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Top goalscorers shouldn't be awarded in any division. It's a team effort. As for B&F I have a list of all the votes for saturday division six here. Points have only been awarded for 17 games out of a 56 game season which is a joke.Kitchimo wrote:I think the renaming of the 'C' divisions should also be done. And I question why B+Fs and Top Scorers can be awarded in those divisions where they primarily have club referees, whereas Reserve leagues don't.
i played a few times for our c team at vista and i know our home refs never did it, a lot of the home refs don't have time as they have to do b's games or get ready to play and don't really care about itMike Hunt wrote:Top goalscorers shouldn't be awarded in any division. It's a team effort. As for B&F I have a list of all the votes for saturday division six here. Points have only been awarded for 17 games out of a 56 game season which is a joke.Kitchimo wrote:I think the renaming of the 'C' divisions should also be done. And I question why B+Fs and Top Scorers can be awarded in those divisions where they primarily have club referees, whereas Reserve leagues don't.
Exactly in the minds of everyone Reserves are not recognised. They are a Division its called 'Premier League Reserves' so why dont they have B&F & top goalscorer. It cant be because Club Refs do games they do Div 8 & 10 games as well and if you ask the refs they will tell you they would prefer to do Premier League Reserves games than some of the lower divisions as the standard is higher and they will also as you said stay and do the line with the E&D young refs doing the other line.Left Right Out wrote:The thing is Lefty, the Reserves isnt a recognised league. In that I mean its not a Division in th SAASL, No League Best and Fairest. Div 8 or 10 may get refs and have a B&F but Reserves dont. But I agree with you it would be nice to have a ref for ressies and then he could stay to run a line in the main game and then Im sure they could find these trainee refs to do the other line. But id like it to include Sun Div 2 also!
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someone is a lil pissy they didn't get a B&F medal or trophy, just stick with the reserves cup runner up medal that will keep you happy for a whileKitchimo wrote:I think the renaming of the 'C' divisions should also be done. And I question why B+Fs and Top Scorers can be awarded in those divisions where they primarily have club referees, whereas Reserve leagues don't.
outlaw 1-0 kitchimoimanoutlaw wrote:someone is a lil pissy they didn't get a B&F medal or trophy, just stick with the reserves cup runner up medal that will keep you happy for a whileKitchimo wrote:I think the renaming of the 'C' divisions should also be done. And I question why B+Fs and Top Scorers can be awarded in those divisions where they primarily have club referees, whereas Reserve leagues don't.
Ha, not at all.DOC wrote:outlaw 1-0 kitchimoimanoutlaw wrote:someone is a lil pissy they didn't get a B&F medal or trophy, just stick with the reserves cup runner up medal that will keep you happy for a whileKitchimo wrote:I think the renaming of the 'C' divisions should also be done. And I question why B+Fs and Top Scorers can be awarded in those divisions where they primarily have club referees, whereas Reserve leagues don't.
Feel free to drop down to division 5 or 6 and become the leading goalscorer in the first team in the division and you will get all the recognition you want. I'm sure your club gave out best and fairest and leading goalscorer trophies this year so why don't you ask the guys that got those what it takes to earn one?? Otherwise feel free to pm me and I can let you knowKitchimo wrote:Ha, not at all.DOC wrote: outlaw 1-0 kitchimo
I think it's a bit hypocritical that a B+F award and Top Goalscorer award is given out in leagues (Saturday Division 5 and 6) refereed by club referees, yet the Reserve divisions don't get such recognition. Explain the logic?
imanoutlaw wrote:Feel free to drop down to division 5 or 6 and become the leading goalscorer in the first team in the division and you will get all the recognition you want. I'm sure your club gave out best and fairest and leading goalscorer trophies this year so why don't you ask the guys that got those what it takes to earn one?? Otherwise feel free to pm me and I can let you knowKitchimo wrote:Ha, not at all.DOC wrote: outlaw 1-0 kitchimo
I think it's a bit hypocritical that a B+F award and Top Goalscorer award is given out in leagues (Saturday Division 5 and 6) refereed by club referees, yet the Reserve divisions don't get such recognition. Explain the logic?
