club with good U13 coach?

vertical shift · Post by **vertical shift** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:22 pm

Hi all
I'm looking for a club with a good U13 coach. Any recommendations?

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:51 pm

birkalla

vertical shift · Post by **vertical shift** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:55 am

Bill,
can you pls tell me what attributes about this coach impress you? (by the way, who is the coach?)

lk5chn · Post by **lk5chn** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:30 am

it has got to goto the cumberland coach. he has been great 4 the club

vertical shift · Post by **vertical shift** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:42 am

but will he be the U13 coach next season? and again, what do you feel makes him a 'good' coach?

CLUB · Post by **CLUB** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:42 am

Adelaide city has good coaches in all teams.

Wild Eagle · Post by **Wild Eagle** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:26 am

It is a fairly subjective call to make and also I am not sure whether all coaching positions have been filled for season 2007.

It depends on where you are based, if I were you I would look for clubs with a good reputation and try out at a couple, that might give you a better idea of coaching style and person you want your son to be spending time with.

Adelaide City will have a very solid person in charge of 13s, that I know of: honest, respectful, knowledgable and fair.

It depends what a good coach is, but that is another topic for another day.

I wish you the best of luck in your search, make sure you look around and don't settle for anything less than 'the best possible' for your children.

(Again, 'the best' is subjective and only you can decide what you are looking for)

I hope it helps

vertical shift · Post by **vertical shift** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:55 pm

honest, respectful, knowledgable and fair. Those are the type of attributes I'm looking for. Over the weekend my son took part in the Zone Trials. The purpose of these is for ALL the kid's to have a run. Most coaches tried to rotate the kid's so they all got a run in every game. In the last game (play-off for 1st & 2nd) THREE kid's sat on the bench. That destroyed their confidence and and self worth. That to me is enexcusable. PERIOD. So it's time to look for a new coach. And a complaint to the people who run this event.

Vanilla · Post by **Vanilla** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:41 pm

Vertical its a bit of a tough call on the Coach you are talking about. There would be as many parents putting pressure on him to win as to be fair to all players. I think it is important to learn when you get to that standard that sometimes .....and I mean sometimes...the best team on the park is best for all?

Filikis Eterias · Post by **Filikis Eterias** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:06 pm

Vertical how much time did your lad get in the previous games.
If hardly any then you have a legitimite complaint but come to the final & reality is all wanna win.
You must also remember this is an elite competition. Next step is state.
Try complaining there that your son sat the whole final on the bench.
Time to take a reality check dear sir.

arxidi · Post by **arxidi** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:14 pm

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:29 pm

birkalla coach aint good i no a few players from the 13s birkalla nd they say he is shit nd he cant b that good considerin they just got relegated

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:35 pm

im talkin bout next years coach, not this years.

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:57 pm

jaffa wrote:birkalla coach aint good i no a few players from the 13s birkalla nd they say he is cabernet nd he cant b that good considerin they just got relegated

You plonker jaffa, so a team gets relegated and you take a pop at the coach, unless you have first hand knowledge/experience of this team/club/coach then you must know Jack.

Vanilla · Post by **Vanilla** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:16 am

Coach at Birks 13's for the last half of the year was great from what i hear - and its a good source. They also got put into A's only 6-8 weeks before the season so it was a bit hard to build the team at that point. Agree with barney - you can only deal with what you have so relegation has nothin to do with the Coach in this case.

A little birdy also tells me the coach for the 13's will be a real super star this year so look out!!!!

Andy_Pipkin · Post by **Andy_Pipkin** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:05 am

Real World wrote:Coach at Birks 13's for the last half of the year was great from what i hear - and its a good source. They also got put into A's only 6-8 weeks before the season so it was a bit hard to build the team at that point. Agree with barney - you can only deal with what you have so relegation has nothin to do with the Coach in this case.

A little birdy also tells me the coach for the 13's will be a real super star this year so look out!!!!

Any truth in the rumour that "Bill Shankly" will be the coach ??

