FFSA league

[History]

The Chairman of the Parafield Gardens S.C. is only qualified for one thing...

"PLAYING WITH HIS DlCK"

Ronald, you've done well mate, you've gone about this in a professional manner unlike these high profile Chairman, honestly Nugget, you've made yourself look like a wan<er as Billy said, change your user name and go away for a few months because everyone now knows that The Chairman of the Parafield Gardens S.C. plays with his Dlck

Nugget and Lefty are SAASL puppets and im trying to figure out if Baily actually uses strings or his hand

Even if Lefty and nugget were string puppets for the SAASL, which is highly unlikely, it's probably less invasive than being glove puppets for the FFSA ?

i would think its the hand, Baily doesnt use string he just pulls it

[Rumour With A View]

At the end of the day the FFSA is a far more proffesional organization than the SAASL

if a club under the FFSA umbrella is caught doing the wrong thing or plays un-registered players, they are dealt with accordingly and punished, unlike the SAASL that would turn a blind eye and ignore complaints! ALL clubs under the FFSA umbrella are treated fairly and the same, unlike the SAASL where they pick and choose and the "under the table deals".

as i mentioned before, only recently a Sun Div 2 club experienced the above and fell victim to the SAASL merry-go-round!

nugget and all the other puppets that enjoy their league... good luck! i just hope one day it happens to you.

SAASL = Amateurs (say no more)

i hope the club that i play for choose and convert to the FFSA

and one more thing nugget... a reminder, this is a public forum, be carefull what you post, we wouldnt want your sponsors knowing how much of a FLOG you really are

I hear that sour grapes make a good whine !

[History]

At the end of the day the FFSA is a far more proffesional organization than the SAASL

if a club under the FFSA umbrella is caught doing the wrong thing or plays un-registered players, they are dealt with accordingly and punished, unlike the SAASL that would turn a blind eye and ignore complaints! ALL clubs under the FFSA umbrella are treated fairly and the same, unlike the SAASL where they pick and choose and the "under the table deals".

as i mentioned before, only recently a Sun Div 2 club experienced the above and fell victim to the SAASL merry-go-round!

nugget and all the other puppets that enjoy their league... good luck! i just hope one day it happens to you.

SAASL = Amateurs (say no more)

i hope the club that i play for choose and convert to the FFSA

and one more thing nugget... a reminder, this is a public forum, be carefull what you post, we wouldnt want your sponsors knowing how much of a FLOG you really are

I hear that sour grapes make a good whine !

really you need clean out your ears coz you hear wrong i just feel the clubs that have fallen victims into the SAASL's under the table deals, i think everyone knows the clubs in question, did you not hear about the poor bastads in Sun Div 2 ??? treated un-fairly and were not given a chance ?

the SAASL have been sitting on decisions for some time now (weeks) and still have not made decisions, its a joke, the clubs in question probably wont even get a fair chance, BRUSH IT UNDER THE CARPET good ol SAASL

[History]

how long do clubs have to wait for decisions from the SAASL when the facts and decisions are simple ???

[Missing Post Count]

how long do clubs have to wait for decisions from the SAASL when the facts and decisions are simple ???

Whilst I think cup draws can be sooner with certain incidents SAASL has to hear all sides of the story before they can make a decision.

[Latte]

At the end of the day the FFSA is a far more proffesional organization than the SAASL

if a club under the FFSA umbrella is caught doing the wrong thing or plays un-registered players, they are dealt with accordingly and punished, unlike the SAASL that would turn a blind eye and ignore complaints! ALL clubs under the FFSA umbrella are treated fairly and the same, unlike the SAASL where they pick and choose and the "under the table deals".

as i mentioned before, only recently a Sun Div 2 club experienced the above and fell victim to the SAASL merry-go-round!

nugget and all the other puppets that enjoy their league... good luck! i just hope one day it happens to you.

SAASL = Amateurs (say no more)

i hope the club that i play for choose and convert to the FFSA

and one more thing nugget... a reminder, this is a public forum, be carefull what you post, we wouldnt want your sponsors knowing how much of a FLOG you really are

Guus, whatsa de problem, I assure you there are no funny business under de table. We look after each other, oops I mean we look after certain teams, oops I mean its our league our money, oops I mean its your league, are damn it, just go join the FFSA, we already have youar money.

