake on Thursday (AEDT), when the referee failed to spot Thierry Henry's handball in the build-up to the William Gallas goal that sent France to the finals.

The Ipswich manager, who famously fell out with FAI officials over events that led to him walking out on Ireland's 2002 World Cup squad, said: "I think the supporters deserve better, the manager (Giovanni Trapattoni) deserves better and probably most of the players deserve better, but I'm not sure the FAI deserve better.

"What goes around comes around."

He said his countrymen had no choice but to accept their fate and move on.

"They can complain all they want but France are going to the World Cup - get over it," he said.

Keane highlighted a controversial penalty that Ireland was awarded in a 2-1 win over Georgia in February.

"Ireland had their chances in the two games (against France), and they never took them," he argued.

"But it's the usual FAI reaction - 'we've been robbed, the honesty of the game...'

"There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen which changed the whole course of the game.

"I don't remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay."

Keane risked infuriating his compatriots further by suggesting that France's crucial goal was as much the result of sloppy defending as of Henry's handball.

"I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry," he said.

"How can you let the ball bounce in your six-yard box? How can you let Thierry Henry get goal-side of you?

"If the ball goes into the six-yard box, where the hell is my goalkeeper?"

source: AFP

There you are, one of your greatest ever players telling you exactly how it is. Anyone care to talk us through one of the worst ever penalty decisions the man has ever seen and then explain to us whether that game should also be replayed??? This should be good

[DOC]

keane has an agenda relating to the 2002 world cup, he never got along with the FAI, nothing new here, just found another opportunity to have a dig at them

[Red-4-Life]

Henry was a cheat yes but when the Irish say they should have been the ones who got through is not the case...they could have lost in penalties....

[barbarez01]

keane has an agenda relating to the 2002 world cup, he never got along with the FAI, nothing new here, just found another opportunity to have a dig at them

[ruud]

keane has an agenda relating to the 2002 world cup, he never got along with the FAI, nothing new here, just found another opportunity to have a dig at them

i think keane has an agenda with everyone

[blue moon]

he's just a bitter twat. but they do need to get over it now, theres nothing they can do about it.

[Hawkesy]

keane has an agenda relating to the 2002 world cup, he never got along with the FAI, nothing new here, just found another opportunity to have a dig at them

[Squizzy]

keane has an agenda relating to the 2002 world cup, he never got along with the FAI, nothing new here, just found another opportunity to have a dig at them

Maybe but he's correct in his comments!

[DOC]

Maybe but he's correct in his comments!

maybe he was as the irish have given up hope of a replay and are now focused on euro quals, still doesn't change the fact he has an agenda against the FAI

[Hawkesy]

Maybe but he's correct in his comments!

maybe he was as the irish have given up hope of a replay and are now focused on euro quals, still doesn't change the fact he has an agenda against the FAI

He is right in what he says but when you're "robbed" it's hard to accept. I'd still smack Maradona and the ref v sheff wed. and they were years ago.

However, a bloke who turned his back on his country days before a world cup should keep his mouth shut. Fantastic footballer but all too often shows himself to be a complete prick.

[ozzie owl]

Can't have replay now , and introducing videos to help refs, where do you draw the line .

Look at cricket might as have two robots out there for the power have now.

[Nice One Cyril]

Can't have replay now , and introducing videos to help refs, where do you draw the line .

Look at cricket might as have two robots out there for the power have now.

If the whole of the watching public can see an slo-mo action replay within 20 seconds of France 'scoring', why can't the fourth official?

It's utter madness not to use the technology available.

[Hawkesy]

Can't have replay now , and introducing videos to help refs, where do you draw the line .

Look at cricket might as have two robots out there for the power have now.

video relays would ruin the game, as you said were do you draw the line? in this situation it's ok because the ball is immediately out of play, imagine if play had continued For 2 minutes before being pulled back.

Now THAT would be madness.

[Nice One Cyril]

Can't have replay now , and introducing videos to help refs, where do you draw the line .

Look at cricket might as have two robots out there for the power have now.

video relays would ruin the game, as you said were do you draw the line? in this situation it's ok because the ball is immediately out of play, imagine if play had continued For 2 minutes before being pulled back.

Now THAT would be madness.

And the France v Ireland game wasn't ruined by the incorrect award of the match winning goal? C'mon Hawkesy, get your head out of the sand (I was going to write something else but couldn't bring myself to slag off a fellow pom ).

[Kitchimo]

Roy Keane makes a very good point. Watch the game in real time.