Wild Eagle · Post by **Wild Eagle** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:59 am

Real World: whether parents put pressure or not, there are Team Managers to take care of that side, the coach has a duty and commitment to the players, to make sure they have fun and they learn.

There is a saying in football that you are only as strong as your weakest link; what is the aim, hiding this link or making it stronger?

Gremio: Reality check? These kids are 12, they all paid the same money and they must play the same time; it's not Champions League!

If we start creating 1st and 2nd class players within the same team, we might as well pack up and stop trying to develop anyone.

Interchange is there to be used, I would rather play everyone and come last than win by playing only the strongest 11...

are you guys for real?!?

Vertical Shift: don't give up in your search, your child's happiness, confidence and enjoyment are all that must count.

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:44 am

Wild Eagle, I am with you 100% on this one

BillShankly · Post by **BillShankly** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:16 am

mu4ever wrote:
Real World wrote:Coach at Birks 13's for the last half of the year was great from what i hear - and its a good source. They also got put into A's only 6-8 weeks before the season so it was a bit hard to build the team at that point. Agree with barney - you can only deal with what you have so relegation has nothin to do with the Coach in this case.

A little birdy also tells me the coach for the 13's will be a real super star this year so look out!!!!
Any truth in the rumour that "Bill Shankly" will be the coach ??

close, but no cigar ;)

fayigatsidoi · Post by **fayigatsidoi** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:31 am

Barney Rubble wrote:
jaffa wrote:birkalla coach aint good i no a few players from the 13s birkalla nd they say he is cabernet nd he cant b that good considerin they just got relegated
You plonker jaffa, so a team gets relegated and you take a pop at the coach, unless you have first hand knowledge/experience of this team/club/coach then you must know Jack.

A VERY SHALLOW AN UNTHOUGHTFULL STATEMENT!!!!

Did you ever consider that perhaps the players may be in their initial developement phase and that developement comes at a cost of relegation.
I dont know anything about the birkalla coach or team but at the TOROS, the club took the stance that the u13b kids needed developement first. After assessment it was clear they werent going to win many. Hence the cost of trying to win by mixing the kids from other teams and leaving many players on the bench or excluding them from playing would mean the focus on developement of the kids would come at the price of losing many of the players interest and love of the sport. It would come at a cost of building strong foundations for the future for the kids and the club. Because that was the group Toros had the coach was given the directive to DEVELOPE for the future. If he had better players those kids would have been on the developement bench and on the promise that they are being developed as the focus. But clubs do what they can with the groups they get.
In any case the coach did a fantastic job and the kids skills as individuals and as a team unit improved right out of this world..but the scores dont reflect that....and at this age who cares?

An example of the story is this......a few years ago the Toros had a group of boys that lost every single game while they focused on developement . Not everyone could see the big picture, particulary some of the parents who had the potential to do the worst harm to the kids moral and at the same time the potential to encourage them to their best efforts. Luckily through liason with the club, 98% of them stuck it out. IN the meantime the club was new and recieved ridicule for their efforts by many within the sport and out of the sport.

This year those same kids that have come up through the ranks comprised the u14c team in the JPL that won the championship in their league.

They won the enfield junior cup this year.

Eight of the players were selected by their rival club coaches to participate in the State Junior championships western zone in the u13 and u14 teams . See the booklet.

One of the lads has been in the State junior team for two years and participated in the championships this year in sydney.

The goal keeper who came later in the club was developed and currently has been approached by a number of clubs for u17s positions. He didint get a game for the first six months. Unfortunately some of these clubs are the very ones that would not give him a go when he was 11 because he had no skills. Thank god his father remembers.

There were even games this year where the club had to insist that they had to be filmed for future proof of the eligibility of our players due to the lack of player ids to ward of the continual speculation that they were stacking the team and using over age players and cheating.....extremely sad.

Most importantly the parents of the team are a loyal lot and contribute to the foundation of the club.

Hopefully these very juniors will participate in the clubs senior mens team in the new state league which is undergoing the very same developement .

