WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

[Dr.D]

Things like provisions for injured players to be rehabilitated at lower levels and protecting the social side of the lower divisions. If you look at the progression of the player movement rulings, you can see along the way that clauses were added to allow for these things, i would take this as adequate evidence that SAWSA were listening to suggestions from clubs. However to be fair I don't think the delegate tried to argue for things that were specific to one club, but approached the request for suggestions from a broader perspective than "How can i suggest things to make this whole restructure better for me/us"

Just to clarify though, I'm not saying the current ruling is perfect. I would hate to be in the shoes of a Premier or Div 1 club right now, and in previous posts I have merely stated the reasoning behind the rulings as I understand it. I don't believe I have expressed an endorsment of those decisions.

[gubs]

but couldnt one of the 11 nominated players just be dropped for someone else justd by saying that person was sick or injured when in fact they are dropped?

[paul merson]

Ok Dr D I understand what you are saying regarding social and 'serious' football and the dropping of players, but what happens if one or two of the 11 are in bad form? What if your keeper is one of the 11 and has a few shockers? They get dropped and cant play them self back into form via a lower level?
Its rediculous, and it reflects what I saw on saturday at AU, yes the girls play to win and Im not questioning their motivation or effort but one of the big things I did notice missing from the game was that killer instinct and despiration. This keeping it social should be kept no where near girls that want to progress in the game, because nice girls finish last too.

[gubs]

yeh thats what crap about getting rid of the reserves league. what about those players like the leagues leading goal scorer for the past two years who this year did her knee. shes gonna have to play back in like div 3 or 4 just to get some match practice into her before coming back into prems. those that lose their spots cant then play on a sunday to maintain match fitness and get some form back and confidence that they would normally get from playing ressies.

crap decision. fools

[cg1]

Dr.D I'm still unlcear on what it was precisely the SAWSA listened to and changed their view and enacted upon from your clubs request? The player movements were finalised very closely to draft release, in fact I can't recall a change after the consultation window but there may have been, sounds like you can correct me ok.

Can you be specific on what was SAWSA's view was then your club's "big picture" view that SAWSA then changed and adopted your points.

Thanks in anticipation!

[AWA]

Dr.D by endorsing SAWSA with statements that SAWSA "Some of my clubs concerns were more than adequately addressed," and "i would take this as adequate evidence that SAWSA were listening to suggestions from clubs. " then to state "I don't believe I have expressed an endorsement of those decisions." And “I would hate to be in the shoes of a Premier or Div 1 club right now” isn't just a little contradictory?

Oh and I think you would find most if not all Prem & Div 1 clubs would find the assertion that your club was making “suggestions from a broader perspective than "How can i suggest things to make this whole restructure better for me/us"” quite offensive. I’m sure all Prem and Div 1 clubs also had the best interests of the whole competition as paramount consideration

You sure you aren’t on the Board or related to someone on it?

[the barbarian]

From our clubs observation, with regards to the Delegates meeting that informed clubs of this new structure, most if not all Prem clubs were not in favor of the changes and did not want the reserves league dropped.
The 11 player rule is a joke, and the other restructure was supposedly brought in to benefit or to try to strengthen 'some' clubs with fringe Prem players switching to them. However the 11 player rule is going to work against this occuring?? Who or which clubs will these rules benefit?? Realistically nobody the new rules will result in girls turning away from the game and looking to play other sports.
The so called social clubs/teams in the lower divisions will now be competiting against Reserve teams of premier league clubs and the 'Social' clubs will not be competitive. Probably why some clubs/teams are looking at switching to the amateurs who are looking at starting up a female competition in 2009 so at least they will be able to be competative.
A few years ago The Prem clubs tried to request through SAWSA and the board that Prems also have an interchange rule.
Again most if not all clubs were in favor as this would assist development of junior players and give girls who were on the bench the opportunity to have more game time. But as per usual SAWSA ignored or rejected the request.
I would have thought that this New 11 player ruling(as bad as it is) would lend itself to also having an interchange situation for prem games, again to allow fringe prem players the opportunity to get more game time, but again it was rejected(and yes it was one of the suggestions sent into sawsa when feedback was requested relating to the restructuring).