You can make way for, New Teams=New Stupid People=$$$$$$$$$ for SAASL, yes better you make de way for these.

[Aldo Serena]

is it true Aldo, that your club might be looking for a new ground if you dont join the metro league as per the main club who runs the facility request?

At this point, we haven't made any decisions whatsoever. How can you make a decision when you don't have all the facts?? Once the FFSA roll out the blueprint, we will make a decision in the best interests of MSSC Blue Eagles.

By the way, I would be interested to see where your rumour came from - you can PM me if you don't want to reveal it publicly.

[swannsong]

At the end of the day the FFSA is a far more proffesional organization than the SAASL

if a club under the FFSA umbrella is caught doing the wrong thing or plays un-registered players, they are dealt with accordingly and punished, unlike the SAASL that would turn a blind eye and ignore complaints! ALL clubs under the FFSA umbrella are treated fairly and the same, unlike the SAASL where they pick and choose and the "under the table deals".

as i mentioned before, only recently a Sun Div 2 club experienced the above and fell victim to the SAASL merry-go-round!

nugget and all the other puppets that enjoy their league... good luck! i just hope one day it happens to you.

SAASL = Amateurs (say no more)

i hope the club that i play for choose and convert to the FFSA

and one more thing nugget... a reminder, this is a public forum, be carefull what you post, we wouldnt want your sponsors knowing how much of a FLOG you really are

Guus, whatsa de problem, I assure you there are no funny business under de table. We look after each other, oops I mean we look after certain teams, oops I mean its our league our money, oops I mean its your league, are damn it, just go join the FFSA, we already have youar money.

You can make way for, New Teams=New Stupid People=$$$$$$$$$ for SAASL, yes better you make de way for these.

It's pretty sad when you hide behind names of real people to try and get an unsubstantiated somewhat slanderous point across, not even sure about the legal ramifications of that one !

[redfred]

My son will be playing for $120 next year at a FFSA club and I know of another FFSA club he could play for and it would only cost $100.

Playford SSG's and Jets SSG's

good to see jets ssg fees are only $120. this fee will jump consideringly soon enough. jets fees for u/11 upwards is $500 this year. was about $300 4-5 years ago , so if increases keep going the way they have then by the time your kids have gone from young ssg to teenager expect $700 fees, you may get a ball,shorts and socks. with rumoured $80,000 debts the moneys gotta come from somewhere.

[Knight7]

At the end of the day the FFSA is a far more proffesional organization than the SAASL

if a club under the FFSA umbrella is caught doing the wrong thing or plays un-registered players, they are dealt with accordingly and punished, unlike the SAASL that would turn a blind eye and ignore complaints! ALL clubs under the FFSA umbrella are treated fairly and the same, unlike the SAASL where they pick and choose and the "under the table deals".

as i mentioned before, only recently a Sun Div 2 club experienced the above and fell victim to the SAASL merry-go-round!

nugget and all the other puppets that enjoy their league... good luck! i just hope one day it happens to you.

SAASL = Amateurs (say no more)

i hope the club that i play for choose and convert to the FFSA

and one more thing nugget... a reminder, this is a public forum, be carefull what you post, we wouldnt want your sponsors knowing how much of a FLOG you really are

lol pot calling the kettle black - don't think your doing yourself any favours either

[DOC]

i would say the main problem i have is the safety issues i have experienced while playing, if the saasl took a harder stance agains clubs causing issues such as continuous violence at games and playing illeagal/unregistered players, then clubs would be more than happier to stay as many people have said on this forum that they haven't done much wrong in a long period of time, apart from a soft stance against clubs.

i think the ffsa league could possibly offer a safer environment.

[ALEPOU]

look at all of you

get a grip, who cares

just play football

[swannsong]

i would say the main problem i have is the safety issues i have experienced while playing, if the saasl took a harder stance agains clubs causing issues such as continuous violence at games and playing illeagal/unregistered players, then clubs would be more than happier to stay as many people have said on this forum that they haven't done much wrong in a long period of time, apart from a soft stance against clubs.

i think the ffsa league could possibly offer a safer environment.

