Palermo vs West Ham every away fans nightmare....

Pinturicchio · Post by **Pinturicchio** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:09 am

what goes around comes around

Post by **Randoman** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:17 am

you're an idiot. its comin to different people

Pinturicchio · Post by **Pinturicchio** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:19 am

why do you think the italian supporters dislike the english ones so much...

English football hit its nadir at the Hysel stadium in Brussels on May 29th. All the ills of the game came together at the summit of European football: the final of the Champions Cup, Liverpool v Juventus. And when the dust had settled 39 people were dead and more than 400 injured.

The catalogue of mistakes that led to this tragedy indicted everybody involved in the game. The stadium was a crumbling dinosaur; the fans were drunk, many of them ticket-less and there was no proper segregation; the policing was so inadequate that sticks, bottles and iron bars were easily smuggled into the stadium The facts of the incident were commonplace, it could have happened at almost any average English ground. The outcome was appalling.

Two sets of rival fans taunted each other, hurling insults and missiles, and Liverpool fans charged Juventus fans three times. The third time Juventus fans tried to run to safety, but there was no way out. An old wall collapsed under the pressure and in the ensuing panic people tumbled over each other and crushed each other to death. Meanwhile the police were using batons to clear the area while people lay dying. The FA reacted by withdrawing English clubs from European football and Prime Minister Thatcher demanded quick solutions.

Post by **Randoman** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:22 am

yeh thanks for that. now explain to me how "what goes around" means kids and women gettin the crap kicked out of them....

kewell10 · Post by **kewell10** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:24 am

im sure the west ham kids who werent born yet, had something to do with the heysel disaster

Pinturicchio · Post by **Pinturicchio** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:24 am

im not trying to make it seem fair im just trying to say thats life...dont u think women and children died at the cup final...thats just how this shit works

Post by **Randoman** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:27 am

what goes around comes around would be if it happened to the liverpool supporters there that day.

chances are that few of these hammers deserved it

CR7 · Post by **CR7** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:32 am

italians pick on the women and children cause they r dogs easy targets 4 them. DOGS!

Aldo Serena · Post by **Aldo Serena** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:40 am

Rooney8 wrote:italians pick on the women and children cause they r dogs easy targets 4 them. DOGS!

Relax with the racial slurs...

diegom · Post by **diegom** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:35 am

WANK WANK
load of crap story.....
If it actually did happen....no-one would b alive to tell the story

All jokes aside, many times we have heard stories about this team and that, as much as its a real problem in football, FIFA needs to stamp out this violence and protect the innocence.
I do not condone this rubbish racial attacks and believe that those who attack minor groups, are a worthless piece of SH!T.

Whats happened in the past, stays in the past and people need to move on. Yeah the english supporters are and have been the most hated because of their hooligalism (look at the events in June in Germany), but their are unfortunate innocent people who have to suffer because of a small no of D!CKHEADS. So if that story did happen above - I am appalled, but I think its properly been over ezagerated?

avenell_road · Post by **avenell_road** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:45 am

*Del*Piero* wrote:why do you think the italian supporters dislike the english ones so much...

English football hit its nadir at the Hysel stadium in Brussels on May 29th. All the ills of the game came together at the summit of European football: the final of the Champions Cup, Liverpool v Juventus. And when the dust had settled 39 people were dead and more than 400 injured.

The catalogue of mistakes that led to this tragedy indicted everybody involved in the game. The stadium was a crumbling dinosaur; the fans were drunk, many of them ticket-less and there was no proper segregation; the policing was so inadequate that sticks, bottles and iron bars were easily smuggled into the stadium The facts of the incident were commonplace, it could have happened at almost any average English ground. The outcome was appalling.

Two sets of rival fans taunted each other, hurling insults and missiles, and Liverpool fans charged Juventus fans three times. The third time Juventus fans tried to run to safety, but there was no way out. An old wall collapsed under the pressure and in the ensuing panic people tumbled over each other and crushed each other to death. Meanwhile the police were using batons to clear the area while people lay dying. The FA reacted by withdrawing English clubs from European football and Prime Minister Thatcher demanded quick solutions.

And you think the Juventus fans were blameless for what happened at Heysel? Idiot.

Hooliganism was rife all over Europe, not just in England. Every major footballing country was as bad as each other. Of course we heard more about the English hooligans just like we hear more about English football generally in Australia. These days "the ultras" in Italy and their equivalents in other countries are the worst around.

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:19 am

diegom wrote:WANK WANK
load of crap story.....
If it actually did happen....no-one would b alive to tell the story

All jokes aside, many times we have heard stories about this team and that, as much as its a real problem in football, FIFA needs to stamp out this violence and protect the innocence.
I do not condone this rubbish racial attacks and believe that those who attack minor groups, are a worthless piece of SH!T.

Whats happened in the past, stays in the past and people need to move on. Yeah the english supporters are and have been the most hated because of their hooligalism (look at the events in June in Germany), but their are unfortunate innocent people who have to suffer because of a small no of D!CKHEADS. So if that story did happen above - I am appalled, but I think its properly been over ezagerated?

agreed, the report is from a fkn west ham supporter... wat a crock of shit... but what would the west ham fans expect a fkn welcoming party?? they should have worn their Mafia t-shirts they wore at Upton Park to Palermo and see how far they would have gotten with them on... either way the hammers got hammered 4-0 over two legs, get over it... cherish the experience, we wont be seeing west ham in europe for another 10 years!

