goal shouldn't have been allowed........fkkkkkk offff france

[COLOSSUS]

don't blame the refs, blame the players
if the players had more respect for the game and a sense of fair play they wouldn't do this blatant cheating

blatant cheating such as this should be 1 year automatic suspension for the player from all football

imagine if Tiger Woods kicked a ball out from under a tree and went on to win and freely admitted it afterwards...

Henry should be booed every time he touches a ball for the rest of his career

Thats the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. Are you one of those people that want to see sport played by Robots??? Get the shiraz out of here. Its part of the game and if the referee or his assistants dont pick it up, then its legal. Do you get a year for speeding a few k's over the limit??? Have you ever sped in your life??? I bet not, your Mr goody2shoes Going by your theory, every person who speeds regardless of the excess speed should lose their licence for a year??? What are you smoking Vertu seriously??? If Tiger Woods kicked the ball out under a tree he wouldnt be punished for a year but rather he would penalised a stroke or 2. Get over it you sook

You do get it do you? , if you speed by a few k's over then it is not blatant disregard for the rules
if you do 150 ks in a 60 zone i.e a baltant deliberate disregard for the laws then yes loss of license for a year would be warranted , would it not?
you obviously know little of the traditions of golf , Woods would not play again ....period , but then he would never do it in the first place

and btw leave the personal attacks out of it ffs you don't know me at all , it is just my opinion , it's not life and death
personal attacks don't make you any smarter


"if the referee or his assistants dont pick it up, then its legal"
lastly , if you think that if a policeman doesnt see you commit a crime then it's legal , then we have no more to discuss i don't think , we are too diametrically opposed.

Speeding is speeding as cheating cheating is cheating as stealing is stealing. By your theory, its ok to steal a tennis ball but not a car??? Sorry, i dont buy that one

2ndly, i couldnt care less about the traditions of Golf and i do not care, however Tiger Woods or nearly all professionals of that sport wouldnt do it therefor comparing apples with apples is something you should also learn to do and for the record, we have OFFICIALS in our game that are there to make decisions and control the game, obviously they arent doing a good fa.rking job are they???

As for the personal attacks, please re-read my post and highlight the personal attacks. I didnt attack you but if you would like to compare the differences, just ask nicely and ill happily oblige

Its legal if you get away with it. Using the Police theory was smart but hows this one, is there legalities in War when you are trying to gain an advantage over an opponent??? Please do post them for me because in war, there are no legalities, just men versus men trying to gain an advantage for their side, much like Henry did

[thierry14]

Hand-to-ball...clearly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIQtT9PA ... r_embedded

Corrupt FIFA have their way. Imagine the revenue they would have lost if France had not have qualified. They seeded the play-offs too when they realised their two European "jewels" in France and Portugal might not qualify.

Henry, you a a disgrace. I hope the Ausises get France in their group and give them a hiding.
Erin go bragh!

your havin a laugh right
Henry alone would ABSOLUTELY destroy Neil and Moore
not to mention Ribery,Benzema,Gourcuff,Nasri,Malouda and ofcourse Gignac and Anelka
who have we got? Cahill and Kewell and Bresciano
yeah we're really good compared to France

[Kitchimo]

Hand-to-ball...clearly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIQtT9PA ... r_embedded

Corrupt FIFA have their way. Imagine the revenue they would have lost if France had not have qualified. They seeded the play-offs too when they realised their two European "jewels" in France and Portugal might not qualify.

Henry, you a a disgrace. I hope the Ausises get France in their group and give them a hiding.
Erin go bragh!

your havin a laugh right
Henry alone would ABSOLUTELY destroy Neil and Moore
not to mention Ribery,Benzema,Gourcuff,Nasri,Malouda and ofcourse Gignac and Anelka
who have we got? Cahill and Kewell and Bresciano
yeah we're really good compared to France

Yet we thumped Ireland in Ireland two months ago and they go and win (in the regular 90 minutes) in the Stade de France?

[DOC]

FIFA should step in and call for the game to be replayed as the player admitted to it, game should be annuled like a britany spears wedding, the ref shouldn't do international football matches for a year...

of course this wont happen though as fifa need france at the world cup, hence the shambolical seeding system

[ruud]

it angers me that france had to resort to that to qualify...

[Red-4-Life]

Henry will have to live with the guilt FOREVER now! think about all the little kids hearts he broke....

[Nice One Cyril]

It's sad that a great player like Henry has to stoop to cheating to win a game but, as Col says, that's football.

No point blaming the ref. If he doesn't see it then he can't give it. Blame the governing bodies for their Luddite head in the sand mentality over video replays for certain situations. All Henry has done is hasten the day when FIFA extract their heads from their collective rectums and we use the technology available.

[Il Duce]

Henry will have to live with the guilt FOREVER now! think about all the little kids hearts he broke....