Definitely, for one there wouldn't be any spectator issues, you need spectators for that.
I think the jist of what pro-SAASL people are saying to pro-FFSA people is that -FFSA have got a lot of issues to resolve with their own member Clubs, SAASL has some issues, no one is saying they don't, but they are directed by what it's voting member say, and they will be addressing those issues in 2009.
Once FFSA has dealt with it's own problems and can become more transparent and resume communication wit the SAASL and the Referees, then a unification will occur.
Remember FFSA currently has only one third of the football community whereas SAASL now embodies two thirds of the football community. When an organization such as the SAASL is asked to hand over ~$200,000 annually for National Registration Fees, Insurance and Development Levy, then you would be within your rights to want to have some say in the matter.

[gunner_59]

(Sorry if this post appears twice... the first one submitted seems to have disappeared)

Bodo is right.... some decisions can't be made too hastily because all the stakeholders need to provide their evidence before a ruling can be made.
Every sporting body makes rulings which appear unjust or take a long time to be made (including SAASL, FFSA, AFL).
And you have to look no further than to FIFA for slow and unjust decisions... read up at http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blogs/sc ... aq-141322/.
Basically a Brazilian plays for Qatar in a World Cup qualifier against Iraq. Two months later it is discovered that he had played under a different name for the Brazil national team (U/20).
Read the article to hear about FIFA's part in all this.... so if it can happen at FIFA, it can happen at FFSA, SAASL, etc.
So those of you taking the high moral ground about the integrity of one sporting administration over another have no grounds for your argument.. (and until BOTH the FFSA and the SAASL are more transparent about lots of things, no-one can really know which organization has any INTEGRITY).

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I know sometimes it would be nice if they made an announcement on their website when they've made decisions on certain instances so everyone can see what they've decided and why. I was at Black Eagles that day so I know what I saw, but there have been other issues where everyone has put their two cents (some with and without bias) and it's left for us to try and connect the dots. It's easier for us to report something on a forum than it is for a governing body to interview ALL relevant parties, witnesses etc. and then decide on a course of action.

[DOC]

so what your saying swanny is that once the respective bodies have cleaned up their act a bit, they could come together and reach a better agreement?

[Missing Post Count]

so what your saying swanny is that once the respective bodies have cleaned up their act a bit, they could come together and reach a better agreement?

Whilst both have hidden agendas you can't expect people not to be skeptical. There's always more to these things than meet the eye and it's not always black and white.

[swannsong]

so what your saying swanny is that once the respective bodies have cleaned up their act a bit, they could come together and reach a better agreement?

No, that's what you're saying that I am saying.

[DOC]

that you've just said that i said what you said...

[swannsong]

that you've just said that i said what you said...

If you say so !

[Missing Post Count]

And so say all of us

[DOC]

thought that one would get you... it will be interesting to see what comes out of both parties as clubs start looking toward next year as coaches are announced... swan, you got any news on what saasl has got on offer, other than whats posted on the website...

[swannsong]

thought that one would get you... it will be interesting to see what comes out of both parties as clubs start looking toward next year as coaches are announced... swan, you got any news on what saasl has got on offer, other than whats posted on the website...

I just went along to the first of these meetings at Sturt Marion to hear what SAASL and the Referees had to say.
Then listened to what the attending Clubs had to say.
Rather than Chinese Whisper what was said, I suggest that people should go along themselves and ask the questions they want answered and to hear how others are thinking.
I might try to get along to Meeting 4 at Grange on the 15th.

[DOC]

cheers, i would rather learn the facts from both parties rather than hurl abuse arouns... just good to know what ahead for your club to and where they will stand next year

[Rodney]

My son will be playing for $120 next year at a FFSA club and I know of another FFSA club he could play for and it would only cost $100.

Playford SSG's and Jets SSG's

good to see jets ssg fees are only $120. this fee will jump consideringly soon enough. jets fees for u/11 upwards is $500 this year. was about $300 4-5 years ago , so if increases keep going the way they have then by the time your kids have gone from young ssg to teenager expect $700 fees, you may get a ball,shorts and socks. with rumoured $80,000 debts the moneys gotta come from somewhere.

SSGs is being rolled out over the next 5 years up to under 12's so the sheep station stuff will not start until U13 thats approx 5 years away for my son, so we should have at least 5 years of reasonable fees and by the time he gets to U13 there might be other options within clubs who knows.