Cesc Fabregas · Post by **Cesc Fabregas** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:31 am

well what do u expect when they make t-shirts saying west ham v the mafia!

of course the sicilians wouldn't be happy about that...and lets face it the poms are bloody hooligans and start trouble all the time

Wild Eagle · Post by **Wild Eagle** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:39 am

It is unbelievable that over 20 years after the Heysel tragedy people are still blaming both sets of fans and not the real criminals: UEFA and Belgian authoritise for organising such a venue and declaring it fit.

All structures should be prepared for sudden movement of huge amounts of people, that was a piss poor structure and the real criminals should be brought to justice, never mind the violent supporters.

thierry · Post by **thierry** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:50 am

im gonna lmao if palermo get drawn an english team next, they r gonna get a beating of a lifetime, home and away. suckers.

El Pibe D'Oro · Post by **El Pibe D'Oro** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:56 am

Watch it with the racial garbage Rooney8 you bigot. You probably werent even born when it all happened and wouldnt understand what it meant to a lot of ppl.

People like you give the English a bad name.

arxidi · Post by **arxidi** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:01 am

i dont agree with this, but i must say the english have brought this upon themselves. english hooliganism in football matches over years has not gone by unnoticed and supporters have had enough.

to top it off, all european party spots (e.g. greek islands, italy, croatia) are full of english drunks that start trouble.

sorry guys, but the english are not very much loved in europe, and if u look at the situation from an outsiders perspective u can see why.

im not saying that all english folk are like this, but its the few loud ones that give u guys a bad name. (a bit like nai ego eimai gives the greeks a bad name)

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:05 am

thierry wrote:im gonna lmao if palermo get drawn an english team next, they r gonna get a beating of a lifetime, home and away. suckers.

they drew Newcaslte in the group stage...

ruud · Post by **ruud** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:17 am

ruud · Post by **ruud** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:27 am

arxidi wrote:sorry guys, but the english are not very much loved in europe, and if u look at the situation from an outsiders perspective u can see why.

well now palermo fans can be put in this category aswell

i hope they are proud...

El Pibe D'Oro · Post by **El Pibe D'Oro** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:35 am

With regards to that comment, I think its a general thing. If you go to France, Italy, Greece, Spain they all have a low opinion of the English and it hasnt got a lot to do with Football.

avenell_road · Post by **avenell_road** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:53 pm

Scudetto8687 wrote:With regards to that comment, I think its a general thing. If you go to France, Italy, Greece, Spain they all have a low opinion of the English and it hasnt got a lot to do with Football.

The countries you mentioned also have the worst reputation for racism against blacks in football, especially Spain and Italy. So I'm not sure their prejudices have much merit.

Joe King · Post by **Joe King** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:47 pm

Wow...I'm surprised at the anti -Pom comments. Didn't think that Italians were that racist...particularly the forumites. Ah well live and learn !

El Pibe D'Oro · Post by **El Pibe D'Oro** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:49 pm

How is what I said racist Joe??

Im just telling you what I know and that is if you speak to people from those countries, that is the general feel, probably has more to do with Govt policies when it comes to teh European Commission.

Sorry for having an opinion.

ruud · Post by **ruud** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:22 pm

everyone is entitled to arxidi's opinion

Post by **Randoman** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:49 pm

glass houses and stone throwing.

english, italians, spanish, germans - they all have an element of hooliganism or racism in their game.

cut all this, "you're worse than us" crap

P. Diddy · Post by **P. Diddy** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:32 pm

glass houses and stone throwing.

english, italians, spanish, germans - they all have an element of hooliganism or racism in their game.

cut all this, "you're worse than us" crap

.....as do Australians (seen plenty of brawls at the footy and cricket). The point is, I don't think any particular race of people are more hooligan than others. There are d#ckheads everywhere and once they get a bit of piss into them, the mob mentality comes out.

The real problem lies with the appropriate authorities dealing with the trouble-makers, and it can probably be argued that the Italian FA and clubs are slow to sort out the fans that cause trouble (unlike the English authorities who have worked hard to remove the hooligan element from the game).

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:59 pm

P. Diddy wrote:
glass houses and stone throwing.

english, italians, spanish, germans - they all have an element of hooliganism or racism in their game.

cut all this, "you're worse than us" crap
.....as do Australians (seen plenty of brawls at the footy and cricket). The point is, I don't think any particular race of people are more hooligan than others. There are d#ckheads everywhere and once they get a bit of piss into them, the mob mentality comes out.

The real problem lies with the appropriate authorities dealing with the trouble-makers, and it can probably be argued that the Italian FA and clubs are slow to sort out the fans that cause trouble (unlike the English authorities who have worked hard to remove the hooligan element from the game).

I agree there are d1ckheads everywhere, just look at this at forum and you have ronaldo07... but to say English authorities have done more than most is a crock of shyte... is that why West Ham sold tops "West Ham v The Mafia"?

Post by **Randoman** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:16 pm

english authorities probably have done more than most, they had a shocking reputation but have worked hard to change that. they suspended 1000's of passports before the world cup, invoked police visits to previous offenders, etc....