Do you think maradona does? I doubt either will.

[Knight7]

For those that watched the game on Setanta was that the worlds worst comentator or what?

[swannsong]

Hand of Frog

Henry should be suspended for that, it's as poor as diving !

[Red-4-Life]

Hand of Frog

Henry should be suspended for that, it's as poor as diving !

Couldn't agree more.

[COLOSSUS]

Its now emerged that Henry actually admitted to the ref that he accidentally handled the ball into the goal and the refs comment back to him was something along the lines of "im in charge here". This changes everything and i expect to see some apologies for Henry for some of you who delibrately questioned and then attacked his credibility when you should of directed that towards the officials but im sure some of you are too proud to apologise

Like i said in another post, if Robbie Keane and co actually put away their chances, Henrys hand ball wouldnt have even rated a mention

[Nice One Cyril]

Hand of Frog

Henry should be suspended for that, it's as poor as diving !

I agree with the sentiment, but there's no offence of 'cheating' and I doubt they'll use the 'bringing the game into disrepute' rule because that was designed for off-field transgressions. It's the laws that need changing to accommodate the changing nature of the professional game.

[Nice One Cyril]

Its now emerged that Henry actually admitted to the ref that he accidentally handled the ball into the goal and the refs comment back to him was something along the lines of "im in charge here". This changes everything and i expect to see some apologies for Henry for some of you who delibrately questioned and then attacked his credibility when you should of directed that towards the officials but im sure some of you are too proud to apologise

Like i said in another post, if Robbie Keane and co actually put away their chances, Henrys hand ball wouldnt have even rated a mention

Firstly, emerged from where? I haven't seen Henry say anything of the sort. Secondly, he didn't handle it into the goal, Gallas was the scorer. Thirdly, Henry roundly celebrated the goal and his part in it. He didn't look too embarrassed to me and I didn't see him speak to the ref from the small amount of footage I've seen.

He cheated and he knows he cheated. He got away with it but I would advise him not to play golf in Ireland for a while.

[swannsong]

....Henry actually admitted to the ref that he accidentally handled the ball into the goal.....

As if, and when......after the game ?

[COLOSSUS]

Henry admitted the ball did strike his hand and claims he told the referee, who chose to allow the goal to stand.

The Barcelona striker said: "The ball hit my hand, I will be honest. It was a handball, you can clearly see it. (Sebastien) Squillaci went to jump with two Irish players, I was behind him and the next thing I know the ball hit my hand."

"It was a handball, but I'm not the ref. I told (the referee) but he said to me the same: 'You are not the ref.'"


www.sportal.com.au/football

[ruud]

Henry admitted the ball did strike his hand and claims he told the referee, who chose to allow the goal to stand.

The Barcelona striker said: "The ball hit my hand, I will be honest. It was a handball, you can clearly see it. (Sebastien) Squillaci went to jump with two Irish players, I was behind him and the next thing I know the ball hit my hand."

"It was a handball, but I'm not the ref. I told (the referee) but he said to me the same: 'You are not the ref.'"


http://www.sportal.com.au/football

its like murdering someone and admitting it

but because he admitted it, its ok to cheat?

[COLOSSUS]

Henry admitted the ball did strike his hand and claims he told the referee, who chose to allow the goal to stand.

The Barcelona striker said: "The ball hit my hand, I will be honest. It was a handball, you can clearly see it. (Sebastien) Squillaci went to jump with two Irish players, I was behind him and the next thing I know the ball hit my hand."

"It was a handball, but I'm not the ref. I told (the referee) but he said to me the same: 'You are not the ref.'"


http://www.sportal.com.au/football

its like murdering someone and admitting it

but because he admitted it, its ok to cheat?

Sorry ruud but he hasnt been found guilty of anything and the "cheating" part is only YOUR perception pal. He didnt murder anybody and comparing it to murder is about as ridiculous as calling him cheat. Which part of he told the referee and then the ref told him "you are not the ref" dont you get??? Im also keen to see where there is proof he cheated??? He is playing Sport, and in sport you do what you have to to get your team over the line and thats exactly what he did. If 2 officials on the same side of the pitch as Henry was couldnt see him handle the ball and also didnt accept his word that he indeed handled it, why the fark arent you questioning their motives because they sound more like the cheats to me than Henry

GET OVER IT, France are heading to SA 2010, end of story.

[DOC]

he admitted to it so its like a quilty plea. no trial... i haven't seen this from a good source either col, say fox or sky, and from the footage he runs off so not sure which millisecond he spent telling the ref... your as bad as fifa... the old goons wont want video technology and they struggle to use vcr's.... fifa needs new life after all the controversies about technology...

[ruud]

its like murdering someone and admitting it

but because he admitted it, its ok to cheat?