If you don't have anything constructive to say, why bother? I heard it from Bodø.DOC wrote:bodo didn't say anything, mike hunt did
In fact our b's and c's both won their respective divisions, but relegation for the a's was a serious threat until the second last week of the season.DOC wrote:your reserves could win the league and your still relegated if a's finish in the bottom two, and history would show that those with a good reserves set up prosper...
fair enough thenMike Hunt wrote:I heard it from Bodø.DOC wrote:bodo didn't say anything, mike hunt did
my point exactly, although c's have a division, most are past their prime and in it for a bit of a kick and to catch up with mates, they like it if they win but its not all about the title.Mike Hunt wrote:In fact our b's and c's both won their respective divisions, but relegation for the a's was a serious threat until the second last week of the season.DOC wrote:your reserves could win the league and your still relegated if a's finish in the bottom two, and history would show that those with a good reserves set up prosper...
I understand that, but aren't C grade matches exactly the same?DOC wrote:bodo didn't say anything, mike hunt did
reserve are a glorified friendly, not having a go as both myself and outlaw are involved in reserves at different clubs, and this is why their is nor refs and no awards, the team is there to create competition for the first team and to blood young players, players get recognised by moving into the a team set up and by club awards at the seasons end, where your club plays in dependent on the first team, your reserves could win the league and your still relegated if a's finish in the bottom two, and history would show that those with a good reserves set up prosper...
Lefty, I understand where you are coming from........but! I mentioned last year that all teams should nominate 1 or more home refs, SAASL could pay for them to go through a training course, then they could be nominated to ref a reserves game at a team close to where they live (wether it be div 1,2,3,4,5,or6) instead of their own home team and they should be paid the same wage. then the scorers would be noted and an unbiased 1,2,3, be noted on the team sheet. Why does it need to be an official referee? This (should) cut out the one eyed home ref syndrome. All players in SAASL pay the same rego fee in all divisions so why rob them of a first team official ref ? Maybe if you are still serious on your ideas then Premier league players could pay more rego fees than everyone else and I mean much more !lefty wrote:Exactly in the minds of everyone Reserves are not recognised. They are a Division its called 'Premier League Reserves' so why dont they have B&F & top goalscorer. It cant be because Club Refs do games they do Div 8 & 10 games as well and if you ask the refs they will tell you they would prefer to do Premier League Reserves games than some of the lower divisions as the standard is higher and they will also as you said stay and do the line with the E&D young refs doing the other line.Left Right Out wrote:The thing is Lefty, the Reserves isnt a recognised league. In that I mean its not a Division in th SAASL, No League Best and Fairest. Div 8 or 10 may get refs and have a B&F but Reserves dont. But I agree with you it would be nice to have a ref for ressies and then he could stay to run a line in the main game and then Im sure they could find these trainee refs to do the other line. But id like it to include Sun Div 2 also!
So what is the reason why SAASL doesnt recognise reserves? They certainly wanted to give more recognition to Div 1 by renaming it Premier League makes no sense to me why they wont consider it. Its time to change the mind set especially for Premier League forget Div 2 and below (sorry LRO this is what you get by being promoted to the top end of town
Does anyone know yet when the AGM is?
this is wasy to complecated for an amateur leagueGULLY BOYZ wrote:Lefty, I understand where you are coming from........but! I mentioned last year that all teams should nominate 1 or more home refs, SAASL could pay for them to go through a training course, then they could be nominated to ref a reserves game at a team close to where they live (wether it be div 1,2,3,4,5,or6) instead of their own home team and they should be paid the same wage. then the scorers would be noted and an unbiased 1,2,3, be noted on the team sheet. Why does it need to be an official referee? This (should) cut out the one eyed home ref syndrome. All players in SAASL pay the same rego fee in all divisions so why rob them of a first team official ref ? Maybe if you are still serious on your ideas then Premier league players could pay more rego fees than everyone else and I mean much more !lefty wrote:Exactly in the minds of everyone Reserves are not recognised. They are a Division its called 'Premier League Reserves' so why dont they have B&F & top goalscorer. It cant be because Club Refs do games they do Div 8 & 10 games as well and if you ask the refs they will tell you they would prefer to do Premier League Reserves games than some of the lower divisions as the standard is higher and they will also as you said stay and do the line with the E&D young refs doing the other line.Left Right Out wrote:The thing is Lefty, the Reserves isnt a recognised league. In that I mean its not a Division in th SAASL, No League Best and Fairest. Div 8 or 10 may get refs and have a B&F but Reserves dont. But I agree with you it would be nice to have a ref for ressies and then he could stay to run a line in the main game and then Im sure they could find these trainee refs to do the other line. But id like it to include Sun Div 2 also!
So what is the reason why SAASL doesnt recognise reserves? They certainly wanted to give more recognition to Div 1 by renaming it Premier League makes no sense to me why they wont consider it. Its time to change the mind set especially for Premier League forget Div 2 and below (sorry LRO this is what you get by being promoted to the top end of town
Does anyone know yet when the AGM is?
