FFSA league

[History]

funny swan

beleive me, i wouldnt be ashamed admitting it if i was a part and or a member of a recognized FIFA organization (FFSA)

myself along with others have our own oppinions and know all about the cheats in this comp and the under the table deals at Grange

at the end of the day the SAASL have made some very bad decissons and turned a blind eye to alot of incidents which have cost clubs relegation.

[BeNatural]

the details and fee structure was presented at the recent fed club's meeting.

from what i can see the fees are very reasonable,

better insurance coverage for players and clubs (no liability fee saving clubs up to $5000 a year on facilities insurance - $20m liability cover, no director's insurance fee saving clubs up to $1000 a year) all covered in player insurance costs of around $15, Loss of income around $250 a week for 6 weeks or somehting, SAASL currently $150 a week for a fortnight.

FFA qualified referees, all other competition referees will no longer be FFA qualified or registered, only those in FFA run competitions in Aus to be recognised as qualified.

[D.E.B.S.]

how much for player registration

[BeNatural]

Team Nomination Fee 255.00
FFA National Registration Fee (NRF) 20.00
FFSA Player Licence Fee 18.15
FFSA Player Insurance 14.85 (includes Personal Accident ,Public Liability,Directors & Officers & Capital Benefits)

So really it would cost a team of 16 players - 70 total a year, with 20 going to the FFA and another 15 for insurance, there for 35 is the total ffsa fee per player.

It costs me $6 a game of futsal for my kids to play and they play between 15-20 games, totalling $120 a season in fees.

[kramerica]

Team Nomination Fee 255.00
FFA National Registration Fee (NRF) 20.00
FFSA Player Licence Fee 18.15
FFSA Player Insurance 14.85 (includes Personal Accident ,Public Liability,Directors & Officers & Capital Benefits)

So really it would cost a team of 16 players - 70 total a year, with 20 going to the FFA and another 15 for insurance, there for 35 is the total ffsa fee per player.

It costs me $6 a game of futsal for my kids to play and they play between 15-20 games, totalling $120 a season in fees.

This sounds very reasonable and good. Where can someone find the official details, other than being at the meeting, cause its worth looking at.

[swannsong]

Just returned from one of the special meetings (at Sturt Marion) the SAASL is holding to keep clubs, people informed of where things are at.
Some of the comments and figures being posted in this forum are way off the mark.
I suggest you go along and hear the information first hand !

[Monkey Boy]

Well let us know then Swanny?

[swannsong]

Well let us know then Swanny?

Then that information would be second hand !

[nugget66]

It's no use swanny imbeciles like Guus_H work on lies not facts you only have to look at his posts & not one response to any facts posted!

My advice to you Guus is to take your saturday Div.3 club off to the promised land if our league is no good.

SEE YA BYE!

[James]

i haven t seen the proposal so i cant comment on the that side of things. Have u swannsong?

Exactly !

Interesting you picked the first bit of this post and didnt respond to the later. You would be a good politician.

Whats the SAASF's response to the proposal from last nights meeting?

Not interested, come back again with another proposal

or

SAASF come up with what they want out of amalgamation and provide feedback.

or

just not interested because there is no benifit from the SAASF and stay as you are.

Its easy to sit back and say NO.

[Wraith]

Just returned from one of the special meetings (at Sturt Marion) the SAASL is holding to keep clubs, people informed of where things are at.
Some of the comments and figures being posted in this forum are way off the mark.
I suggest you go along and hear the information first hand !

Now why should i have to believe anything the SAASL have to say about FFSA's fees.

For all i know they could be blown up deliberately by the SAASL to put us off of FFSA.

I'd much rather see the facts and figures from FFSA directly.

[marooned]