Sorry ruud but he hasnt been found guilty of anything and the "cheating" part is only YOUR perception pal. He didnt murder anybody and comparing it to murder is about as ridiculous as calling him cheat. Which part of he told the referee and then the ref told him "you are not the ref" dont you get??? Im also keen to see where there is proof he cheated??? He is playing Sport, and in sport you do what you have to to get your team over the line and thats exactly what he did. If 2 officials on the same side of the pitch as Henry was couldnt see him handle the ball and also didnt accept his word that he indeed handled it, why the shiraz arent you questioning their motives because they sound more like the cheats to me than Henry

GET OVER IT, France are heading to SA 2010, end of story.

are you joking? so cause he wasnt caught its not cheating?

i wouldnt even expect hawkesy to say this

atleast be credible and say he cheated, but he did what he needed to do to win the game...

[swannsong]

[COLOSSUS]

he admitted to it so its like a quilty plea. no trial... i haven't seen this from a good source either col, say fox or sky, and from the footage he runs off so not sure which millisecond he spent telling the ref... your as bad as fifa... the old goons wont want video technology and they struggle to use vcr's.... fifa needs new life after all the controversies about technology...

He admitted to cheating??? or maybe he admitted that the ball touched his hand??? because from where i sit, they are 2 totally different things No guilty plea at all, he only admitted that the ball hit his hand and he told the ref who didnt want a bar of it. No suspicion of cheating to me, more like honesty As far as calling me as bad as FIFA, whatever tickles your fancy DOC. Im not here to bat for France or Henry because i couldnt care less about either of them, but its clear to me that all you people have directed your anger towards the wrong person. Still nobody will answer why the ref and his assistant on that side have nothing to answer for??? Hand balls happen every week in Football, just because it cost you a place in the World Cup doesnt make it any worse than every other hand ball. How about Ireland the team, do they get away with the fact they werent good enough to take their chances, or is it easier maybe to just blame one player from the opposition for cheating??? Even Trapattoni admitted that you failed to take your more than enough chances

[COLOSSUS]

Sorry ruud but he hasnt been found guilty of anything and the "cheating" part is only YOUR perception pal. He didnt murder anybody and comparing it to murder is about as ridiculous as calling him cheat. Which part of he told the referee and then the ref told him "you are not the ref" dont you get??? Im also keen to see where there is proof he cheated??? He is playing Sport, and in sport you do what you have to to get your team over the line and thats exactly what he did. If 2 officials on the same side of the pitch as Henry was couldnt see him handle the ball and also didnt accept his word that he indeed handled it, why the shiraz arent you questioning their motives because they sound more like the cheats to me than Henry

GET OVER IT, France are heading to SA 2010, end of story.

are you joking? so cause he wasnt caught its not cheating?

i wouldnt even expect hawkesy to say this

atleast be credible and say he cheated, but he did what he needed to do to win the game...

No im not joking, it is only YOUR PERCEPTION that he cheated. So i have to call him a cheat to be credible??? Stop wasting my time ruud please

[DOC]

get off it col he cheated if he admits to a deliberate handful then its admission to cheating, no two ways around it.... sure ireeland didn't take their chances but this goal shouldn't have been allowed, fifa will stay silent and no blame will go to the officials who are at fault, i think the officials should be banned and the game replayed, i have said this a few times now but nothing will happen and blatter fifa eufa and platini got their way... the playoffs where a shambles as the seeding was done to make sure the big nations were there in sa in 2010 to appease networks who have paid millions for tv rights... all polotics col and they one this time, lets see how quickly fifa sweep this one under the rug as they wont want it going on like the eduardo saga

[COLOSSUS]

get off it col he cheated if he admits to a deliberate handful then its admission to cheating, no two ways around it.... sure ireeland didn't take their chances but this goal shouldn't have been allowed, fifa will stay silent and no blame will go to the officials who are at fault, i think the officials should be banned and the game replayed, i have said this a few times now but nothing will happen and blatter fifa eufa and platini got their way... the playoffs where a shambles as the seeding was done to make sure the big nations were there in sa in 2010 to appease networks who have paid millions for tv rights... all polotics col and they one this time, lets see how quickly fifa sweep this one under the rug as they wont want it going on like the eduardo saga

So there is no such thing as accidental hand ball??? Only deliberate??? He didnt admit to deliberately handling the ball but rather he admitted that indeed the ball touched his hand. Again, they are 2 very different things. Now lets say he did deliberately handle the ball, that doesnt change the fact that the referees are inept, or that you had more than enough chances to win the game. To ask for a full replay of the game because of 1 decision is bloody ridiculous, sorry DOC but it is. Do we also replay the A-League grand final because of 1 inept referee whose diabolical decision 10 minutes into a Grand Final decisively changed the whole of that game??? Or do we replay the game that helped secure Arsenal a Champions League berth after a shocking decision by the referee to award a penalty for what seemed a clear dive??? Come on mate, get a grip here. I understand your distraught, and i also would be but logic tells you that Football has funny ways of throwing up results and you need to accept this as thats just how it is. What if Ireland took its chances, What if the referee saw the hand ball. Thats Football dude, theres what ifs and theres winners, unfortunately for you this time, its some what ifs

[TOPGUNJIMMYAUFC]

well, doodsy got caught out doing it, the reff on this game didn't even see it where was standing from, only reffs will decide if they see it or not, otherwize bring in tech....someone will get killed for shit like that , being international...

