SCHOOL SOCCER

[johnydep]

I don't disagree with kids playing school soccer but for the schools to threaten the kids with suspension is a joke.

If they switched their games to midweek, there would not be a problem.

jonnydep, what has school soccer got to do with having an academic future? Their academic future should not be threatened if they do not want yo play school soccer.

Some kids are not in the game to become super stars, they don't have a dream to play at the highest level, they're there just for the enjoyment and fun. First priority is to achieve highest scores possible in the last years of high school so as to move into a chosen field at University.
So for these kids school comes first. They are already giving their valuable time to club training and school sports (which has always been a part of developing children into adults with strong character).

Here's a simple analogy - Luke finishes school at 3.15 and has an away game, he's lucky to have a car, he and a few mates leave the car park at 3.30 and get to the grounds at 3.50. Not much time for a warm up but he does what he can and kicks off at 4.00.
Game ends no time for a full warm down they're all in the car and Luke's racing to drop off his mates to get home in time for a bite to eat, change of cloths and off to club training.
He gets to training just in time, the coach gives him a lecture about punctuality and the evils of school soccer then gets into training. Luke's looking pretty flat and the coach is not impressed with him.
Training finishes, Luke's not feeling good about himself and his muscles ache he gets home has a shower a bite to eat and starts his homework at 10pm. Mum & dad are concerned about how he'll cope with year 12.

If you don't want your kid to play school soccer there's a really easy solution - choose a different school sport; tennis, squash, water polo, swimming, chess, debating, etc.

[SILENT P]

I don't disagree with kids playing school soccer but for the schools to threaten the kids with suspension is a joke.

If they switched their games to midweek, there would not be a problem.

jonnydep, what has school soccer got to do with having an academic future? Their academic future should not be threatened if they do not want yo play school soccer.

Some kids are not in the game to become super stars, they don't have a dream to play at the highest level, they're there just for the enjoyment and fun. First priority is to achieve highest scores possible in the last years of high school so as to move into a chosen field at University.
So for these kids school comes first. They are already giving their valuable time to club training and school sports (which has always been a part of developing children into adults with strong character).

Here's a simple analogy - Luke finishes school at 3.15 and has an away game, he's lucky to have a car, he and a few mates leave the car park at 3.30 and get to the grounds at 3.50. Not much time for a warm up but he does what he can and kicks off at 4.00.
Game ends no time for a full warm down they're all in the car and Luke's racing to drop off his mates to get home in time for a bite to eat, change of cloths and off to club training.
He gets to training just in time, the coach gives him a lecture about punctuality and the evils of school soccer then gets into training. Luke's looking pretty flat and the coach is not impressed with him.
Training finishes, Luke's not feeling good about himself and his muscles ache he gets home has a shower a bite to eat and starts his homework at 10pm. Mum & dad are concerned about how he'll cope with year 12.

If you don't want your kid to play school soccer there's a really easy solution - choose a different school sport; tennis, squash, water polo, swimming, chess, debating, etc.

Some schools make kids play school soccer if they play for the club. These kids say they want to play other sports like you have suggested but the school says no.

[johnydep]

I don't disagree with kids playing school soccer but for the schools to threaten the kids with suspension is a joke.

If they switched their games to midweek, there would not be a problem.

jonnydep, what has school soccer got to do with having an academic future? Their academic future should not be threatened if they do not want yo play school soccer.

Some kids are not in the game to become super stars, they don't have a dream to play at the highest level, they're there just for the enjoyment and fun. First priority is to achieve highest scores possible in the last years of high school so as to move into a chosen field at University.
So for these kids school comes first. They are already giving their valuable time to club training and school sports (which has always been a part of developing children into adults with strong character).

Here's a simple analogy - Luke finishes school at 3.15 and has an away game, he's lucky to have a car, he and a few mates leave the car park at 3.30 and get to the grounds at 3.50. Not much time for a warm up but he does what he can and kicks off at 4.00.
Game ends no time for a full warm down they're all in the car and Luke's racing to drop off his mates to get home in time for a bite to eat, change of cloths and off to club training.
He gets to training just in time, the coach gives him a lecture about punctuality and the evils of school soccer then gets into training. Luke's looking pretty flat and the coach is not impressed with him.
Training finishes, Luke's not feeling good about himself and his muscles ache he gets home has a shower a bite to eat and starts his homework at 10pm. Mum & dad are concerned about how he'll cope with year 12.