FFSA. Mate Have i got a vehicle for you, you will love. It will benefit everyone.
SAASL. OK give me the details.
FFSA. No details mate trust me it a good deal.
SAASL. Mmm ok is it better than the vehicle im driving now?
FFSA. Much better. Faster and only costs a wee bit more to run.
SAASL. More to run! Tell me more.
FFSA. No details mate but it would be better than that sh itbox you driving now.
SAASL. But I like my car and my family like my car.
FFSA. Trust me mate its crap, this new one is much better.
SAASL. I cant afford it.
FFSA. Yes you can.
SAASL. I know what I can afford better than you do.
FFSA. No you dont ,I know better.
SAASL. Is it reliable?
FFSA. Trust me ive being driving the same car for years.
SAASL. And you are happy with it?
FFSA. Happy as a Hunchback mate.
SAASL. You wouldnt lie to me would you?
FFSA. Never, i do this for a living mate, i cant even spell the word lie.
SAASL. You just did.
FFSA. No i didnt, you misunderstood me.
SAASL. Ok then i'll buy it. How much is the bottom line.
FFSA. No details mate do you want it or not?
SAASL. Sorry mate details are important to me.
FFSA. Rightio then we will stop petrol station from giving you petrol, you cannot get insurance you cannot register your car.
SAASL. So basically you are forcing me to buy this car.
FFSA. Basically.
SAASL. I hate used car salesmen.

[tickets4cheese]

the details and fee structure was presented at the recent fed club's meeting.

from what i can see the fees are very reasonable,

better insurance coverage for players and clubs (no liability fee saving clubs up to $5000 a year on facilities insurance - $20m liability cover, no director's insurance fee saving clubs up to $1000 a year) all covered in player insurance costs of around $15, Loss of income around $250 a week for 6 weeks or somehting, SAASL currently $150 a week for a fortnight.
FFA qualified referees, all other competition referees will no longer be FFA qualified or registered, only those in FFA run competitions in Aus to be recognised as qualified.

sorry but the insurance payments from the saasl you posted are inaccurate. I suffered a broken leg a few years back and was off work for 8 weeks, the league covered me $150 a week for 6 weeks, the first two weeks they don't cover, had i been off for longer they would've covered me for longer. at the end of the day if ur not happy with the insurance cover then take out ur own income protection.

[James]

FFSA. Mate Have i got a vehicle for you, you will love. It will benefit everyone.
SAASL. OK give me the details.
FFSA. No details mate trust me it a good deal.
SAASL. Mmm ok is it better than the vehicle im driving now?
FFSA. Much better. Faster and only costs a wee bit more to run.
SAASL. More to run! Tell me more.
FFSA. No details mate but it would be better than that sh itbox you driving now.
SAASL. But I like my car and my family like my car.
FFSA. Trust me mate its crap, this new one is much better.
SAASL. I cant afford it.
FFSA. Yes you can.
SAASL. I know what I can afford better than you do.
FFSA. No you dont ,I know better.
SAASL. Is it reliable?
FFSA. Trust me ive being driving the same car for years.
SAASL. And you are happy with it?
FFSA. Happy as a Hunchback mate.
SAASL. You wouldnt lie to me would you?
FFSA. Never, i do this for a living mate, i cant even spell the word lie.
SAASL. You just did.
FFSA. No i didnt, you misunderstood me.
SAASL. Ok then i'll buy it. How much is the bottom line.
FFSA. No details mate do you want it or not?
SAASL. Sorry mate details are important to me.
FFSA. Rightio then we will stop petrol station from giving you petrol, you cannot get insurance you cannot register your car.
SAASL. So basically you are forcing me to buy this car.
FFSA. Basically.
SAASL. I hate used car salesmen.

Marroned you are in the box seat to negotiate what you want/need out of the deal.

Im not convinced that your representative know what you want.

also you take the assistance from FFSA trained technicians (players) to keep your vehicle performing, but you dont want to assist to train them.

[marooned]

malclm Mac wrote

Marroned you are in the box seat to negotiate what you want/need out of the deal.

Im not convinced that your representative know what you want.

Trust me Malcolm I am in contact on a regular basis with my representative and they know exactly what I want. FFSA cant run their own show, why would anyone in their right mind want to let them run our show. I wouldnt even let them run our canteen! Sorry bad managment and bad public relations to me is a sign that all is not well as the FFSA.

Once again i will state a fact that is always ignored. Different products and different marketplace. Your heading down the wrong road. For a mere $110k a year each me and Swannsong could market your plan and negotiate a lot better that the current FFSA board are doing. After all its all about the money. Isnt it.

Dont worry nugget I still luv ya. Love anyone with Pride and passion

[nugget66]

Bill Baily Im not the tool hiding behind a keyboard under someone elses name you are!
everyone knows who I am & were I stand you on the other hand keep hiding & writting cr*p!

Ronald you don't get it mate!

