Small Sided Football in 2009,2010

[JED]

It is an interesting topic which is always going to be controversial. All parents have a duty to do what is best for their kids and we all have differing views.

My youngest son played against Travis Dodds son (u/8's) last week and I heard that Travis pulled his son out of a Fed team because of SSG. If that is true someone at FFA should ask him why. He is not an ignorant ranting father who needs to fulfill his own lost hopes through his child, so if true, why?

I've heard a lot of things, does this make it right to use other people & their kids to justify my views?

[swannsong]

It is an interesting topic which is always going to be controversial. All parents have a duty to do what is best for their kids and we all have differing views.

My youngest son played against Travis Dodds son (u/8's) last week and I heard that Travis pulled his son out of a Fed team because of SSG. If that is true someone at FFA should ask him why. He is not an ignorant ranting father who needs to fulfill his own lost hopes through his child, so if true, why?

I've heard a lot of things, does this make it right to use other people & their kids to justify my views?

To be fair, I think he was responding to this statement.

Why have all the A-league players who have had children playing in E&D now removed their children and are now playing SSF. Go Figure it!!! Because its the way forward!! Not just for FFSA clubs but for clubs all over Australia!

I don't understand why there is so much debate about this apart from people having their footing in either the FFSA camp or the EDJSA camp.
Getting the best out of kids to me comes down to coaching, some coaches know all the drills etc but still cannot motivate young kids to want to learn.
Just get out there and do the best you can for your kids no matter if it is modified rules or SSG (they are both modified rules).
Have fun and stop bickering.

[Željko Jurin]

It is an interesting topic which is always going to be controversial. All parents have a duty to do what is best for their kids and we all have differing views.

My youngest son played against Travis Dodds son (u/8's) last week and I heard that Travis pulled his son out of a Fed team because of SSG. If that is true someone at FFA should ask him why. He is not an ignorant ranting father who needs to fulfill his own lost hopes through his child, so if true, why?

Good question

I'll give you another one.

Your middle son has come over from E&D to Fed, meaning he has grown up in the E&D system. Now he is one of the most skillful players in the u/10 FFSA comp I have seen.

How ??? Not by SSF (30min of game time a week), or not by E&D 'big' pitches (40mins a week)

It is from him and you. Him going out to training, and giving 120% every time, and you going out with all your boys and spending time with them, kicking around, and having fun. And the boys, going out in the back yard or in the park and having "mini" games, or an unsupervised version of SSF

[povman_2009]

Children learn at different rates and in different ways, you cannot isolate the development of one child as there are always expcetional players who would thrive regardless of the system they are involved in, the proof of the pudding in this case will take years to come to fruition , the bottom line is there are choices so people can make there own decisions about what is right for them or not.

[BIG RED]

Exactly Mr Pov - there will always be a percentage that will play well even well in a cow paddock its about giving the opportunity for the greater % to have a better chance of a feed of the trough oh and the farmer is important also

[Southampton #7]

Why have all the A-league players who have had children playing in E&D now removed their children and are now playing SSF. Go Figure it!!! Because its the way forward!! Not just for FFSA clubs but for clubs all over Australia![/quote]


i have seen two current A League players with kids in E&D this year so i think you need to check your facts first rather than making broad statements.

[goal!!!]

well done southhampton... so much bs around.... SSG is not the way forward its a training drill / system not game time - ahhhh look up the euro leagues for kids and see .. FFSA research is dreaming up how not go about unifying soccer ( football)

[REDS]

It was great to see all the young players from ABE and Raiders playing SSF before the seniors game last Saturday - the FFA would have been pleased to see that its started well in SA this year. Well done to Raiders and ABE.

Also the recent northern SSF gala day at Modbury Jets went really well with 150 children approx and 10 different clubs involved well done to all and the children had a ball from what I saw.

[BIG RED]

Yes the Gala day at the Modbury Jets went really well and it was nice the gods were with us with the weather also, we are all looking for to the next gala day at Raiders. along with all the inter club games that are being played each week

[Southampton #7]

It was great to see all the young players from ABE and Raiders playing SSF before the seniors game last Saturday - the FFA would have been pleased to see that its started well in SA this year. Well done to Raiders and ABE.

Also the recent northern SSF gala day at Modbury Jets went really well with 150 children approx and 10 different clubs involved well done to all and the children had a ball from what I saw.

any A League players kids there if so who.

[BIG RED]

Ive seen Cassio and Richie sons playing SSF and isnt Jake Dodd playing at Campbelltown city also and he is SSF age isnt he?

In the end it doesnt really matter just as long as they are playing football

[Squizzy]

It is an interesting topic which is always going to be controversial. All parents have a duty to do what is best for their kids and we all have differing views.

My youngest son played against Travis Dodds son (u/8's) last week and I heard that Travis pulled his son out of a Fed team because of SSG. If that is true someone at FFA should ask him why. He is not an ignorant ranting father who needs to fulfill his own lost hopes through his child, so if true, why?

Good question

I'll give you another one.

Your middle son has come over from E&D to Fed, meaning he has grown up in the E&D system. Now he is one of the most skillful players in the u/10 FFSA comp I have seen.

How ??? Not by SSF (30min of game time a week), or not by E&D 'big' pitches (40mins a week)

It is from him and you. Him going out to training, and giving 120% every time, and you going out with all your boys and spending time with them, kicking around, and having fun. And the boys, going out in the back yard or in the park and having "mini" games, or an unsupervised version of SSF

Well in, Zeljko.

[E. Grant & Co]

Interesting debate everyone.

One thought though.