If you don't want your kid to play school soccer there's a really easy solution - choose a different school sport; tennis, squash, water polo, swimming, chess, debating, etc.

Some schools make kids play school soccer if they play for the club. These kids say they want to play other sports like you have suggested but the school says no.

Which I do not agree with and why school soccer on Saturday is best at the moment. Should be a way around it, ask the school to add it to their debating teams subject list

[MegaBonus]

Nova

Isn't Megabonus our resident school football coach, he seems like a quality kind of guy, more of the same would be good.


Yes he is, and we need more of people like him

thanks fellas....

my perspective...... and its only just that!!!!!

having worked in 3 private colleges over the last 15 years (1 where sat morn sport was available but not compulsory, 1 where sat morn sport is compulsory for 2 terms and one where sat morning sport was not offered) i think im fairly qualified to comment or at least pass on observations....

with regards to compulsory playing for schools , the problems dont rest with the students nor the schools..... it rest with parents and the clubs....

the majority of student ive taught (of all ability) love the idea of playing with lifelong friends as opposed to team-mates.

ive been lucky to have coached 6 aust reps (from joeys to senior team) plus a couple of boys who are now on the books of UK clubs and very rarely did they say no to representing their college - yet they had more to lose!!!

some college teams are stronger than clubs with better coaches, why wouldnt you let your players learn more????

when you enroll your child in a college, you do so on the college's terms. college's build and rely on reputatations of sporting excellence as well as academic excellence thus want to be on field winners

i know of SANFL players who must play for their college first and do so willingly


compulsory sport adds to a colleges tradition, culture, ethos and above all the individuals need to be part of a community that will embrace them for the long term, not discard them once they realise they wont ever play first team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nova]

Some good points MB, but most of us are not knocking school soccer, it's just a matter of consideration to the player if he is playing club soccer on the same day

Like today for instance, a young ABE reserve team player that plays school soccer for Rostrevor had his ankle busted in a very rough tackle by a kid that probably couldn't dribble a chair

[johnydep]

Some good points MB, but most of us are not knocking school soccer, it's just a matter of consideration to the player if he is playing club soccer on the same day

Like today for instance, a young ABE reserve team player that plays school soccer for Rostrevor had his ankle busted in a very rough tackle by a kid that probably couldn't dribble a chair

What about the keeper that had their collar bone broken at club soccer last week in the cup round? Or the lad that broke his arm playing soccer with his mates at the park?

It happens.

Maybe Club and school can compromise via negotiation, I don't know the answer but I do know that this debate has been going on for a long time. On one hand we say "let the kids play" and "the more they play the more they learn" and "street soccer produces the best players because they use their own creativity" Well isn't school soccer a form of soccer that allows talented players a chance to express themselves?

If there are gripes that need sorting it's the condition of some pitches and some parents that feel they need to coach from the side line.

A warning to parents sending their kids to a private school for the first time - if you don't want them to play a sport that they play at club level, choose another sport.
For parents with kids already playing school soccer but don't want them to - discuss ithe situation with the school and explain that you'd like to broaden their sporting knowledge, or that you're concerned about academic performance.

There's always a solution to a problem.

I had my reservations on school soccer, I tried to talk my son out of it. He almost gave in but I could see the look in his eye, so I ended up giving in and letting him join.
So far it's been good, he and his mates are enjoying it and making new friends. He's also trying things that his club coach won't or can't allow due to the nature of club competition. I believe that this has boosted his confidence in trying different things.

Every kid is different, every situation is different.

[MegaBonus]

Nova

Like today for instance, a young ABE reserve team player that plays school soccer for Rostrevor had his ankle busted in a very rough tackle by a kid that probably couldn't dribble a chair

we must be closer than we thought!!!!!

that kid was part of a team that shouldve beaten rossi..... even with a player less

injuries can occur at any level. i have found that the better players can look after themselves physically.

and if anything...Rossi should be congratulated for taking players club committments into consideration by not playing them for whole games and rostering them off regularly....