Marooned is a former chairman of a Div.1 club & he & his club are informed of the facts & is happy with the SAASL acting on our behalf in negotiations with the FFSA to come up with a better proposal than the one put to all clubs which was unanimously rejected !
I am the current chairman of a Div.1 club, am informed of the facts & are happy with the situation & are happy with OUR LEAGUE & ASSOCIATION!

What part of all this dont you understand?

[Wraith]

Bill Baily Im not the tool hiding behind a keyboard under someone elses name you are!
everyone knows who I am & were I stand you on the other hand keep hiding & writting cr*p!

Ronald you don't get it mate!

Marooned is a former chairman of a Div.1 club & he & his club are informed of the facts & is happy with the SAASL acting on our behalf in negotiations with the FFSA to come up with a better proposal than the one put to all clubs which was unanimously rejected !I am the current chairman of a Div.1 club, am informed of the facts & are happy with the situation & are happy with OUR LEAGUE & ASSOCIATION!

What part of all this dont you understand?

When did that vote take place?

[nugget66]

I havent got the exact dates but it was early last year, all clubs were notified.

[James]

Bill Baily Im not the tool hiding behind a keyboard under someone elses name you are!
everyone knows who I am & were I stand you on the other hand keep hiding & writting cr*p!

Ronald you don't get it mate!

Marooned is a former chairman of a Div.1 club & he & his club are informed of the facts & is happy with the SAASL acting on our behalf in negotiations with the FFSA to come up with a better proposal than the one put to all clubs which was unanimously rejected !
I am the current chairman of a Div.1 club, am informed of the facts & are happy with the situation & are happy with OUR LEAGUE & ASSOCIATION!

What part of all this dont you understand?

I dont get the fact that you are willing to take federation players to support your league but you dont want to help in the development of the game in general.

Im not saying you should jump into a deal that does not look after your best interest. but you do have some responsibility to the betterment of the game, or not.

Nugget u done get it. From your post, its all about nuggets world. Based upon that your not qualified to comment on matter on the whole association, only matter to do with your club.

Also i did not know marrooned was an ex chairman, so until you said it id didnt understand any of that part. That was a funny statement to make. Thanks for filling me in on marroons cred. Now there two chairman in your league with little foresight.

[nugget66]

That why we help run two of the oldest & most successful Div.1 clubs in our league stupid,

Whats your credentials other than being a for a successful fast food chain & what knowledge & authority do you have to write on this subject?

It not all about me Ronald it's about my club & the game, FFSA are about the money! we are about the sport!

[swannsong]

I'd love to sit and join in but works a bit busy today.

[James]

That why we help run two of the oldest & most successful Div.1 clubs in our league stupid,
whats your credentials keyboard warrior
It not all about me Ronald it's about my club & the game, FFSA are about the money! we are about the sport!

about me
started at the downs as a junior.
went to federation at age 13 - end of playing as a senior.
currently reside in the over 35's.

Coached seniors and little ones within the federation. also help out some e+d kid looking for extra training.

I see how much the kids need to pay to be in the federation and elite setup. Heaps.
And at the momment maybe the best kids dont get to go away with fed clubs / state teams due to cost.

I suggest the SAASF brokers the amalgamation to ensure that the money contributed to the one federation goes to the kids.
Then the SAASF can be proud of supporting grass roots football.

Also nugget no need to abuse me matey. this is a good healthy debate. But is suppose you cant change what u are.

[lefty]

I dont get the fact that you are willing to take federation players to support your league but you dont want to help in the development of the game in general.

Im not saying you should jump into a deal that does not look after your best interest. but you do have some responsibility to the betterment of the game, or not.

Nugget u done get it. From your post, its all about nuggets world. Based upon that your not qualified to comment on matter on the whole association, only matter to do with your club.

Also i did not know marrooned was an ex chairman, so until you said it id didnt understand any of that part. That was a funny statement to make. Thanks for filling me in on marroons cred. Now there two chairman in your league with little foresight.[/quote]

Mr McDonald you are obviously 1. A pot stirrer 2. FFSA lover 3. Knucklehead with no idea (maybe all 3).

Firstly we dont take federation players they come to a club they can enjoy the later part of their soccer life for whatever reasons. SAASL (not SAASF) clubs have been involved in the development of the game & players (who also go onto play feds) just as long as FFSA and so we have and we always be here for the betterment of the game.