All I do know is I dont want him playing on an adult size with 22 other kids trying to get a kick in these age brackets.(especially when he is only seven/eight)
And even if the fees do go up in this period, I am quite willing to pay for it as I want whats best for his development/enjoyment. The gear you get isnt really the importantant thing - your childs football development/enjoyment is and thats why Im going down this track

[nugget66]

cheers, i would rather learn the facts from both parties rather than hurl abuse arouns...

DOC if people were writing facts rather than lies there would be no abuse!!! SIMPLE


I asked a accountant friend of mine how would you measure the success of a sporting association, obviously being a accountant his first comment was whether there financially sound & make a profit each year. I then asked other than dollars how else? participation numbers & structure he said,
I then put it to him about the SAASL & the facts, million dollars in the bank with record participation numbers & doing it for well over forty years!
He said there obviously doing something right!!!

I then told him about the TAKE OVER bid with the FFSA ( & lets be honest that's what it is! ) & them with a very poor structure & financial record. He said that he didn't understand why would they want to change a successful formula, why not affiliate with the SAASL & leave the structure & status quo & may-be learn, copy?

Why?

Exactly!

Why Not!!!

[Jay Walking]

Another President throws his hat into the ring.

I think one problem is that this is becoming to much of an us v's them situation and people with personal agendas are attacking others based on their own circumstance.

Yes, I have spoken with the FFSA in regards to their new league, in fact I spoke with Mr Carter so at the moment their is nobody higher. Before all the Amatuer clubs have a go at me I think it is important to gain all the facts so that I can take that to my committee and we can make a decision on what is best for the our club.

Currently, Ingle Farm wouldn't move to the FFSA based on the information they have provided us. At the moment they are still trying to get their resources and plans together. I think they may stuggle to have the competition up and running this season but they are going to push ahead.

The SAASL which I have been involved in now for 8 years is a fairly well run organisation. Yes its Amatuer because we play in an Amatuer competition. There are things that can be improved upon but in my time, I wouldn't be all that critical of the league. Bill, Alex, Bob, Denise, Tony and co work very very hard and whilst some decisions upset some clubs, they do try to act in the leagues best interest. I find it funny that we blame the league for the problems of clubs behaviour but never the actual club or individual. A lot of the behaviour I read on here wouldn't be tolerated at clubs like mine or Elizabeth Downs. We wouldn't wait for the league to ban players, we would simply tell that player to get lost which we have done.

Where the stumbling block is as far as I can see isn't what's in the SAASL's bank account. The FFSA are happy to leave that but what they want to do is introduce a tariff to all registered players in the Amatuer competition. This money would be used for junior development. I think that the FFSA has a bad reputation due to the old SASF and the SAASL are worried that the money raised wouldn't be used for that purpose. I think the SAASL also find it strange that they would have to pay equal amounts to FFSA clubs for development despite the fact that they may never see the benefits of that money. We get lots of players come through the Federation system that play for our club. We also get alot that come through from EDJSA and that have never played the game before. The Federation system doesn't have a team currently for these people to play in and there in lies part of the problem.

Not only that, when you read about what some Federation players are getting paid, many realise that some of this money is raised by charging juniors a lot of money. I for one dont want to pay a levy to ensure that a guy at Metro Stars earns $350 pw or that a U14 kid from Adelaide City has 2 tracksuits, shorts, polo top etc etc. I have nothing against Federation clubs and watch Para Hills play 5-6 times a year. I understand it is expensive to run these clubs but I dont think that myself, a guy who is playing for fitness and social reasons should have to find even more money to play the game. Adelaide United and the Socceroos get enough of my money already.

The league is profitable and most SAASL aren't upset about that fact. Most see it as a badge of honour as they are the ones who have helped create that profit.

Marooned and Lefty, send me a PM if you want to know more about the discussions with the FFSA. I do think that eventually it would be best if we are under the one umbrella. I dont think that the SAASL should just roll over because if money does become tight, who will become the ugly step sister, the Amatuer clubs, not the Federation clubs.

[nugget66]

Great post Jay!

& I dont want to pm you anyway but nice work

[Missing Post Count]

Great post Jay!

And a very interesting and balanced read.

[swannsong]

I just wish Jay would spell amateur correctly.