Sat League + Cup Results 13/06/09

[To Mati]

Apparently they had 3 regular first team players who weren't cup tied, but we had two and a guy that has also recently signed for us who will play first team.

Why not use the regular B Team????

I think it is a bit of an oxymoron to call ANY B team 'regular', as all B teams aren't. Ours definitely isn't !

The Cup is different to the League. You have to put your best team on the park to win it. We didn't stack our Reserves in the 1st Round of the Cup, nor our Cs. It just worked out that two A players couldn't play in the game on the Sunday in the first round.

It should please you that despite our A/C/D teams not playing, our Es beat Flinders with a regular line-up.

If you had a couple of regular A's players, surely that means they regularly do NOT play B's so why play them in the B's??? That's almost as good as an advantgage. Why do you consider the cup different to the league?

[waawaa]

Was disappointing to be told by the ref at the end of the game that half their 'A' team were playing, we travel all the way from Port Elliot to be completely outplayed and have our noses rubbed into the dirt by a team of Div 1 players who showed no respect for our young kids and elder players too, by whinging at every decision that didn't go their way, bagging the linesman and being cocky about what the score was.
Sour grapes, you bet we are.

i have heard it all now.



i guess if we had shown you your deserved respect you might have won??????

[Paleon Patros Germanos]

Apparently they had 3 regular first team players who weren't cup tied, but we had two and a guy that has also recently signed for us who will play first team.

Why not use the regular B Team????

I think it is a bit of an oxymoron to call ANY B team 'regular', as all B teams aren't. Ours definitely isn't !

The Cup is different to the League. You have to put your best team on the park to win it. We didn't stack our Reserves in the 1st Round of the Cup, nor our Cs. It just worked out that two A players couldn't play in the game on the Sunday in the first round.

If you had a couple of regular A's players, surely that means they regularly do NOT play B's so why play them in the B's??? That's almost as good as an advantgage. Why do you consider the cup different to the league?

I dont think Kitchimo is complaining that Gleeson had a couple of A's players. In fact I think he is saying that as they had a couple, any "advantage" was negated.

[To Mati]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:

No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.

Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

[Master Kong]

Adelaide Villa Reserve Cup side
Excuse spelling, team sheet hard to read
Ellul
Ceracchio
Guifreda
Scalzi
Derosa
Naylor
Rossi
Stihltavo
Tarasenko
Beatrice
Musci
Subs: Giglio, Lonardo, Finocchio

[Paleon Patros Germanos]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:

No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.

Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

Do they further define regular?

I have some sort of memory of a percentile being used to define whether an A player can play in the Reserves in the League.

I was always of the opinion if a player was not cup-tied to the A's they could play Reserves in the Cup.

Must of changed the rules.

[Paleon Patros Germanos]

Adelaide Villa Reserve Cup side
Excuse spelling, team sheet hard to read
Ellul
Ceracchio
Guifreda
Scalzi
Derosa
Naylor
Rossi
Stihltavo
Tarasenko
Beatrice
Musci
Subs: Giglio, Lonardo, Finocchio

Yeah thats a good side, hence why you lost.

[Kitchimo]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:

No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.

Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

[The Realist]

Adelaide Villa Reserve Cup side
Excuse spelling, team sheet hard to read
Ellul
Ceracchio
Guifreda
Scalzi
Derosa
Naylor
Rossi
Stihltavo
Tarasenko
Beatrice
Musci
Subs: Giglio, Lonardo, Finocchio

Yeah thats a good side, hence why you lost.

The majority of those would be First Grade players. Stacked team maybe?

[Justcallmegod]

Adelaide Villa Reserve Cup side
Excuse spelling, team sheet hard to read
Ellul
Ceracchio
Guifreda
Scalzi
Derosa
Naylor
Rossi
Stihltavo
Tarasenko
Beatrice
Musci
Subs: Giglio, Lonardo, Finocchio

Ellul and Ceracchio actually got promoted from the C's they were lucky to get a game...

[Fork Sake]

Adelaide Villa Reserve Cup side
Excuse spelling, team sheet hard to read
Ellul
Ceracchio
Guifreda
Scalzi
Derosa
Naylor
Rossi
Stihltavo
Tarasenko
Beatrice
Musci
Subs: Giglio, Lonardo, Finocchio

Ellul and Ceracchio actually got promoted from the C's they were lucky to get a game...

