ffsa & state id champs = BS

[johnydep]

North West JSA

How does that work?

They have been part of the FFSA for a couple of years now, I believe this is the official agreement of both groups joining; http://juniors.ffsa.com.au/displaynews_ ... =95&mid=67

[tactics]

tell me if im wrong but talent id champs are u11 to u14 but all is spoken of u11 only having scouts
i happen to watch every under 14 game and i noticed 3 players that stood out in every game, 2 players from north and 1 player from country.now my question is are they to old to get noticed or was no one there to look at 14s.
also every year there is a player of the tournament why not this year as i think the country number 14 dipped out and both from north would of been very close. look forward to a response from johny depp

[Stitch This]

Valkanis and Alagich watched at least some of the East vs North U14 game

AFAIK last year coaches voted on the opposition players to determine the individual players of the tournament. This didn't happen this year, but the refs were asked to do 321s so there may yet be something forthcoming. As yet FFSA has not updated their web site with anything from the weekend.

Not sure players of the tournament are such a good thing anyway in this environment.

[johnydep]

tell me if im wrong but talent id champs are u11 to u14 but all is spoken of u11 only having scouts
i happen to watch every under 14 game and i noticed 3 players that stood out in every game, 2 players from north and 1 player from country.now my question is are they to old to get noticed or was no one there to look at 14s.
also every year there is a player of the tournament why not this year as i think the country number 14 dipped out and both from north would of been very close. look forward to a response from johny depp

The ID is for all ages, I only commented on the U11 because I was coach of the U11 West team. What were the players names from North?

[tactics]

players from north
sweeper liam lawless (not sure about spelling) very consistant whole tournament
cant believe he plays for croydon under14 b team
striker brandon reeves raiders under 14s outstanding in north v east game also consistant
surely valkanis and alagich noticed them if they watched north v east

[Stitch This]

players from north
sweeper liam lawless (not sure about spelling) very consistant whole tournament
......

Can't argue with that - would be my top pic.

surely valkanis and alagich noticed them if they watched north v east

Quite possibly did, but I think you'll find the way any selection of the U14s (next year's U15s) is approached would be different from the U11s. Remember there is already an U14 State team playing up at Coffs.

[tactics]

i realise the under 14 state side is playing but i would think that players get asked to trial for state sides for the following year or age group because kids develop soccer at different speeds i have noticed that players from previous years in state sides have been dropped because i assume kids developing later in life and more than likely come across a coach that teaches them to greater soccer ability.

[Stitch This]

I am sure when the U14 State side returns and the current coach sits down with those who were taking notes at STIC, they will then be able to make any decisions as to whose in and whose out for next year.

[rooboy1986]

The referees were an academy group ranging from 15 years old to 25 years old. They were not paid to be there. They were there to develop their skills and be assessed by mentors who were on each pitch. If you read the programme it does say that players, coaches and referees are all part of the program for path ways in the sport in different areas.

I thought the refs did an ok job better then some if these 50 yo normally out there just for the money.

Hopefully the referees leary more about the game and their roles and this event aided their development similar to players and coaches.

Sounds like the FFSA is just doing things on the cheap... surprise surprise!!

[Man City Over 35s]

8 boys from the U11 West were given notices by scouts on the weekend.

Which clubs were they from?

I know that 8 players from Adelaide City played for East & West U11..

[The Boss]

The whole thing is a bit like the Seinfeld show. "A show about nothing"

One day you guys will work it out for yourselves and see that the higher you go, the self interest and nepotism also grows.
(not to mention the costs, too)

Been there done that.

[johnydep]

The whole thing is a bit like the Seinfeld show. "A show about nothing"

One day you guys will work it out for yourselves and see that the higher you go, the self interest and nepotism also grows.
(not to mention the costs, too)

Been there done that.

But it was fun for all the viewers and participants

[Black Hawk]

I was happy with the standard of refereeing I saw. It was good to see the experienced ref's also mentoring.

As for the STIC, what player would not want to play with and against the best 80 in his/her age group. Fantastic opportunity for all.