[blue moon]

think you could have goal line technology but this incident wouldnt have been part of that. cant see how you can have technology or a fourth official for general outplay. the game would be too stop start. cricket is stop start so it doesnt really effect the game too much. unless something like a coach can only ask for two decision per half to be reviewed - and only ones in the penalty area.

[Litmanen]

I agree with Keane, it might sound blunt and crude, but he's spot on.

[Nice One Cyril]

Funnily enough it happened again last night with the Wigan goal against Spurs. Scharner very clearly handled the ball to control it before scoring but, once again, the officials all missed it.

In this instance, since Spurs went on to score 9 it will be forgotten, but I think we're likely to see more of this in the future unless something is done about it.

[Hawkesy]

Can't have replay now , and introducing videos to help refs, where do you draw the line .

Look at cricket might as have two robots out there for the power have now.

video relays would ruin the game, as you said were do you draw the line? in this situation it's ok because the ball is immediately out of play, imagine if play had continued For 2 minutes before being pulled back.

Now THAT would be madness.

And the France v Ireland game wasn't ruined by the incorrect award of the match winning goal? C'mon Hawkesy, get your head out of the sand (I was going to write something else but couldn't bring myself to slag off a fellow pom ).

For every game that has been ruined by a referees decision, there would be 100 ruined by the stop stardt nature of video technology.

[thierry14]

Reality bites: 'They can complain all they want but France are going to the World Cup - get over it'.

Roy Keane has accused the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) of hypocrisy over its attempts to have the World Cup play-off with France replayed.

Keane said Ireland had benefited from poor refereeing decisions during its qualifying campaign as well as being the victims of a mistake on Thursday (AEDT), when the referee failed to spot Thierry Henry's handball in the build-up to the William Gallas goal that sent France to the finals.

The Ipswich manager, who famously fell out with FAI officials over events that led to him walking out on Ireland's 2002 World Cup squad, said: "I think the supporters deserve better, the manager (Giovanni Trapattoni) deserves better and probably most of the players deserve better, but I'm not sure the FAI deserve better.

"What goes around comes around."

He said his countrymen had no choice but to accept their fate and move on.

"They can complain all they want but France are going to the World Cup - get over it," he said.

Keane highlighted a controversial penalty that Ireland was awarded in a 2-1 win over Georgia in February.

"Ireland had their chances in the two games (against France), and they never took them," he argued.

"But it's the usual FAI reaction - 'we've been robbed, the honesty of the game...'

"There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen which changed the whole course of the game.

"I don't remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay."

Keane risked infuriating his compatriots further by suggesting that France's crucial goal was as much the result of sloppy defending as of Henry's handball.

"I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry," he said.

"How can you let the ball bounce in your six-yard box? How can you let Thierry Henry get goal-side of you?
"If the ball goes into the six-yard box, where the hell is my goalkeeper?"

source: AFP

There you are, one of your greatest ever players telling you exactly how it is. Anyone care to talk us through one of the worst ever penalty decisions the man has ever seen and then explain to us whether that game should also be replayed??? This should be good

exactly.....
Long live the King

[Nice One Cyril]

For every game that has been ruined by a referees decision, there would be 100 ruined by the stop stardt nature of video technology.

Hawkesy, I'm a traditionalist (some might say old) so I'm more than happy to accept a degree of human error for fouls and offsides and the like, and I don't really want any more technology than is strictly necessary, but I do want to see games decided on the football, not on the lottery of an official's decision. I understand that it would mean that top-level games would be played under different rules to the local park game but I think that's a small price to pay for getting the 'right' result..

So IMO, as long as they only use technology sparingly for certain specified incidents then there's no reason it would make any difference to the flow of the game, especially since the players always waste a minute or so arguing with the ref over a bad call and video replay is almost instantaneous.

I would like to see a two-pronged approach to the introduction of technology.

Firstly, we must have goal line cameras so we can be sure whether a ball has crossed the line or not, and the fourth official (not the coaches) should have access to a video feed. The referee then has the option (and I believe we should leave it to his discretion and see how it goes) to ask the fourth official to review the footage ONLY in the instance when a 'goal' has been scored or the ref believes a goal may have been scored but he's not sure if it crossed the line.

Secondly, there should be a tribunal system (the AFL have got this bit right), which looks at things the referee has missed or called incorrectly such as blatant simulation, and has the ability to impose sanctions against the offending players.