[Nova]

Just for the record, I say kids "SHOULD" play as much soccer as possible and that includes school soccer
What I also say is that they should not be forced to play if they believe it will affect their club commitments

Sorry MB, I wasn't there and it was second hand information as was told to me by a parent

[aufc_123]

Nova

Like today for instance, a young ABE reserve team player that plays school soccer for Rostrevor had his ankle busted in a very rough tackle by a kid that probably couldn't dribble a chair

we must be closer than we thought!!!!!

that kid was part of a team that shouldve beaten rossi..... even with a player less

injuries can occur at any level. i have found that the better players can look after themselves physically.

and if anything...Rossi should be congratulated for taking players club committments into consideration by not playing them for whole games and rostering them off regularly....

Megabonus
Don't you think that once a player starts playing senior football on Saturdays, they shouldn't have to play school soccer, personally Saturday school soccer should be for players playing under 17s and under.

[MegaBonus]

common sense must prevail and the interest of both the student and the college be met... for instance....

restrict the number of games the student plays (in soccer terms, the high profile games and/or the knock out games

also

have the student help the team out in another way.... run the line

[back of the net]

Should the Club come first?

[Green_Manalishi]

Should the Club come first?

Up until recently I would have argued that school comes first, but given the treatment of the Blackfriars Year 8/9 Knock-Out squad, who have been forced to forfeit because of the pig flu debacle, I think that point of view has changed.

Someone obviously figured just how strong the squad was?

[prefly]

cant believe you guys think school soccer should come first

[Hollygirl]

Should the Club come first?

Up until recently I would have argued that school comes first, but given the treatment of the Blackfriars Year 8/9 Knock-Out squad, who have been forced to forfeit because of the pig flu debacle, I think that point of view has changed.

Someone obviously figured just how strong the squad was?

Are you serious....how can the SASSASA justify that???

[Hollygirl]

cant believe you guys think school soccer should come first

Prefly I would normally agree with you re this but find it interesting that at SANFL level school soccer is always given priority....this is not an individual club decision eg Glenelg allowing Sacred Heart players to play school before club rather a set in stone situation with all SANFL clubs that students must be released for any school committments rather than club...no one complains it just happens

[back of the net]

Have to say GM the "Hounds" lost out there..... I may not be seeing what's on offer but Jnr "Net" had a verbal about how good those boys are....but sorry me Club comes first....School after homework...

[The Chiro]

i think you will find that in AFL boys would rather play school footy, a number of my mates tell me theyd rather play school footy apposed to club, both bcoz they can play with a group of mates and that believe it or not there is a decent opportunity of being scouted playing school footy, especially against rossi, sacred heart, scotch ect ect....

this isnt the case in school soccer...and its easy for people to say that club and school can negotiate and that theres a sollution...coz its rubbish!... its been that way for years. one lad who refused to play school soccer this year was told play or leave...and hes left... schools defonately force kids to play and train for school soccer...some more than other but.

at my school if u play ressies in the super league you are excused from school soccer...this is a more realistic sollution i feel.

[vidic15]

Club comes before school. i am a student and the only reason i play school soccer is to get a day off school. i play club becuase i love the game and i want to get somewhere with that

[MegaBonus]

good luck to you!!!!!!!!

i only hope your club provides you with a better education than your school???


hands up how many of us know players who make a professional living from the game????

[back of the net]

My hand is up over 2 ball games.......but they all have degrees...paid for by the club

[Killa Pass]

My hand is up over 2 ball games.......but they all have degrees...paid for by the club

[davidvilla]

this is why you go to a school which as soccer as a subject

[rabbit]

this is why you go to a school which as soccer as a subject

No, this is why you should choose a school that has spelling as a subgect ......oops

[FT9]

i kno that goin to rossi
all school sport comes before club in year 8 it stated on the co curricular form to name any sports u played for club and that u wuld need to play these for school also and if caught not playin school would get in trouble.

playing tennis for club at that stage before rossi was on a saturday morning as was school tennis so i jus didnt tell school lol they didnt find out so i was fine
these days though i dont believe it is as strict with school and club at rossi at least