[Luke Chant]

I was happy with the standard of refereeing I saw. It was good to see the experienced ref's also mentoring.

As for the STIC, what player would not want to play with and against the best 80 in his/her age group. Fantastic opportunity for all.

Clearly you didnt watch the U11 West v North. I actually ended up feeling sorry for the referee. She was doing her best but was just out of her depth. The best goal I have ever seen was dissalowed in the worst circumstances.

The kid dribbled over half the field and shot from about 20 yards ( I was at the other end so could not be quite sure) smacks into the top corner. The linesman called offside because two kids were standing an offside position despite the fact they were not involved in any way.

The kid was obviously very dissapointed as in all seriousness he play 20 years and never score a goal that good again. A massive thanks to a parent from the other team who went up to him after the game gave him $10 and told him what an amazing goal it was.

The ref was doing her best but had just learnt all the rules yet. It was unfair on her to put her in that situation.

As I said in another thread the competition was brilliant and thought this issue aside the FFSA did a great job. I am not sure what all the complaining is about.

[beskid]

It was West v South U11, the goal of the tournament without a doubt. My son played for South.
I was glad West scored another one with 1 minute b4 final whistle, because the offsiede decision wouldve cost them the final(I think)

[Stitch This]

A massive thanks to a parent from the other team who went up to him after the game gave him $10 and told him what an amazing goal it was.

What a great example to everyone.......Money makes all life's little problems go away

[Luke Chant]

A massive thanks to a parent from the other team who went up to him after the game gave him $10 and told him what an amazing goal it was.

What a great example to everyone.......Money makes all life's little problems go away

You are missing the point. The kids goal was dissallowed he was devastated. The other parent was simply acknowledging that it was a great goal and should have been allowed.

I think it was well done.

[Luke Chant]

It was West v South U11, the goal of the tournament without a doubt. My son played for South.
I was glad West scored another one with 1 minute b4 final whistle, because the offsiede decision wouldve cost them the final(I think)

Sorry you are right West v South. The result did not actually matter. South had to beat us by 10 goals for us to miss the final. So it didnt matter from that point of view but it did matter to the boy who scored the goal.

[Nice One Cyril]

Next time Jermain Defoe has a goal disallowed for offside I'm going to mail him a tenner to cheer him up.

We can't play the game without them and referees have got to learn somewhere, so where better than the little kids? Officials at all levels make mistakes and the players had better learn from a young age that sometimes it's in your favour and sometimes not.

Nice thought from the opposition parent, although a pat on the head and a kind word would probably suffice.

[beskid]

what was the name of the kid? i think he was no.12

[johnydep]

what was the name of the kid? i think he was no.12

Zak. Fantastic goal. Thanks to the South coach (Andrew Curtis); great sportsmanship.
The goal should never have been disallowed, but please remember that at the end of the day we all play by the rules and the adults need to lead the kids by example (even though it was very hard under those circumstances). The U11W team got on with the game and managed to get one back, then thanked the officials, the other team and celebrated hard and loud

[Facts and Stats]

Was it the ref or linesman that said it was offside? If the linesman said it was, maybe the ref didn't make a mistake, you have to trust the linesmen, unless you are certain they have made the error.

[muts]

the adults need to lead the kids by example ... got on with the game and managed to get one back, then thanked the officials, the other team and celebrated hard and loud

So who was the adult, leading by example, that had to be dragged away whilst berating the officials after that game?

[johnydep]

the adults need to lead the kids by example ... got on with the game and managed to get one back, then thanked the officials, the other team and celebrated hard and loud

So who was the adult, leading by example, that had to be dragged away whilst berating the officials after that game?

I don't know, I went over shook hands with the officials and told all to forget it, but do you want to continue with this? Do you want me to bring up other examples from a team? I lead my team as best as I could and most other coaches did as well; I was extremely impressed by the coach from South U11. All coaches were gracious after the games, win or loss. Lets leave the tournament in a positive light.

[johnydep]

Was it the ref or linesman that said it was offside? If the linesman said it was, maybe the ref didn't make a mistake, you have to trust the linesmen, unless you are certain they have made the error.