[Nice One Cyril]

get off it col he cheated if he admits to a deliberate handful then its admission to cheating, no two ways around it.... sure ireeland didn't take their chances but this goal shouldn't have been allowed, fifa will stay silent and no blame will go to the officials who are at fault, i think the officials should be banned and the game replayed, i have said this a few times now but nothing will happen and blatter fifa eufa and platini got their way... the playoffs where a shambles as the seeding was done to make sure the big nations were there in sa in 2010 to appease networks who have paid millions for tv rights... all polotics col and they one this time, lets see how quickly fifa sweep this one under the rug as they wont want it going on like the eduardo saga

So there is no such thing as accidental hand ball??? Only deliberate??? He didnt admit to deliberately handling the ball but rather he admitted that indeed the ball touched his hand. Again, they are 2 very different things. Now lets say he did deliberately handle the ball, that doesnt change the fact that the referees are inept, or that you had more than enough chances to win the game. To ask for a full replay of the game because of 1 decision is bloody ridiculous, sorry DOC but it is. Do we also replay the A-League grand final because of 1 inept referee whose diabolical decision 10 minutes into a Grand Final decisively changed the whole of that game??? Or do we replay the game that helped secure Arsenal a Champions League berth after a shocking decision by the referee to award a penalty for what seemed a clear dive??? Come on mate, get a grip here. I understand your distraught, and i also would be but logic tells you that Football has funny ways of throwing up results and you need to accept this as thats just how it is. What if Ireland took its chances, What if the referee saw the hand ball. Thats Football dude, theres what ifs and theres winners, unfortunately for you this time, its some what ifs

You're right and wrong Col.

Watch it carefully and he handles it twice, not once, and for him to claim two accidental handballs in the space of a couple of seconds is just Henry trying to deflect the criticism (understandably). As to him running to the referee to say it was handball and the ref shooing him away well that's just complete bullshit. Unless he used a fucking megaphone to shout to the ref it's a total fabrication as he was running off celebrating and the ref was miles away. Again he's just trying to paint himself in a better light. Sportal.com is about as trustworthy as FN.

However, you are totally correct that that's football and any talk of a replay is rubbish. Sometimes it goes for you and sometimes against and you just have to move on and play the next game. I only hope that FIFA now use this furore to back the calls for the use of technology.

[Il Duce]

Intentional or not handball should be handball.

[Nice One Cyril]

Intentional or not handball should be handball.

I won't get involved in a lengthy discussion of the ins and outs of that. My only comment would be 'bollocks'.

[Knight7]

get off it col he cheated if he admits to a deliberate handful then its admission to cheating, no two ways around it.... sure ireeland didn't take their chances but this goal shouldn't have been allowed, fifa will stay silent and no blame will go to the officials who are at fault, i think the officials should be banned and the game replayed, i have said this a few times now but nothing will happen and blatter fifa eufa and platini got their way... the playoffs where a shambles as the seeding was done to make sure the big nations were there in sa in 2010 to appease networks who have paid millions for tv rights... all polotics col and they one this time, lets see how quickly fifa sweep this one under the rug as they wont want it going on like the eduardo saga

So there is no such thing as accidental hand ball??? Only deliberate??? He didnt admit to deliberately handling the ball but rather he admitted that indeed the ball touched his hand. Again, they are 2 very different things. Now lets say he did deliberately handle the ball, that doesnt change the fact that the referees are inept, or that you had more than enough chances to win the game. To ask for a full replay of the game because of 1 decision is bloody ridiculous, sorry DOC but it is. Do we also replay the A-League grand final because of 1 inept referee whose diabolical decision 10 minutes into a Grand Final decisively changed the whole of that game??? Or do we replay the game that helped secure Arsenal a Champions League berth after a shocking decision by the referee to award a penalty for what seemed a clear dive??? Come on mate, get a grip here. I understand your distraught, and i also would be but logic tells you that Football has funny ways of throwing up results and you need to accept this as thats just how it is. What if Ireland took its chances, What if the referee saw the hand ball. Thats Football dude, theres what ifs and theres winners, unfortunately for you this time, its some what ifs

You've talked some shyte on here for a while but this really takes the cake

in this day and age if someone deliberately and obviously cheats to win a game and we can cleary see it then FIFA should have power to do something


spare me the whole perception thing