[Between the Sticks]

Cup Rd 2

Adelaide Wanderers 4 Macedonia 1 (pen)

With a number of desperate clearances off the line, Macedonia were lucky not to be 7 or 8 down at the break. In the second half, the home side took the foot off the pedal but still had the lion share of possession. Wanderers conceded a penalty that just scraped through after a defender handballed on the line to receive a red card for his effort.

The Macedonian keeper seemed to have broken his foot at the end of the match and waited over half an hour for an ambulance - can anyone from the club confirm he's alright..?

I have no complaints about the result yesterday...with what we had on the pitch we were beaten by a well drilled and fit squad and was actually good to watch the teamwork displayed by wanderers so congrats and best of luck with the rest of the campaign

As for the foot, yes i broke it in two places and all the ligaments are destroyed so my season and indeed career appear to be over which is dissapointing after ive had a good start ....will see specialist on tuesday and decide on surgery.....thanks for the concern

[Jack Mehorf]

Adelaide Villa Reserve Cup side
Excuse spelling, team sheet hard to read
Ellul
Ceracchio
Guifreda
Scalzi
Derosa
Naylor
Rossi
Stihltavo
Tarasenko
Beatrice
Musci
Subs: Giglio, Lonardo, Finocchio

Hey Buddy....no disrespect, just a quick run down on the situation.

(A) Adelaide Villa A team lost to fellow Sat div 1 team Sturt Marion in rd 1 after totally dominating and losing on penalties.
(so we didn't stack that team with our reserves).

(B) Now for A team players that played yesterday
Ellul, missed SM game due to spending 3 days in hospital that week.....soft cock.
Cerracchio, has missed last 3 weeks suspended and played about 1 full game for the season so far....soft cock.
Giuffreda, in and out of first team this year and might have started 2 games.
Mark Scalzi, out injured since rd3 available this week for first time.
Taresenko, missed SM game for family reasons.
Derosa, suspended from previous week.
Musci, is Doms brother Luc who has played in the B team all season with the rest of that squad.
Hence that is why both teams are at the top of Div 1.....it's called depth.

(C) I cant remember hearing 1 ounce of whinging, or disrespect to your players or linesman, we were having some fun amongst ourselves and our players. When your player went down injured we sent our trainer over before you guys realised he was injured.

Hope that explains it.... maybe we should have sent you the team sheet on Friday might have saved you a trip and me a Saturday.

[Jack Mehorf]

East Boy wrote:
East 3 - Cougars 4

Good result for the cougars. We maybe deserved the win, but at the end of the day they scored more than us.
A few of their lads might want to deflate the size of their ego's. Remember you are still a div3 side. Yes you won on the day, but sometimes winning without the talk is better.
Meh, another day at the office for the boys. Hit the track hard this week and hopefully get back on track in the league in a weeks time.


Not sure on the ego's there sizes our what was said but in the end it was a good game played in poor conditions with Cougars the deserved winners...i think you guys might have come out cocky in the second half thinking the game was won at HT and 3-1. Took 3 Cougars goals for you to finally wake up and realise the game is 90 mins long with the last 15 mins very even.

[ozriel]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:

No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.

Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

of course your team wouldnt stoop so low. give me a break

[ozriel]

Reserves
Southern Breakers 0 Adelaide Villa 10
Great pitch to play on, a lot better than last years market garden.
Was disappointing to be told by the ref at the end of the game that half their 'A' team were playing, we travel all the way from Port Elliot to be completely outplayed and have our noses rubbed into the dirt by a team of Div 1 players who showed no respect for our young kids and elder players too, by whinging at every decision that didn't go their way, bagging the linesman and being cocky about what the score was.
Sour grapes, you bet we are.

keep your heads up at least you had the guts to show up when other teams with less of a challenge forfeit

[Master Kong]

Thanks Ozriel

Stirling 3 Southern Breakers 1
Got there at half time and we were 2 nil down
Stirling dominated most of second half but credit to our boys for not giving up and getting a late goal.
Their pitch looks like its ready to cut up badly with any more rain.
Thanks to their hospitality in the clubrooms after the game with some free pizzas.
Good luck Stirling

[Missing Post Count]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:
No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.
Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

Does the SAASL have such a rule? It would be difficult to implement. I mean, how regular is regular? One thing I will say is I get pissed off when players drop to the B or C team at the expence of someone who has shown up for that team every week. We had that on saturday.