Perhaps you should first ask what your child will gain personally from participating in the clubs instead of looking at results.

The cold hard facts are that only the best skilled kids that can prove their worth on the field play for Australia.....not what team they played for that won when they were 12 0r 13.

In the meantime to all the good coahes that recieve little or no thanks or accolades keep up the good work because you guys are special.

Filikis Eterias · Post by **Filikis Eterias** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:40 pm

Talk about blowing your own clubs trumpet about your club being super developers of young players. Simple fact that you won the 14C because the African lad up front is clearly 2/3 years at least above age. I am well aware of what his immigration papers may or may not state but he's a year 10 or 11 at school. Also i was told he played 17's at an other club last yr because they realised how unfair it would of been to play him any lower.
Funny how in the last game he got sent off & we beat them 3-0.
Even funnier is how this boy WAS NOT nominated for zones by his club when he was clearly the stand out in his team.
Toro's you got a long way to go.

fayigatsidoi · Post by **fayigatsidoi** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:02 am

gremio wrote:Talk about blowing your own clubs trumpet about your club being super developers of young players. Simple fact that you won the 14C because the African lad up front is clearly 2/3 years at least above age. I am well aware of what his immigration papers may or may not state but he's a year 10 or 11 at school. Also i was told he played 17's at an other club last yr because they realised how unfair it would of been to play him any lower.
Funny how in the last game he got sent off & we beat them 3-0.
Even funnier is how this boy WAS NOT nominated for zones by his club when he was clearly the stand out in his team.
Toro's you got a long way to go.

I think you should come out to the club and meet this young man....year 10 or 11 LMFAO....for christ sake..he hasnt played any other club because nobody would give him a go..........how do you think he was selected for state?......he was in the western zone state team when he was spotted? have you got the right club friend..........and if you think we are SUPER DEVELOPERS i take that as a compliment....but the story has a point that a coach shouldnt be judged by results and relegation because there may be more in it than meets the eye................you have missed the point!!!!

Filikis Eterias · Post by **Filikis Eterias** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:47 am

Buddy i'm talking about African lad up front. He's never played zone let alone state. Got sent off in your final game of the year. Tell me about him.

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:24 pm

I thought the idea of a forum is to keep it short and simple.

662 words

is a bit too many fayigatsidoi did you take a breath in between ?

fayigatsidoi · Post by **fayigatsidoi** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:03 pm

gremio wrote:Buddy i'm talking about African lad up front. He's never played zone let alone state. Got sent off in your final game of the year. Tell me about him.

Played zone last october weekend.......he was asked to attend state trials u17s.

milkyway · Post by **milkyway** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:38 pm

MetroStars u13 coaches for 2007;
Paul Franken/ Rob Lopresti (former senior squad members)
With the guidance of Ennio Luongo (junior coaching coordinator) and Claudio Catalano (player development coordinator)

Filikis Eterias · Post by **Filikis Eterias** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:42 pm

Played zone last october weekend.......he was asked to attend state trials u17s.[/quote]

That boy has never played zones.
My point is that you boast about your 14C's achievements yet i say you won that league by playing a boy that is clearly 2 or 3 older than 14.

fayigatsidoi · Post by **fayigatsidoi** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:49 am

gremio wrote:Played zone last october weekend.......he was asked to attend state trials u17s.

That boy has never played zones.
My point is that you boast about your 14C's achievements yet i say you won that league by playing a boy that is clearly 2 or 3 older than 14.[/quote]

Sorry dood i was talking about our goalie, but you seem to forget that for the lad up front to perform the team has to perform with him....you must have an issue with him hey.

Filikis Eterias · Post by **Filikis Eterias** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:04 pm

NO issue with him but my piont being you play a 17 yr old in u/14's then boast how good your team/club is.

fayigatsidoi · Post by **fayigatsidoi** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:41 am

gremio wrote:NO issue with him but my piont being you play a 17 yr old in u/14's then boast how good your team/club is.

do you think we should get him a sponsorship deal with gillette?