Junior Awards

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:04 pm

Just a general topic looking for others comments

If you coached a junior team and you had two awards that are both voted for would you let one player be awarded both or would you make sure one player only won one trophy.

In my case we had a Players Player award and a Coaches choice award which I chose to let the parents vote for as I have a son playing in the team and wanted to avoid a conflict of interest , the same boy won both but I made an executive decision to award him the Players Player award and give the coaches choice award to a boy who finished runner up in both

ps
I have edited this post to reflect the fact that the second award was actually a coaches choice award ....

SILENT P · Post by **SILENT P** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:05 pm

povman, I thing you are wrong doing that. Those awards are selected by the players and parents. If you are going to go against their decisions, why even bother with the award.

aquaman · Post by **aquaman** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:06 pm

A parents choice award,

Interesting to see how impartial the parents were...

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:06 pm

Fair comment Silent P, although the parents choice was meant to be coaches choice, and as my son plays in the team I chose to get other people to vote, should have spelt that out before...

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:07 pm

sorry aquaman read my previous post, i should have got that right

the juggler · Post by **the juggler** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:09 pm

Have to agree with SILENT P on that topic. Awards should be given on merit otherwise give everybody a participation award like they do in E and D.

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:22 pm

sc1, this is E&D, all players get a trophy but there are two others for Players Player and Coaches Choice ...

seems like the general opinion is I made a wrong call , thanks for the comments guys

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:27 pm

You should have done 3,2,1 votes through out the season, even if you let each parent do one weekly!

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:30 pm

Nova, that is what we did do, as I said it was a coaches choice award but I chose to let the parents do the voting, one per week.

The players player was a big single vote before the last game of the year

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:37 pm

Well it should stand I recon !
With the players though, they seem to remember only the last few games, maybe they should vote weekly as well!

19 999 · Post by **19 999** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:27 pm

povman1964 wrote:sc1, this is E&D, all players get a trophy but there are two others for Players Player and Coaches Choice ...

seems like the general opinion is I made a wrong call , thanks for the comments guys

Povman,
I dont think you made a wrong call at all,
you are the coach, you are the person that got up of their ass and put in a huge amount of effort to coach a junior football team, what you decide to do is the right thing.
I personally believe that the forumites are correct in saying give the kid both awards, if he has earnt them, and he obviously did if you and the players voted for him, but you know the kids best, and if one lad came runner up in both, why not give him the cosches choice.

Either way, well done to you, keep up the good work.

Vagrant · Post by **Vagrant** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:40 pm

Povman - no call is really the wrong call. Like any decision a coach makes, you do what you think is best and people will free to criticise you without knowing the reasons you make that decision.

Personally I like your decision - you've made two boys (and their families) happy instead of one.

Drusetta · Post by **Drusetta** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:26 pm

Povman

Two awards to different boys I think was a good decision.

I like the idea of a Coaches Award. To me it would be more of an encouragement award and really could be any player who has showed the right attitude, passion, effort and progress in the game. Their skill level at this age is irrelevant.

Parents Award - have to disagree on that one. Many parents do not see the players at training, nor have sufficient contact with the players throughout the season. In addition, some parents do not know much about the game to objectively make a selection whilst others will be biased towards friends (or their child's friend). I've seen it happen many times.

I like the Most Improved Award which can be seen as the Coaches Award and for very similar reasons.

For older players (say 15 and up) I like the Player's "Player Of The Year" but this can be the Best & Fairest winner also. Sometimes it would be good for someone else to win the award but then again it is an honour to be recognised by your team-mates.

Nova - 3-2-1 voting system doesn't work at least half the time; nor does asking the referee for votes. The referee invariably chooses goalscorers or noticeable tricksters; and usually whom they noticed towards the end of the game. As an experiment, try and referee a game yourself and pick the best 3 players from both teams. I think it is too difficult.
What if the entire team plays bad? Plays Good? How can you choose 3-2-1 or 5-4-3-2-1?
I have found awarding each player a mark out of 10 for each game helps me a lot in determining Best & Fairest, Most Consistent, Most Improved or whatever other award a club might choose.

Just a thought.

Arturo · Post by **Arturo** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:09 pm

I think giving awards for junior teams is not necessary as a lot of good players invariably miss out every year and it is the same old players that receive these awards.

I think giving a basic trophy to every player in the team is suffice and there is no need for elitism as there are some many variables involved in a player receiving votes.

In my experience the players that receive these special awards are not any better than the players that miss out. In fact some players that miss out are probably better than the players that receive these awards.

povman_2009 · Post by **povman_2009** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:57 pm

Drusetta you are the organised kind of coach I wish I was...

Next year I will give that out of 10 a go assuming you rate the players according to what you hope and expect to get out of them..

eg a player with less skill who manages to execute something new in a game , or puts in a big effort with the talents that they have.

soccer mum · Post by **soccer mum** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:04 am

I'm with you Drusetta you made a lot of sense i agree, I think there does need to be a better way of doing votes not quite sure how yet but will think about it,
I do think all the boys or girls in teams should be made to feel they are part of a team and not just there to fill the gaps in, especially in the younger ages it all changes so quickly sometimes late bloomers can become the stars.

gubs · Post by **gubs** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:46 am

if the player was a deserved winner for both awards then he should have been given both....simple

Drusetta · Post by **Drusetta** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:40 pm

Povman et al

I suppose my system of a mark out of 10 does need some expansion.
Performance is part of it, but not all.

During and after the trials (at all junior levels) the players are made aware that the team will need them to play in several positions; and that it is good for their development that they learn to play several positions.
(Despite mum or dad telling me the my son/daughter is a forward. I generally reply, "Your son/daughter is 12."

Generally speaking, one of the last drills I do at training, before the weekend's match is to play the players in the positions that they will play on match day so they are better prepared by already knowing what I have asked them to do on matchday.

Come matchday, I re-iterate to every player what I want them to do in the context of the team game plan.

Their mark out of 10 then reflects their
(i) Ability to carry out instructions (concentration and intelligence)
(ii) Adaptability to changing situations (reactive creative thinking)
(iii) Determination in peforming their role (self confidence)
(iv) Thier execution (technical skills)
(v) Thier contribution to the team and the match as a whole

It sounds complicated but it works for me.
Many's the time when I have used an intelligent less techncial player to do a certain job and he/she has been the best player on the park.

The mark out of 10 system has also worked for me to award Most Improved and Most Consistent.

soccer mum · Post by **soccer mum** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:23 pm

well it must be very hard to be a coach and decide who should get what awards but as long as it is done fairly it should'nt matter lets face it you will never please every one, there will still be complaints no matter what way they are picked.

Drusetta · Post by **Drusetta** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:31 pm

Being a coach is hard, but we do have a choice; so the rewards must outweigh the trials and tribulations...

corona · Post by **corona** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:34 pm

in junior level maybe just every player getting a trophy without best and fairest as its always critised who wins it. so let all players be given a trophy and praised for there commitment .

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