CICHANOWSKI SHIELD. Parafield Gardens V ?

[Missing Post Count]

the fairest way with the Cup winner hosting the event.

Why should cup winners host the event? Should it not be played on a neutral venue?

[nugget66]

the fairest way with the Cup winner hosting the event.

Why should cup winners host the event? Should it not be played on a neutral venue?

I believe it's going to be alternate this year Cup Winners host it next year Champions of Champions do ...

Why should the clubs benift financially?

[Missing Post Count]

I believe it's going to be alternate this year Cup Winners host it next year Champions of Champions do ...

That's not such a bad idea, provided the host has some reasonable facilities.

[Car Park Keeper]

Many div 1 clubs have better facilities than Grange, certainly better at Gardens.

[swannsong]

Most likely Grange is still being used for cricket !

[lefty]

I think everyone is just scared that the Sunday league will be made to look rubbish again just as it was in the Champion of Champions...

You only played the Vale !

The Vale were the best team the Sunday league produced last season - won the league apparently...

That was last year its now the new season and the Cichanowski Shield is a more sort after trophy its been around much longer so dont get too confident

There will be no more free coffees for you sunshine

[Rumour With A View]

I think everyone is just scared that the Sunday league will be made to look rubbish again just as it was in the Champion of Champions...

You only played the Vale !

The Vale were the best team the Sunday league produced last season - won the league apparently...

They won the league granted, but in the Champion of Champions the Vale thought it was a Small Sided Game and thought 9 players might be sufficient.

[haywood djablowme]

It shouldn't be about crowd numbers, it should be about who earnt the right to play in it. I think Cup Winner v Champions of Champions is the fairest way with the Cup winner hosting the event.

You right Jay it shouldnt be about crowd numbers it should be about a Shield that for 25+ years has been Sunday Div 1 Winners v Cup Winners... was Ingle Farm informed of the change?

From a club perspective we will miss out on alot of $$ with it being v the Wanderers, so you can see Jay that if you were in this boat as Chairman you also would be thinking what would be best for your club & that would be a local derby v's the current league champions with a bumper crowd = $$$

[Jay Walking]

the fairest way with the Cup winner hosting the event.

Why should cup winners host the event? Should it not be played on a neutral venue?

No I think a club should be able to enjoy the spoils of the $$$ by hosting it.

The reason I think it should be the Cup Winner hosting it is because all clubs have the chance to win the Cup where as Champion of Champion is only Sunday and Saturday Div 1 clubs. The second reason is because the Cup Final and Semi final are played at Grange and the clubs can't host those games and make money over the bar. For clubs like ours, it costs us a fortune winning the cup in all the free drinks we give away.

Also can we get a better name than Champion of Champions

[Jay Walking]

It shouldn't be about crowd numbers, it should be about who earnt the right to play in it. I think Cup Winner v Champions of Champions is the fairest way with the Cup winner hosting the event.

You right Jay it shouldnt be about crowd numbers it should be about a Shield that for 25+ years has been Sunday Div 1 Winners v Cup Winners... was Ingle Farm informed of the change?

From a club perspective we will miss out on alot of $$ with it being v the Wanderers, so you can see Jay that if you were in this boat as Chairman you also would be thinking what would be best for your club & that would be a local derby v's the current league champions with a bumper crowd = $$$

We weren't told offically but yes last year we were told when I asked what was happening with the Champion of Champions competition that more than likely the winner would play the winner of the cup in the Cich Cup.

I have no doubt that Gardens would make more money by playing the Vale, no one can argue that. My favourite three games of the year are when we play Vale, Downs and Para Hills West because we take the most money over the bar then. Man Utd make more money when Arsenal visit them rather than when the play Middlesbrough. But this isn't a club decision, its a league decision and the decision should be based on whats fair, not on who is going to make the most money from it.

Also, reverse the situation. What if Wanderers moved to Div 1 and won the league and Downs had move to Saturdays and won Sat Div 1 and won the Champions of Champions. Under the old system you would be playing Wanderers and the new system you would be playing the Downs. Would Gardens be campagining for change then. I know Downs wont ever move but lets say Wanderers became a really popular club and had a crowd of 600 every week come to their games, would you still think its better to play the Vale rather than Wanderers. Sunday may not be the most popular league forever with the biggest following.

Besides you guys dont need the money. I think we should host the game and you can play both Vale and Wanderers.

