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that pisses me off! rafa should ban him from leavingBali Cowman wrote:torres gets injured every bottle of shiraz time there's an international break.
yes i read that on soccernet.com. I pretty sure that it is official.delfino_1936 wrote:on Eurosport they said that Madrid's stadium ban will kick in AFTER the home game vs Liverpool
I'm not fussed where it's played now. The only reason I wanted it played at Atletico Madrid's home ground was for Torres's sake. Now he's apparently been ruled out of that game, I no longer care.totsreds08 wrote:that pisses me off! rafa should ban him from leavingBali Cowman wrote:torres gets injured every bottle of shiraz time there's an international break.
yes i read that on soccernet.com. I pretty sure that it is official.delfino_1936 wrote:on Eurosport they said that Madrid's stadium ban will kick in AFTER the home game vs Liverpool
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LFTWNG11 wrote:
does anyone still think Lucas should be ahead of Alonso?!?!?!
But according to you he's farken shyte and farken useless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!totsreds08 wrote:another good win. we can't keep coming from behind because one game we won't. agger needs to play in the champions league this week to gain some match experience for the chelsea game. kuyt seems to be in good form so hopefully he keeps scoring. keane looks alright but just needs to score. i'd still prefer babel on the wing even though pennants crossing is delightful. when keane starts to get a few goals i reckon he will score 10+ this season. big game vs atletico. if we can win this one we should just about be through the group.
kuyt is still effin useless, if babel was playing over kuyt, pool wouldnt be the ones coming back to win, instead ti most likely would have been 2 r 3nil.LFC8 wrote:But according to you he's shiraz cabernet and shiraz useless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!totsreds08 wrote:another good win. we can't keep coming from behind because one game we won't. agger needs to play in the champions league this week to gain some match experience for the chelsea game. kuyt seems to be in good form so hopefully he keeps scoring. keane looks alright but just needs to score. i'd still prefer babel on the wing even though pennants crossing is delightful. when keane starts to get a few goals i reckon he will score 10+ this season. big game vs atletico. if we can win this one we should just about be through the group.
Yeah mate and IF you mum had balls she would be your dad!!!!gooders wrote:kuyt is still effin useless, ifbabel was playing over kuyt, pool wouldnt be the ones coming back to win, instead ti most likely would have been 2 r 3nil.LFC8 wrote:But according to you he's shiraz cabernet and shiraz useless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!totsreds08 wrote:another good win. we can't keep coming from behind because one game we won't. agger needs to play in the champions league this week to gain some match experience for the chelsea game. kuyt seems to be in good form so hopefully he keeps scoring. keane looks alright but just needs to score. i'd still prefer babel on the wing even though pennants crossing is delightful. when keane starts to get a few goals i reckon he will score 10+ this season. big game vs atletico. if we can win this one we should just about be through the group.
any player could have scored the goals he did. kuyt is all luck and no skill.
well the goals he has gotten in the past 2 matches were put on a silver platter minus the last goal. yes last game he was good but until he is more consistent, he isn't good.LFC8 wrote:But according to you he's shiraz cabernet and shiraz useless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!totsreds08 wrote:another good win. we can't keep coming from behind because one game we won't. agger needs to play in the champions league this week to gain some match experience for the chelsea game. kuyt seems to be in good form so hopefully he keeps scoring. keane looks alright but just needs to score. i'd still prefer babel on the wing even though pennants crossing is delightful. when keane starts to get a few goals i reckon he will score 10+ this season. big game vs atletico. if we can win this one we should just about be through the group.
totally agree wif u there but means nothin if u cant finish for shitredders wrote:IMO Kuyt has been our most consistant performer this season. Works his socks off everygame, which cant be said for some others and often plays out of his natural position.
Skrtle(before injury) and Kuyt have been our most consistant.
Masch, Gerrard, Cesc, Lampard and Essien.delfino_1936 wrote:Alonso, Cesc, Gerrard, Lampard, Essien are by far the premier CM's in the league
was talking to a few of my chelsea mates and according to them mascherano doesn't do much in a game therefore he isn't the best dm in the world. one of them even called him a 'dud'Gerrard_of_SA wrote:Masch, Gerrard, Cesc, Lampard and Essien.delfino_1936 wrote:Alonso, Cesc, Gerrard, Lampard, Essien are by far the premier CM's in the league
Alonso is nowhere near the quality of the others you mentioned, Mascherano on the other hand is the best DM in the world.
Alonso is probably the best passer of the ball in the EPL with Cesc and you say he doesn't match the quality.Gerrard_of_SA wrote:Masch, Gerrard, Cesc, Lampard and Essien.delfino_1936 wrote:Alonso, Cesc, Gerrard, Lampard, Essien are by far the premier CM's in the league
Alonso is nowhere near the quality of the others you mentioned, Mascherano on the other hand is the best DM in the world.
Well they do follow Chelsea...what do they know?totsreds08 wrote:was talking to a few of my chelsea mates and according to them mascherano doesn't do much in a game therefore he isn't the best dm in the world. one of them even called him a 'dud'Gerrard_of_SA wrote:Masch, Gerrard, Cesc, Lampard and Essien.delfino_1936 wrote:Alonso, Cesc, Gerrard, Lampard, Essien are by far the premier CM's in the league
Alonso is nowhere near the quality of the others you mentioned, Mascherano on the other hand is the best DM in the world.