Here's the problem you have a bloke with a baseball bat who wants to get his way and if he doesnt he want to start his own game. We the SAASL clubs have the ball and dont want to play by his rules so we are staying home.

The easy answer is just to put a FFSA sticker over the SAASL one and leave everthing the same but that aint gunna happen.

So when the bloke with the baseball bat puts it away and gets himself a soccer ball and learn a little more about our sport in SA then maybe things will happen for the better.

[nugget66]

Well said lefty thats exactly what Ive been trying to write that for days.

maybe you should be called Billy Bailey nuggett, and the reason i told you to hide behind your keyboard is so you dont embarrass that proud and successful club of yours. 3rd to bottom, very successful

& you forgot still in DIV.1 &2008 BIANCO CUP WINNERS

who's the

[Billy Baily]

then why didn't you write it?

[James]

Mr McDonald you are obviously 1. A pot stirrer 2. FFSA lover 3. Knucklehead with no idea (maybe all 3).

Firstly we dont take federation players they come to a club they can enjoy the later part of their soccer life for whatever reasons. SAASL (not SAASF) clubs have been involved in the development of the game & players (who also go onto play feds) just as long as FFSA and so we have and we always be here for the betterment of the game.

Here's the problem you have a bloke with a baseball bat who wants to get his way and if he doesnt he want to start his own game. We the SAASL clubs have the ball and dont want to play by his rules so we are staying home.

The easy answer is just to put a FFSA sticker over the SAASL one and leave everthing the same but that aint gunna happen.

So when the bloke with the baseball bat puts it away and gets himself a soccer ball and learn a little more about our sport in SA then maybe things will happen for the better.[/quote]

Again lefty, Broker the to deal benifit/safeguard yourselves. Easy.

as for a stirrer, where have i stirred i have just asked for what the amateurs would want out of the deal, and i havne t received one comment to that other than 'dont take our money'.

FFSA lover? I love watching kids develop their skills and then progress through the ranks. I also believe more need to occur from 8-10yo to improve the standard. This needs a unified approach.

As for knuckle head with no idea. The only feed back from u guys is attempted abuse and sooking. Nothing constructive. Oh and advice on running a car. Thanks Marroned

[marooned]

The Chairman of General Motors takes care of his shareholders. He is not in the business of making sure all car manufacturers run well. Chairmen of soccer clubs take care of their members and are not here to prop up other clubs or other financially bankrupt leagues.

It was suggested 10 years ago for the good of football Hawthorn should amalgamate with another struggling club. I was not a good idea but uninformed people said it was the only option. Pigs Ars e. All that was, was an easy out option for people with no forsight. Like you Mr Mcdonald.

[swannsong]

I dont get the fact that you are willing to take federation players to support your league but you dont want to help in the development of the game in general.

Im not saying you should jump into a deal that does not look after your best interest. but you do have some responsibility to the betterment of the game, or not.

Nugget u done get it. From your post, its all about nuggets world. Based upon that your not qualified to comment on matter on the whole association, only matter to do with your club.

Also i did not know marrooned was an ex chairman, so until you said it id didnt understand any of that part. That was a funny statement to make. Thanks for filling me in on marroons cred. Now there two chairman in your league with little foresight.

This is a two way street, how many E&DJSC and Southern Districts "developed" boys end up playing Federation League Football, I think you might be surprised. Elizabeth Downs are a good example of that, they have developed players that go on to Federation level then return back to the Downs in the twilight of their playing days.

[nugget66]

then why didn't you write it?

You are a complete imbecile & thats why you hide behind Bill Baily's name.

I dont have to write history, it's all ready written!

Like your mate Guus, & Ronald you have no idea! You just run of at the mouth talking crap & then wonder why you get abused!

lefty's right your all knuckleheads!

[James]

The Chairman of General Motors takes care of his shareholders. He is not in the business of making sure all car manufacturers run well. Chairmen of soccer clubs take care of their members and are not here to prop up other clubs or other financially bankrupt leagues.

It was suggested 10 years ago for the good of football Hawthorn should amalgamate with another struggling club. I was not a good idea but uninformed people said it was the only option. Pigs Ars e. All that was, was an easy out option for people with no forsight. Like you Mr Mcdonald.

My debate is a based upon bringing it all under one banner, to improve the standard of football as a whole. Not taking your money. But it seems that the only thing on your mind.