[Fresh Football]

The Vale were the best team the Sunday league produced last season - won the league apparently...[/quote]
They won the league granted, but in the Champion of Champions the Vale thought it was a Small Sided Game and thought 9 players might be sufficient.[/quote]

I heard a lot of people saying CofC doesn't mean much when a Saturday team wins, but the same people are prepared to bring out the list of Sunday winners when bragging rights are up for grabs.

It was unfortunate Vale lost it during that game, Wanderers were 1-0 down then going 2-1 up before Vale's first send off it was looking like a fantastic game for everyone except for the coaches

There was a lot riding on the game too, not just bragging rights but medals for the lads, a trophy in the cabinet and some much needed $$$ for the club.

[redfred]

bill bailey cup

[TONKSY]

So does anybody know who,s playing . vale or wanderers .

[nugget66]

So does anybody know who,s playing . vale or wanderers .

Where you wheelie bin TONKSY hospital, jail, court,

We've only been asking the same question for two weeks & nobody know's for certain....

50/50, phone a freind take you pick!

[Rob Lozza]

Also can we get a better name than Champion of Champions

There already is one: President's Cup.

[TONKSY]

So does anybody know who,s playing . vale or wanderers .

Where you wheelie bin TONKSY hospital, jail, court,

We've only been asking the same question for two weeks & nobody know's for certain....

50/50, phone a freind take you pick!

yeh thats right nugget all you fuckers are only 50. 50 . we.ve known for months . like before new years . like . my god if thats the comp . we,re going to be chasing,
might have to put our colts team in . what do you reckon U2 . Come on son your the only one down there that makes any sence at all . lets av it ... luv you alex see you there .

[Missing Post Count]

No I think a club should be able to enjoy the spoils of the $$$ by hosting it.

The reason I think it should be the Cup Winner hosting it is because all clubs have the chance to win the Cup where as Champion of Champion is only Sunday and Saturday Div 1 clubs. The second reason is because the Cup Final and Semi final are played at Grange and the clubs can't host those games and make money over the bar. For clubs like ours, it costs us a fortune winning the cup in all the free drinks we give away.

Also can we get a better name than Champion of Champions

I was wondering why you said the cup winners should host it so thanks for the explanation. Technically all teams ave the chance to participate in the CofC match - they just have make they way up to the top division and win it, which takes more effort than winning a cup.

[lefty]

Parafield Gardens being the successful sporting club that it is has both its Cricket Teams playing in the finals this year following last weekends games. The dates of the finals conflict with the Cichanowski & Round 1 games and we have asked the laegue if the Cichanowski Shield can be played a week prior on Sunday 15th March. Their answer was if your opponent agrees then thats fine.

Having rang the Vale (the team we ARE playing) they kindly allowed the match to be rescheduled being the great sporting club they are too.

Special thanks to Brooksy for his understanding

[evsc]

Just to put this to bed once and for all.....
I spoke to Alex Cichanowski on Friday 6th Feb by phone..he informed me that the Vale will be playing the Cichanowski against Gardens at Gardens The Vale is definately playin the Cichanowski. This came directly from Alex Cichanowski.

[brooksy7]

Mick it was no problem to switch the game for ur club with both ur teams in the finals.Yes it has interupted our preparation a little but sporting clubs shld be helping each other out and if this does tht for ur cricketers and for the club with revenue then we r only to glad to help out Brooksy

[swannsong]

Just a thought...
With the numbers of Saturday teams increasing, maybe it could be time to have 2 Cup competitions, one for Saturday Teams and one for Sunday Teams.
The 2 Cup winners could play a challenge either at the end of that season

Keep the Champion of Champions going as per normal Saturday Div 1 Champs v Sunday Div 1 Champs.

Then at the start of the following season have Saturday Cup Winners v Saturday Div 1 Champions <insert name> Shield .
and Sunday Cup Winners v Sunday Div 1 Champions - Cichanowski Shield.

Or reintroduce a Templin Cup type pre-season competion with 4 or 5 teams from Saturday and the same from Sunday.(with a few night games where possible).

[nugget66]

Elizabeth Vale v Parafield Gardens at home in the Cichanowski Shield that's fantastic news for our club & the game.

I feel a little sorry for the Wanderers & can understand them feeling hard done by if they were told that they were playing in it.

It will be a massive game & huge start to the 2009 season!