Yes Alonso is a great passer of the ball, but he often tries to pull off a tricky pass, rather than an easy one, which leads to us giving away cheap possession. Prime example during the Wigan game the other night, he tried a tricky long ball to Pennant from our defence, but screwed it up and giving the ball straight to Wigans midfielder, rendering us in trouble at the back, as most players were beginning to advance.delfino_1936 wrote:Alonso is probably the best passer of the ball in the EPL with Cesc and you say he doesn't match the quality.Gerrard_of_SA wrote:Masch, Gerrard, Cesc, Lampard and Essien.delfino_1936 wrote:Alonso, Cesc, Gerrard, Lampard, Essien are by far the premier CM's in the league
Alonso is nowhere near the quality of the others you mentioned, Mascherano on the other hand is the best DM in the world.
Masch is good cause he works hard and wins the ball but his distribution lets him down MASSIVELY
Kuyt > Pennant on the right wing anyday. Pennant should of agreed on a move to Ewood durin the off season, he would of done the club a favour. I think ive seen pennant play 3 good games for the club.totsreds08 wrote:yes kuyt does work hard but where does running around like a headless chook get you. RM should be for a player that is threatening going up (babel or pennant) and that tracks back as well (kuyt does this though).
redders wrote:Kuyt > Pennant on the right wing anyday. Pennant should of agreed on a move to Ewood durin the off season, he would of done the club a favour. I think ive seen pennant play 3 good games for the club.totsreds08 wrote:yes kuyt does work hard but where does running around like a headless chook get you. RM should be for a player that is threatening going up (babel or pennant) and that tracks back as well (kuyt does this though).
To all you Kuyt bashers - Actim stats seem to back up my opinion that Kuyt has been our most consistant player this season. This was compiled before his MOM performance on the weekend
I know stats arent everything in football, but these seem to give a reasonable indication of a players performance.
Premier Leagues top 100 (14/10/2008) - http://download.howden.press.net/actim/ ... top100.pdf
ACTIM STATS
"They are derived from all the actions that take place during a match, including goals, shots on target, corners, fouls, offsides, passes, tackles, blocks and clearances. The raw data can be used to generate a wide range of tables and statistics such as player profiles, team and player head-to-heads and form guides.
PA Sport gathers match data for every Barclays English Premier League, Coca-Cola Championship and Scottish Premier League game.
The data is gathered by two methods - real-time match analysis and the study of video footage. The real-time analysis is conducted by ex-professional footballers that report on action at the grounds as it happens. Further, more detailed analysis is obtained by studying videos of the matches.?"
fuckin hell mate, your a laugh, i suppose you think FIFA and pro evo are real life stats too. no mate your having a laugh... Kuyt is not the reason we have been coming from behind every gamegooders wrote:redders wrote:Kuyt > Pennant on the right wing anyday. Pennant should of agreed on a move to Ewood durin the off season, he would of done the club a favour. I think ive seen pennant play 3 good games for the club.totsreds08 wrote:yes kuyt does work hard but where does running around like a headless chook get you. RM should be for a player that is threatening going up (babel or pennant) and that tracks back as well (kuyt does this though).
To all you Kuyt bashers - Actim stats seem to back up my opinion that Kuyt has been our most consistant player this season. This was compiled before his MOM performance on the weekend
I know stats arent everything in football, but these seem to give a reasonable indication of a players performance.
Premier Leagues top 100 (14/10/2008) - http://download.howden.press.net/actim/ ... top100.pdf
ACTIM STATS
"They are derived from all the actions that take place during a match, including goals, shots on target, corners, fouls, offsides, passes, tackles, blocks and clearances. The raw data can be used to generate a wide range of tables and statistics such as player profiles, team and player head-to-heads and form guides.
PA Sport gathers match data for every Barclays English Premier League, Coca-Cola Championship and Scottish Premier League game.
The data is gathered by two methods - real-time match analysis and the study of video footage. The real-time analysis is conducted by ex-professional footballers that report on action at the grounds as it happens. Further, more detailed analysis is obtained by studying videos of the matches.?"
fact is kuyt has 'ONLY' been right time right place, very very lucky, and that is all he is, luck and no skill.
pennant and babel would have done a better job, if they played liverpool would be winning without having to come back.
Infact, I could almost go as far as saying Kuyt is one of the reason we are 2nd gooders wrote:redders, if you 'still' think that kuyt should still be in the side and think hes a good player...then sorry mate your the joke.
Geez, you've changed your tone since pre-season :? :? :? .....you had him in the starting line up in front of Xabi!!totsreds08 wrote:well the goals he has gotten in the past 2 matches were put on a silver platter minus the last goal. yes last game he was good but until he is more consistent, he isn't good.LFC8 wrote:But according to you he's shiraz cabernet and shiraz useless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!totsreds08 wrote:another good win. we can't keep coming from behind because one game we won't. agger needs to play in the champions league this week to gain some match experience for the chelsea game. kuyt seems to be in good form so hopefully he keeps scoring. keane looks alright but just needs to score. i'd still prefer babel on the wing even though pennants crossing is delightful. when keane starts to get a few goals i reckon he will score 10+ this season. big game vs atletico. if we can win this one we should just about be through the group.
and no lucas isn't better than alonso yet.