The other thing our club could not understand is that now that womens soccer is also Under FFSA
It still appears that the womens/girls affiliation fees will still be much higher than the boys affiliation fees?? can anyone tell me why if we are all under the same association?
Lastly I wonder what Michael carter thinks about the restructure and some of the rules that will be implemented in 2009?
It was also interesting to note that most of the restructuring seemed to be put into place before SAWSA changed over to ffsa? Why?

[John Cena]

all i can say that the clubs did not have enough balls to go against the ruling of sawsa, get into FFSA ears and try and make some common sense of this debacle...back to topic, I WANT HARRY AND QUIGS TO START NEXT GAME

[bennylava]

---------mclaren
alagich-shorty-swaffer-amorim
------------black
vickie------------------donna
------------ange
-------quigs-----scalzi

[John Cena]

---------mclaren
alagich-shorty-swaffer-amorim
------------blackvickie------------------donna
------------ange
-------quigs-----scalzi

are you serious, give the young ones a go , not going to make a difference making the finals, SB to old to slow...harsh but reality

[bennylava]

shed be good in a holding midfield role

who would you have instead

keeping in mind harry isnt really that young

[Dr.D]

Dr.D by endorsing SAWSA with statements that SAWSA "Some of my clubs concerns were more than adequately addressed," and "i would take this as adequate evidence that SAWSA were listening to suggestions from clubs. " then to state "I don't believe I have expressed an endorsement of those decisions." And “I would hate to be in the shoes of a Premier or Div 1 club right now” isn't just a little contradictory?

Oh and I think you would find most if not all Prem & Div 1 clubs would find the assertion that your club was making “suggestions from a broader perspective than "How can i suggest things to make this whole restructure better for me/us"” quite offensive. I’m sure all Prem and Div 1 clubs also had the best interests of the whole competition as paramount consideration

You sure you aren’t on the Board or related to someone on it?

AWA you are just too black and white for me mate!

I will try and explain myself better, because clearly i am failing.

No i don't see it as contradictory, because i am expressing some satisfaction that they listened to some concerns our club had and took some steps to implement changes to the new structure that would alleviate the pressure. By making these statements I am not endorsing the WHOLE RESTRUCTURE change, I am however saying that in the broader scheme of things I personally have accepted that like it or not the changes are here, they're not going to change back (they've made that perfectly clear), But i can express that their attempts to accomodate the concerns of my club were adequate given the circumstances, which is NO ONE IS REALLY GOING TO BE HAPPY UNLESS THEY REINSTATE THE RESERVES AND THATS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPENING.

And sorry if you find the connotation that the Prem clubs look after themselves first and the lower leagues second, but i think you'll find that in the past most of the restructures that have taken place have been done to cater to the higher leagues, and have had at times detrimental affects on the lower leagues and their clubs. Even now, most of the conversation in this topic is about concerns for the Premier clubs, and the form of their players etc etc, how they will cope. How do you think the Div 2 and Div 3 teams are going to cope with an influx of Reserves players???? How do you think some of the teams that won championships this year feel, knowing that if they accept their well deserved promotions, they might face the loss of players because they'll potentially be playing against 4 - 5 "Reserves" teams.

And no i'm not on the board, related to or sleeping with anyone on the board I just love the game and I'm just trying to take a stance of making the most of a bad situation. And I'm trying to see things from both sides.

Just call me Devil's Advocate and we'll call it even

[beaches]

How old do you think Harry is ? Are you saying 25 -26 is too old ? She has been consistently in the top level of players in SA for more than 10 years. Harry has been target of hackers in Premier League over the years. She is prepared to run both ends of the ground. Also has plenty of nous, this was shown again when she came on last week, playing the ball to teamates feet, and putting the ball through to Quigs was a revelation in the context of what was going on out there.
This Adelaide United team needs players like Harry, to show up and comers the way to play the game. She still has good pace (surprising due to the hacking over the years.).
Good on you Harry you are a credit to yourself and Football in SA. Keep cruising.