The ref called it as a goal, all the kids went back to their positions ready to start when the linesman called the ref over; so it was the linesman that called the offside.

The South defence were running up to clear the back line, the North player dribbled 3 players from his half & into the oppositions half. A West forward was caught offside but he was not interfering with play and the ball or any player were anywhere near him. West player with ball took a cracker shot from about 18 yards, which curved and dipped into the top left corner.

After the game the officials admitted the mistake. I'd hate to be a referee or linesman but someones got to do it, hopefully everyone has learnt a great deal from the weekend.

Lets get over it and celebrate what a great weekend it was.

Well done to all involved.

[Jeda]

the adults need to lead the kids by example ... got on with the game and managed to get one back, then thanked the officials, the other team and celebrated hard and loud

So who was the adult, leading by example, that had to be dragged away whilst berating the officials after that game?

is that a serious question shit man, there were coaches out there that forgot that the tournament was meant for the kids, instead they went for the all out win with screaming & abuse i heard your coach from the other side of the grounds & that is why the ffsa is a waste of money did they monitor the stupid coaches, did they tell the idiots to calm down no they just took everyones money

[Big Mac]

I am very surprised that the FFSA demand that during the regular season ground marshalls are required for all matches (which is sensible), yet for this event there were no ground marshalls at all???? Why FFSA?
I heard a 10 year old being abused from opposition supporters. I heard a Coach tell a 10 year old to take a dive when in the box, and then turn around and swear in front of his bench. Some coaches were there to showcase the players talents, unfortunately others weren't.
It did appear that one Zone and its supporters forgot the real purpose of the event, from the various matches I saw.

[takeonthekeeper]

i think Jeda you forget the point of the comp - development . that is for everyone including the refs . some of the refs it was there first game so give them a break. the whole comp was great for the players and coaches. by the way the 3-2-1 votes were not counted. i could name a number off players that could be picked for the state teams for the future from that comp. the 16 girls where scouted by the sasi coach for the trials for next year's team.

give the refs and ffsa a break. if you could do a so much better job , why dont you volunteer next year . im sure your help will be greatly appreciated

[Jeda]

i think Jeda you forget the point of the comp - development . that is for everyone including the refs . some of the refs it was there first game so give them a break. the whole comp was great for the players and coaches. by the way the 3-2-1 votes were not counted. i could name a number off players that could be picked for the state teams for the future from that comp. the 16 girls where scouted by the sasi coach for the trials for next year's team.

give the refs and ffsa a break. if you could do a so much better job , why dont you volunteer next year . im sure your help will be greatly appreciated

always excuses rather than solutions if you throw a kid into the deep end make sure you have a rescue plan the ffsa should have had an experienced official involved in the game, maybe as a linesman to correct a first timers mistake me volunteer i always offer my services but I'm not one of the boys - it's not what you know....

ffsa = amatuers

[Luke Chant]

i think Jeda you forget the point of the comp - development . that is for everyone including the refs . some of the refs it was there first game so give them a break. the whole comp was great for the players and coaches. by the way the 3-2-1 votes were not counted. i could name a number off players that could be picked for the state teams for the future from that comp. the 16 girls where scouted by the sasi coach for the trials for next year's team.

give the refs and ffsa a break. if you could do a so much better job , why dont you volunteer next year . im sure your help will be greatly appreciated

always excuses rather than solutions if you throw a kid into the deep end make sure you have a rescue plan the ffsa should have had an experienced official involved in the game, maybe as a linesman to correct a first timers mistake me volunteer i always offer my services but I'm not one of the boys - it's not what you know....

ffsa = amatuers

I dissagree mate. They are not amatuers. The tournament was run to identify talent. As far as I can see they did just that.

Every game (that I was involved in) started on time.
There were refs for every game (of varied experience )
There was suitable catering
Photos were arranged and were taken at the time they said they were going to be
Uniforms were supplied well in advance and looked good.
Fees were very reasonable

What else could they have done to make it better?

It was run to identify talent it did that and they ran it well.