[diegom]

Adelaide Villa Reserve Cup side
Excuse spelling, team sheet hard to read
Ellul
Ceracchio
Guifreda
Scalzi
Derosa
Naylor
Rossi
Stihltavo
Tarasenko
Beatrice
Musci
Subs: Giglio, Lonardo, Finocchio

Hey Buddy....no disrespect, just a quick run down on the situation.

(A) Adelaide Villa A team lost to fellow Sat div 1 team Sturt Marion in rd 1 after totally dominating and losing on penalties.
(so we didn't stack that team with our reserves).

(B) Now for A team players that played yesterday
Ellul, missed SM game due to spending 3 days in hospital that week.....soft grenache.
Cerracchio, has missed last 3 weeks suspended and played about 1 full game for the season so far....soft grenache.
Giuffreda, in and out of first team this year and might have started 2 games.
Mark Scalzi, out injured since rd3 available this week for first time.
Taresenko, missed SM game for family reasons.
Derosa, suspended from previous week.
Musci, is Doms brother Luc who has played in the B team all season with the rest of that squad.
Hence that is why both teams are at the top of Div 1.....it's called depth.

(C) I cant remember hearing 1 ounce of whinging, or disrespect to your players or linesman, we were having some fun amongst ourselves and our players. When your player went down injured we sent our trainer over before you guys realised he was injured.

Hope that explains it.... maybe we should have sent you the team sheet on Friday might have saved you a trip and me a Saturday.

bahahaha, did u ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING on the pitch jack????
as far as stacking the team, its more a case of luck. Whan the A team got knocked out in the 1st round, the BEST available players for the cup round were picked. Safe ur breath Jack, sore losers are always sore losers

[To Mati]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:
No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.
Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

Does the SAASL have such a rule? It would be difficult to implement. I mean, how regular is regular? One thing I will say is I get pissed off when players drop to the B or C team at the expence of someone who has shown up for that team every week. We had that on saturday.

They do have the rule, but I am not sure whether it applies to cup games. If not, I think it should.

From http://www.saasl.com.au/Upload/saasl_fo ... _2009_.pdf

14. ITERCHAGEABILITY OF PLAYERS
(a) When a club is promoting more than one team in the League championship
competition, that club (provided it be a full member and not a designated “thirds” or
“veterans” club) may be permitted to interchange its players from one team to
another unless those players be under suspension, or have been sent off on the same
day.
(b) No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.
For the purpose of interpreting this sub-rule, a regular first team player is one who has
played 80 per centum of games in the first division as at the time of completion of 80 per
centum of the prescribed fixtures, (calculated to the nearest whole game). Where there is
good reason to suspect a breach of this rule the club will be charged with misconduct and if
the Disciplinary Committee finds the charge sustained the offending club shall forfeit the
match in which a player is used and may, in addition, be subject to additional penalty or
penalties. This rule is only applicable to catch up fixtures where the senior team is not
playing.

[Kitchimo]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:
No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.
Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

Does the SAASL have such a rule? It would be difficult to implement. I mean, how regular is regular? One thing I will say is I get pissed off when players drop to the B or C team at the expence of someone who has shown up for that team every week. We had that on saturday.

They do have the rule, but I am not sure whether it applies to cup games. If not, I think it should.

From http://www.saasl.com.au/Upload/saasl_fo ... _2009_.pdf

14. ITERCHAGEABILITY OF PLAYERS
(a) When a club is promoting more than one team in the League championship
competition, that club (provided it be a full member and not a designated “thirds” or
“veterans” club) may be permitted to interchange its players from one team to
another unless those players be under suspension, or have been sent off on the same
day.
(b) No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.
For the purpose of interpreting this sub-rule, a regular first team player is one who has
played 80 per centum of games in the first division as at the time of completion of 80 per
centum of the prescribed fixtures, (calculated to the nearest whole game). Where there is
good reason to suspect a breach of this rule the club will be charged with misconduct and if
the Disciplinary Committee finds the charge sustained the offending club shall forfeit the
match in which a player is used and may, in addition, be subject to additional penalty or
penalties. This rule is only applicable to catch up fixtures where the senior team is not
playing.