[SAD GAL]

Too small and ineffective IMO. Might as well bring Shibby Fleetwood. She's just as good and far more effective IMO.

Unfortunately what I saw of HH is that she does run around like a busy bee however, tries to outrun all midfielders and defenders and ALWAYS ends up losing the ball OR when she does inevitably passes it on its because its the last resort before she gets “hacked”. If she played a far less selfish game she would be far better.

SB is a war horse AND leads by example. She is not a selfish players AND plays players into the game. ALWAYS!

How old do you think Harry is ? Are you saying 25 -26 is too old ? She has been consistently in the top level of players in SA for more than 10 years. Harry has been target of hackers in Premier League over the years. She is prepared to run both ends of the ground. Also has plenty of nous, this was shown again when she came on last week, playing the ball to teamates feet, and putting the ball through to Quigs was a revelation in the context of what was going on out there.
This Adelaide United team needs players like Harry, to show up and comers the way to play the game. She still has good pace (surprising due to the hacking over the years.).
Good on you Harry you are a credit to yourself and Football in SA. Keep cruising.

[bennylava]

its not about age, its professional football

if an 80yo is good enough and does the job then why shouldnt she get the job

black, played correctly is one of the teams best players.

who cares if finals arnt possible/unlikely...doesnt mean we should play 11 youngins who intend to go out there as indivudials and play for themselves to make sure they get picked next year...or we'lll lose alot more than 6-0

my starting 11>barnetts

[beaches]

Bout time a few others got busy in my opinion.
SAD GAL over the time you have been posting on this forum I have noticed your opinion of Harry, have you considered that many times she holds the ball because there is not an option available so why should she give the ball to someone in a worse position. This should not happen in W- league. Players playing in this should have enough Football nous to make better position to demand and receive the ball.
And you are talking a player who is not in Harrys league. Then again there are not too many in SA who are.. Thats my opinion.

[Leppskiii]

SG - Sturt ties

[SAD GAL]

Beaches...I am sick and tired of observers of the game thinking because a player runs around and looks busy and gets in everyone elses way (just to look good and get ref votes) would equate to a fantastic player and that some others should get busy!!! For mine, less work on the ball. Coupled with precise passing and skill that plays their player into the game and into a winning position is valuable. That one ain't! The ball needs to do the work.

Secondly, the team has the right balance and the effort should be towards getting selection and training done earlier. Barnett has not had the best foundatiosn because the whole W-League took so long to get sorted out. Guaranteed it will be a far better outfit (new players or not) next season.

He is the right person to lead the team. Also remember Richie Alagich is there too. Is he being singled out too????

Bout time a few others got busy in my opinion.
SAD GAL over the time you have been posting on this forum I have noticed your opinion of Harry, have you considered that many times she holds the ball because there is not an option available so why should she give the ball to someone in a worse position. This should not happen in W- league. Players playing in this should have enough Football nous to make better position to demand and receive the ball.
And you are talking a player who is not in Harrys league. Then again there are not too many in SA who are.. Thats my opinion.

[Unretired]

Secondly, the team has the right balance and the effort should be towards getting selection and training done earlier. Barnett has not had the best foundatiosn because the whole W-League took so long to get sorted out. Guaranteed it will be a far better outfit (new players or not) next season.

I get quite frustrated when people say this because Barnett had exactly the same amount of time as everyone else did so you can not use that as an excuse. All other teams are getting better as they go ahead!!! Why is Au getting worse that is the question that needs to be answered

[guess_who]

all i can say that the clubs did not have enough balls to go against the ruling of sawsa, get into FFSA ears and try and make some common sense of this debacle...back to topic, I WANT HARRY AND QUIGS TO START NEXT GAME

Why weaken an already weak team. This is not the answer. Thats my opinion.

[beaches]

An observer yep fo 14 years, not everyone can be a super star player and critic like you. I won't go into my involvement in Womens Football at this time, suffice to say their are some people who respect my opinion. I have seen and spoken to a lot of players, from Junior level through to International Level. You see there are times being an observor and not a player or coach where having no ego to feed is probably an advantage.