This isn't an FFSA development it is a directive from the FFA to run SSG, so I think it is a little unfair to lay the complete blame onto the FFSA.

If we are going to blame anyone for the SSG format, you have to go back to Rob Bann and the Dutch connection.

[MegaBonus]

E. Grant & Co

If we are going to blame anyone for the SSG format, you have to go back to Rob Bann and the Dutch connection.

wrong!!!

if you are going to blame anyone, blame the brazilians, the italians, the french, the spanish, the germans, the argentinians,,,,, after all, what wold these WORLD CUP WINNERS know about producing players?????????????????????????

[Southampton #7]

E. Grant & Co

If we are going to blame anyone for the SSG format, you have to go back to Rob Bann and the Dutch connection.

wrong!!!

if you are going to blame anyone, blame the brazilians, the italians, the french, the spanish, the germans, the argentinians,,,,, after all, what wold these WORLD CUP WINNERS know about producing players?????????????????????????

[goal!!!]

exactly !

[rossie]

Goal!!I don't think you get megabonus statement. He is stating that those countries play a form of ssf and have won world cups so this is why we should be going in that direction

[goal!!!]

a form... ? proove it , ive been there and they do not !

its suppose to try to compete with street soccer ssg is drills in training not a actual game australia will struggle to get into any world cup again if they keep hacking away at this

[Željko Jurin]

a form... ? proove it , ive been there and they do not !

its suppose to try to compete with street soccer ssg is drills in training not a actual game australia will struggle to get into any world cup again if they keep hacking away at this

And you would know because.............

[goal!!!]

coz ive been there ! i played on the streets in several european countires and ive been to training over their both junior and senior so thats pretty 1st hand wouldnt you say !!!!!!

[Rodney]

but does that make you an expert on the subject?

[Željko Jurin]

coz ive been there ! i played on the streets in several european countires and ive been to training over their both junior and senior so thats pretty 1st hand wouldnt you say !!!!!!

Yep, still waiting.......

Actually, you should of applied for the FFA Technical Director job, you're very qualified

What I am talking about is, kids (5-9yo's) are only really playing ONE game a week, for 40mins or so. The more touches they get in this 40mins, obviously the better it is for them, and the only way they will get the most touches in this 40mins, is SSF.

But, it is not the way it will "make" world class players, but it will help to change Australia's philosophy and mentality, and hopefully help to get rid of the current thinking that every player must be fit, strong, over 6ft, do a beep 15 test, and be able to boot the ball down the line for 40 metres with a "hang time" of 5 secs.

Hence, by changing our philosophy/mentality which I believe is the sole purpose that SSF was brought in, it will then in turn change our trainings and coaching and what kids are actually doing at home (playing in the backyard and park more), which is where the kids are actually learning to be football players, AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE

[povman_2009]

Here is a touch of irony , the E&D website has a link to a coaching resource called World of Soccer, guess what system the guys site recommends for youngsters...

[Southampton #7]

Here is a touch of irony , the E&D website has a link to a coaching resource called World of Soccer, guess what system the guys site recommends for youngsters...

they also have a link to FFSA.

[goal!!!]

rodney , zelko

im not saying im an expert , im saying from the previous comment about and how would i know , so dont be smart a55'Your comments are really not valid as its about game time and understanding from a young age what to do - SSG is what should be implemnted in drills and training "coaching"

its the narrow mindeness of yourslef to suggest SSG in games with more touches is going to change australian football to me its way FFSA is trying to be different and not considering the alternatives.

thanks

[MegaBonus]

goal!!!

its the narrow mindeness of yourslef to suggest SSG in games with more touches is going to change australian football to me its way FFSA is trying to be different and not considering the alternatives.

just curious........ what are the alternatives??????????????????????????

[goal!!!]

there are 2 alternatives -

for reason u miss the point .. ssg is and has been practiced since adam was a alive... its the when and what .. when is trainign drills and traning days/nights .. the what is the type and the purpose - games which dont allwo the kids to learn throw ins and free kicks and ofside will not teach them the conepts and principles from an early age .. im not going to waste my time on here explaining in detail as its prob wasted for some. i would like to add though that ssg is as it suggest small sided games , not full games with larger pitch and ability for kids to learn YES learn formations , structure, negative space , fundamental passing short , long triangle skills .. yes even for u6 u7 it can be done if you watch the asians nations they are pumping alot of money into trainign young ones up like europe has done , im saying ban ssg im saying its bad for game day devleopment ..

[povman_2009]

So we should be going after the Asian model , wat are the current rankings for Asian nations in the world listing... ?

[goal!!!]

no dont be smart ass i am merely pointing out what they are doing now .. to improve their positions for world cup , if u havnt noticed skorea and japn have come along way recently more time than australia ... ideally eropean italy, spain, france ..dutch are completly different style but effective , i beleive we aussies base on dutch and english stlye , both not workign to well these days : )

[MegaBonus]

@goal!!!

i respect your opinion but you have misunderstood the arguement. your last post reflects this misunderstanding. SSG IS A COACHING/TEACHING PHILOSOPHY. it reflects the idea that children learn by playing, thus investigating through curiosity. their enthusiasm to try new things isnt quashed by adults. the teacher/coach in SSG.... is the game itself......

however..... read what a world cup winning coach has written....Carlos Alberto Parreira....

Brazilian players are not robotic. We play with passion. We love the ball. We have the freedom to create. We don't interrupt our young players, tell them to pass on the first touch. Until they are 12 or 14, they are allowed to love the ball. This mirrors the SSG philosophy with its roots in 'street/chaos soccer'.