Agreed.fowlerisgod wrote:Cup comp for C grade!!!
This is the very thinking that gets us nowhere complicate the issue by clouding it with other issues which is what happens in government. Are you sure your not a politician or an espiring oneGULLY BOYZ wrote:Lefty, I understand where you are coming from........but! I mentioned last year that all teams should nominate 1 or more home refs, SAASL could pay for them to go through a training course, then they could be nominated to ref a reserves game at a team close to where they live (wether it be div 1,2,3,4,5,or6) instead of their own home team and they should be paid the same wage. then the scorers would be noted and an unbiased 1,2,3, be noted on the team sheet. Why does it need to be an official referee? This (should) cut out the one eyed home ref syndrome. All players in SAASL pay the same rego fee in all divisions so why rob them of a first team official ref ? Maybe if you are still serious on your ideas then Premier league players could pay more rego fees than everyone else and I mean much more !lefty wrote:Exactly in the minds of everyone Reserves are not recognised. They are a Division its called 'Premier League Reserves' so why dont they have B&F & top goalscorer. It cant be because Club Refs do games they do Div 8 & 10 games as well and if you ask the refs they will tell you they would prefer to do Premier League Reserves games than some of the lower divisions as the standard is higher and they will also as you said stay and do the line with the E&D young refs doing the other line.Left Right Out wrote:The thing is Lefty, the Reserves isnt a recognised league. In that I mean its not a Division in th SAASL, No League Best and Fairest. Div 8 or 10 may get refs and have a B&F but Reserves dont. But I agree with you it would be nice to have a ref for ressies and then he could stay to run a line in the main game and then Im sure they could find these trainee refs to do the other line. But id like it to include Sun Div 2 also!
So what is the reason why SAASL doesnt recognise reserves? They certainly wanted to give more recognition to Div 1 by renaming it Premier League makes no sense to me why they wont consider it. Its time to change the mind set especially for Premier League forget Div 2 and below (sorry LRO this is what you get by being promoted to the top end of town
Does anyone know yet when the AGM is?
.True, but reserve team players and first team players often pay the same rego, but one lot gets an official ref and the other lot doesn't. One lot will play 45 minutes each way and the other will be lucky to get more than 40. When I went around watching various teams play I only saw one reserves game which got a full 45 minutes each way.lefty wrote:What also has rego fees got to do with refs they get paid by clubs directly.
You say in your sentence you would like to see Premier league reserves have "official referees". So doesnt this mean with the amount of referees SAASL have at the moment, (and it may well stay the same amount of referees) and if this was to happen,then obviously quite a lot of teams are going to miss out ! What my point was, if Premier League was to get this wish ( god help us ), why then would the lower league clubs like you said (Div 2 - Div 5 ) players be paying the same rego fees to SAASL, to get non official referees !! Dont think thats too hard to work out mate !! Bit like flying business class, you want a bit better service, then you pay more than everyone else flying economy !!lefty wrote:Anyone know when it is? Nothing on the website
One thing I would like to see changed for next season is recognition of the Reserve Leagues in both Sat & Sun Premier League in particular official referees (I know for a fact that the refs want to do games but SAASL refuses to allow it). If we want to retain players both old & young to maintain the standard in the top league I think its essential that with give them recognition. Any thoughts.
It's 5 new refs on a Saturday and a Sunday. Crank out the ads at Adelaide and Flinders University. Entice the students with the fact that it's hobby pay and cash in hand and not 'employment' for the purposes of their student visas!GULLY BOYZ wrote:You say in your sentence you would like to see Premier league reserves have "official referees". So doesnt this mean with the amount of referees SAASL have at the moment, (and it may well stay the same amount of referees) and if this was to happen,then obviously quite a lot of teams are going to miss out ! What my point was, if Premier League was to get this wish ( god help us ), why then would the lower league clubs like you said (Div 2 - Div 5 ) players be paying the same rego fees to SAASL, to get non official referees !! Dont think thats too hard to work out mate !! Bit like flying business class, you want a bit better service, then you pay more than everyone else flying economy !!lefty wrote:Anyone know when it is? Nothing on the website
One thing I would like to see changed for next season is recognition of the Reserve Leagues in both Sat & Sun Premier League in particular official referees (I know for a fact that the refs want to do games but SAASL refuses to allow it). If we want to retain players both old & young to maintain the standard in the top league I think its essential that with give them recognition. Any thoughts.
PS...New changerooms look a million $$$........... $1 for every hour it took to build them !