[John Cena]

i have been involved a little longer that 14 years,,,,,its no use playing SB in the remaining games, use the bench players and see if there worthy of a contract next season,playing SB is not for the future of the team, harry played ball to feet every time and we looked good..........sad gal.....if your linked to SM can you make sure bec is ok cause we havent heard from her about the way she acted when SB got subbed.....

[SAD GAL]

All due respect Beaches...I mean no disrespect to you.

Mrs T? I can't say what I have seen to date equates to other state better than us! Its just different degrees of "ordinary". Lets not split hairs.

Next year will be far better.

Bec?? Not seen or heard from her.

[John Cena]

maybe shes embarassed herself and her club they way she carried on saturday........

[bennylava]

its no use playing SB in the remaining games, use the bench players and see if there worthy of a contract next season,playing SB is not for the future of the team

crap crap attitude im afraid barnett shares.

why should i support a team and give them my money when they have effectivley given up

it will be months and months before w-league v2 so theres plenty of time to decide on a squad for next year

it doesnt matter about the future of auwfc because were are living in the present, and at present sharon black deserves a spot in the squad.

do you think adelaide united mens should field their youth team and scrap everyone over 30 because they arn't the future of the club, regardless of ability.

to conclude and reiterate
- we are not in the future
- au should not field 11 players looking to prove themselves as individuals, or we'll lose 10-0
- sharon black is one of the squads best, and therefore should be played (properly) despite what the future may bring
- this forum does my head in often
- forza sawsa utd of marion town and general black!

[paul merson]

Secondly, the team has the right balance and the effort should be towards getting selection and training done earlier. Barnett has not had the best foundatiosn because the whole W-League took so long to get sorted out. Guaranteed it will be a far better outfit (new players or not) next season.

I get quite frustrated when people say this because Barnett had exactly the same amount of time as everyone else did so you can not use that as an excuse. All other teams are getting better as they go ahead!!! Why is Au getting worse that is the question that needs to be answered

Do you think maybe the fact that Mike Barnett was also winning the FFSA cup and getting us (metro) to the Final whilst putting this team together had anything to do with it?
We noticed a training difference at that time too, not saying it was bad but its a big enough job coaching a super league team with out being introduced to the womens league and needing to pick a team from a league where you have never even heard of any of the players let alone seen them.
I think it was a good decision to get a top mens super league coach involved but probably should have had an assistant that is familiar to the local womens league.
I could never understand why senior mens teams had nothing to do with the womens teams at their clubs, I also have questioned this regarding juniors at our club too.
Just looking in my/ our own back garden and there are stacks of players with a wealth of experience that could help a local womens team. Just an opinion.

[gubs]

---------wirkus
amorin-shorty-alagich-swaffer (1st half or 60 mins then slater)
quigs----black (1st half then harrison)----donna
-------ange
-------vic-----scalzi

chilvers to replace donna or quigs

harvey res keeper

[SpazzTic]

Amorim suspended - 3 cards

[John Cena]

its no use playing SB in the remaining games, use the bench players and see if there worthy of a contract next season,playing SB is not for the future of the team

crap crap attitude im afraid barnett shares.

why should i support a team and give them my money when they have effectivley given up

it will be months and months before w-league v2 so theres plenty of time to decide on a squad for next year

it doesnt matter about the future of auwfc because were are living in the present, and at present sharon black deserves a spot in the squad.

do you think adelaide united mens should field their youth team and scrap everyone over 30 because they arn't the future of the club, regardless of ability.

to conclude and reiterate
- we are not in the future
- au should not field 11 players looking to prove themselves as individuals, or we'll lose 10-0
- sharon black is one of the squads best, and therefore should be played (properly) despite what the future may bring
- this forum does my head in often
- forza sawsa utd of marion town and general black!

loosen the scarf around your neck and im sure your head would be better for it....benny...we lost 6 nil to a team that was under us, and lucky we didnt cop 10.......

[bennylava]

and with your attitude of playing young players being instructed to prove themselves we wont have the luck and will lose 10-0+

the team is very unprofessional