We all know that goals change games, so all I really want to do is make sure that it was really a goal and if that means a few seconds longer for a decision, then so be it.

[Hawkesy]

your scenario makes a lot of sense.

How would it deal with this situation?
Ball may/may not have crossed the line when the defender hooks the ball clear. Play presumably Continues until the next time the ball is dead. What if play continues for 5 minutes? What if the other team scores? Play gets pulled back and the clock put back 5 minutes?

If you stop play immediately, what's the restart if it's not crossed the line? drop ball would be the obvious answer, bit unfair on the team in possession.

[pires7]

e.g. the ball crosses the line and keeper knocks it back into play, an attacker takes a shot and a defender deliberately handles a goal bound shot, ref would give a red yet if it was already a goal, the incident should no longer apply ??

What happens then?

The NRL have such issues where a video ref can go through the 6 tackles and pull up a forward pass etc, well before the scoring incident. Could the ref rule on a foul committed at the other end of a counter-attack?

[Nice One Cyril]

your scenario makes a lot of sense.

How would it deal with this situation?
Ball may/may not have crossed the line when the defender hooks the ball clear. Play presumably Continues until the next time the ball is dead. What if play continues for 5 minutes? What if the other team scores? Play gets pulled back and the clock put back 5 minutes?

If you stop play immediately, what's the restart if it's not crossed the line? drop ball would be the obvious answer, bit unfair on the team in possession.

I wholly understand that no system is going to be perfect and there will always be instances where it falls down but I do feel that these would be far and few between. Given the scenario you've outlined above, you'd let the play continue and then have to pull the play back and add on the time. Unsatisfactory I know but neither team could argue if the video evidence proves the referee correct and, as I say, chances are there'll be a stoppage within a minute or so.

But I don't think we should use the one in a thousand (or more) instance to deny the use of technology. From what I've seen and heard, just about every player, official and manager wants its limited use, and it's just the fuckwits at FIFA dragging their heels.

[Nice One Cyril]

e.g. the ball crosses the line and keeper knocks it back into play, an attacker takes a shot and a defender deliberately handles a goal bound shot, ref would give a red yet if it was already a goal, the incident should no longer apply ??

What happens then?

Not saying I have all the answers, but if we didn't take a risk from time to time you'd never cross the road. The chances of that happening are probably similar to being struck by lightning, but imo anything of that nature (ie not dangerous) subsequent to the goal would not be penalised but I'm sure the 'game' can reach a consensus on what should happen.

The NRL have such issues where a video ref can go through the 6 tackles and pull up a forward pass etc, well before the scoring incident. Could the ref rule on a foul committed at the other end of a counter-attack?

My personal opinion would be no. My personal intention would only be to stop incidents such as Henry and Scharner with deliberate handballs and the ridiculous Roy Carroll / Pedro Mendes type incident.

[Costanza Philosophy]

your scenario makes a lot of sense.

How would it deal with this situation?
Ball may/may not have crossed the line when the defender hooks the ball clear. Play presumably Continues until the next time the ball is dead. What if play continues for 5 minutes? What if the other team scores? Play gets pulled back and the clock put back 5 minutes?

If you stop play immediately, what's the restart if it's not crossed the line? drop ball would be the obvious answer, bit unfair on the team in possession.

Why? It only takes a few seconds for a fourth official to look at video of it whilst play goes on so no need to stop play unless he deems it as over the line (in which case the ball is dead). It shouldn't take him five minutes to come to that conclusion, just a few seconds.

[Jimmy]

your scenario makes a lot of sense.

How would it deal with this situation?
Ball may/may not have crossed the line when the defender hooks the ball clear. Play presumably Continues until the next time the ball is dead. What if play continues for 5 minutes? What if the other team scores? Play gets pulled back and the clock put back 5 minutes?

If you stop play immediately, what's the restart if it's not crossed the line? drop ball would be the obvious answer, bit unfair on the team in possession.

Why? It only takes a few seconds for a fourth official to look at video of it whilst play goes on so no need to stop play unless he deems it as over the line (in which case the ball is dead). It shouldn't take him five minutes to come to that conclusion, just a few seconds.

Fuck you costanza, and fuck the Irish.

[Costanza Philosophy]

That's an intelligent comeback. I can't compete with that. :?

[Kitchimo]

That's an intelligent comeback. I can't compete with that. :?

Get a good look Costanza?

[Jimmy]

That's an intelligent comeback. I can't compete with that. :?

You can stuff your sorries in a sack, mister!