So is the interpretation

- every team that dropped a guy after the first week of the season broke the rules - or it only kicks in at the 80% mark (ie the last 3 games of an 18 game season and the player in question would have had to play 12 of the 15 games) - stops teams stacking the Bs to win the League title.

(you will also notice it only applies to League competitions).

[To Mati]

..or does it mean that if so far there have been 10 A grade games, and the player in question has played 8 or more games they are deemed to be a regular 1st teamer? Or does it mean they are a 1st teamer if they play at least 72minutes of a 90 minute game in at least 80% of the fixtures so far...???

Open for interpretation... they may as well scrap the rule.

[Missing Post Count]

In Western Australia there is an 80% rule too. Once you play in the seniors cup you are cup tied and cannot play in the reserves cup, but the 80% rule comes in for non cup tied players. After ten games if a player has played 80% of their A team league games they then are ruled out for contention for the reserves cup irrespective of whether they are 'cup tied' or not, but I have never seen a ruling on making them ineligible for league games.

I just think it's a bit rude when players drop because the senior team doesn't have a match and a C team player gets lumped on the bench.

[BillyBob]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:
No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.
Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

Does the SAASL have such a rule? It would be difficult to implement. I mean, how regular is regular? One thing I will say is I get pissed off when players drop to the B or C team at the expence of someone who has shown up for that team every week. We had that on saturday.

They do have the rule, but I am not sure whether it applies to cup games. If not, I think it should.

From http://www.saasl.com.au/Upload/saasl_fo ... _2009_.pdf

14. ITERCHAGEABILITY OF PLAYERS
(a) When a club is promoting more than one team in the League championship
competition, that club (provided it be a full member and not a designated “thirds” or
“veterans” club) may be permitted to interchange its players from one team to
another unless those players be under suspension, or have been sent off on the same
day.
(b) No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.
For the purpose of interpreting this sub-rule, a regular first team player is one who has
played 80 per centum of games in the first division as at the time of completion of 80 per
centum of the prescribed fixtures, (calculated to the nearest whole game). Where there is
good reason to suspect a breach of this rule the club will be charged with misconduct and if
the Disciplinary Committee finds the charge sustained the offending club shall forfeit the
match in which a player is used and may, in addition, be subject to additional penalty or
penalties. This rule is only applicable to catch up fixtures where the senior team is not
playing.

a) kind of negates b) for any large club like Adelaide Uni or Iggies. Uni has 7 saasl teams, and iggies have 5 I believe. If they want to use b) they need to clear up that rule a bit, with the way it's worded there you can't drop a player from the first team to the reserves. And since like I said it only applies to some clubs and not all, it should be dropped really.

[The Realist]

I just think it's a bit rude when players drop because the senior team doesn't have a match and a C team player gets lumped on the bench.

Always happens & is BS IMO. I can understand fielding your best 11 but not at the expense of a player who has turned up week after week.

[JETS#10]

have to agree not the jets best performance and 14 and the keeper were the jets best. well at least we got a few weekends off now.

[Wraith]

Yes I understand that, but what if they played against a 'regular' B team? It would then be an advantage hence the following SAASL rule:

No club shall use in its Reserve or Thirds team, a player who is a regular first team player.

Whether it is a league game or cup game should make no difference in my opinion.

of course your team wouldnt stoop so low. give me a break

No actually they wouldn't.

[BADA BING]

The issue of stacking the reserves team during the cup gets talked about every year, if a player is not cup tied then why shouldnt he play??

[East Boy]

I know if i missed the first round of the cup with the first team and they got knocked out i would be looking to play in the ressies. Who wouldn't want to?
sour grapes, just get on with it.

[lefty]

Parafield Gardens 3
Modbury Jets ASC 1

Rubbish game to watch as a neutral. Good to see Chemical Brother up to his usual antics, neither team looked like a Division 1 side, good finish to grab the first goal for both teams and Parafield's third was a nice header. Both sides almost seemed dis-interested toward the end of the game. Certainly not a game to rate Saturday league vs Sunday league. Young Parafield lad that grabbed two goals was very good and Jets number 10 was the better player for the Jets side.

A little dissapointing to see both clubs supporters bringing their own alcahol instead of using the facilities provided.

Rubbish comment Total 90 No Idea.
Whilst your talking about alcohol how about telling Mod Feds to serve beer in a glass not in a plastic cup after the game has finished or did they run out of dish washing liquid