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not wishing to detract from Sturt's win, but can anybody explain why and how Fulham's 2nd was disallowed?
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adam wrote:not wishing to detract from Sturt's win, but can anybody explain why and how Fulham's 2nd was disallowed?

was WC linesman...lol........
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it was offside i think.
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yes it was offside, not like it would had altered the outcome seeing it was 4-1
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i disagree
that was a turning point in the game..
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I totally agree with you leps.
Was the turning point in the game and i still dont know how it was called offside when there was still players on the posts from the corner and Harry had to kick it over someones head?????????.

Still well done to Sturt Marion
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Doesnt look offside to me.........
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I agree with all comments so far on here.

Firstly congrts to Sturt They scored four and won. Next as Adam said why was the second goal for Fulham disallowed?

Hmm offside when it hit a Sturt player going over the line, well? which player was offside then?. None from 99% of the people there. That would have put Fulham two nil up, adding to that, Fulham should have had a penalty just before this which could have 'Yes I know it is a maybe' made the score three nil to Fulham and that near enough would of been game set and match instead, penalty claims ignored, second goal ruled off side only one team then were only ever going to win this game and they did. Also take into account Sturt fans sitting near me claimed Sturts first goal was off side and this gives you an idea how the game went.


Too add my two bobs worth The best round of the season should have not been played today but should have been a midweek game before the grand finals, why wheren't they????? Fulham was disadvantage having to wait three weeks for this game since their season had a buy the last round. No league in the world would make teams wait to catch up games, and there is no reason for it they would of had to play a mid week game, so what if one team was playing in a final. Next I never agree with giving the ref stick on any forum but the young lady today did not handle the best game of the season very well. Her linesmen did her no favours but she lost complete control of the game by the end. I'll give you a good example against Sturt to show how the game ended.

I won't name names as that would not be fair but a Fulham player pushed over a Sturt player no more than 5 feet from the ref and the ref did what? Nothing not even lifted the whistle to her mouth. This was near the end of the second half and clearly was the Fulham players frustration, but this should not have been allowed to happen. The ref should have blown for the free, there was no advantage to Sturt. Next again two players squared up to each other the linesmen flagged and the ref ran away. What a JOKE! :clown:

This is to just show that yes I saw Fulham doing things and getting away with them but only after the game had been turned on its head by total terrible decisions by the linesmen and the ref. They ruined the game of the season against these two good clubs. The ref can do a good job but needs to stand up and be counted, she cracked under the pressure today. The penalty decision and the offside put on the pressure and got to the ref, unfortunately.

Back to the schedule, I only hope that the FFSA will not allow this farce of games being played so long after being postponed next season, regardless of who the club is. A midweek game should have been played and there is no reason for this not to have happened, the results could still have been the same, the problem is this gives all teams and especially Fulham reason to believe Sturt Marion do get looked after. Unfortunate but true.

PS Was nice to see players from other clubs coming out to watch. I know that they have an interest in the results but they could have just waited for the mt obe posted on here, nice one Lepps and others, well done. Also it was very pleasing to see such a good crowd, it was deserved for both teams to have a good following out there.

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pfff, the ref wasnt great, but she wasnt totally one-sided. the bad decisions went both ways.

the scuffle at the end should be two yellow cards imo, and the tackle shortly after the scuffle by the fulham player on the sturt player was at least a yellow card challange (possibly a red? no intention of playing the ball)....so, a sending off is just as bad as a dodgey offside call, regardless of what time in the game it was...

also, i didnt notice anyone in the position the linesman was in when the goal was called offside, so, you know, its kind of impossible to say that it definetly wasnt...but, lets face it, both linesmen were pretty happy to lift their flags up willy nilly.

sturt won...the end.
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bennylava wrote:pfff, the ref wasnt great, but she wasnt totally one-sided. the bad decisions went both ways.

the scuffle at the end should be two yellow cards imo, and the tackle shortly after the scuffle by the fulham player on the sturt player was at least a yellow card challange (possibly a red? no intention of playing the ball)....so, a sending off is just as bad as a dodgey offside call, regardless of what time in the game it was...

also, i didnt notice anyone in the position the linesman was in when the goal was called offside, so, you know, its kind of impossible to say that it definetly wasnt...but, lets face it, both linesmen were pretty happy to lift their flags up willy nilly.
Haha totally agree with you..thought she woulda pulled the card out, but hey when the scuffle happened and the ref did nothing.. did u really think she was gonna pull a card out on a bad challenge?? She had no control on the game.. and as a result players will take advantage of that..if she had carded both players, i think it would have stopped later incidents..
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:lol: I do what i can!

In My Opinion -

The penalty that was rewarded to Fulham ..should not have been.
The one disallowed i think was more deserving however! Therefore I'd call it even on that one.
Harrys goal wasnt offside - i was standing directly inline with the linesman on the other side of the pitch! lol!

However.. Fulham had their chances other than that and could have well been atleast 3 up other than the disallowed goal.

As stated ..Sturt put the ball in the back of the net at the end of the day. Thats all that matters.
3rd goal was not bad.



Cant wait for next season tbh ..11 teams..maybe we should start early just for postponned games..?
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I agree with you bennylava however that showed that the ref had lost control of the game. As for the offside equals the same as a yellow umm come on like chalk and cheese. One would have made Fulham 2 -0 up the othe a smack on the wrist for the player. Even u should be able to see that?

But still as they say its all over bar the drinking so go enjoy it history is made.

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hypothetically, it wouldve been a second yellow or probably a straight red....which is alot more than a smack on the wrist....

but yeh...its all over
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hypothetically im pretty sure if the player got a yellow for the incident.. she wouldnt have gone in for that tackle.. just my opinion
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was so nice for Wendy to be there with the cup this year. The last 4 seasons when Fulham have won the cup we were never presented with it at our last game and this is even when we had won the league before the start of the last game. Add to that Sturt werent guaranteed of winning it yesterday as they had to wait on the Adelaide City vs Cumby game.

Lovely touch tho i must say

p.s: Harry's goal was not offside, Sturt come down straight away n score. If thats not a momentum changer then I dont know what is

Congrats Sturt
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There was also a cup at the Adelaide City game, just incase.

And, there was also black and white ribbons at sturt, just incase.
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For four seasons there was no cup (just incase) even when the league was already decided and there was no "just incase" situation
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that's really bad, and unfair...thankfully though, sawsa learnt from this error of not having the cup all those times and decided to make it right this year.
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Only because SAWSA is practically Sturt
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Also.... as stated previously this game was played after the cup final... where as once again fulham HAD to play there catch up game mid-week before there cup final last year no matter what...

but its sturt so rules seem to always change and dont apply...

p.s. i agree that harry's goal wasnt offside... the penalty when thomai was tripped WAS a penalty... but the other plea was not as the sturt defender won the ball fair and square

also congrats to sturt - we couldnt beat you guys all year even though we had our chances
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#Unknown wrote:Only because SAWSA is practically Sturt


hmmmmmmmmmm...cant argue with that one
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there seems to be a market for sawsa utd tops

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roll on seaosn 2009.

Sturt? Why give them air play. Old hacks and can't ever be associated with playing the beautiful game. Didn't see yesterday's but pfft. Don't think it woudl have been pretty.

sawsa? they need to get their act together and start acting like an organisation that promotes the game and its future. Not developing a comp that resembles a big girls assocaition that is a step up from a social club!
Hoepfully with its subsumation intto FFSA it will change.
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to be fair Sturt's goals were all top class.
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STURT MARION CLINCHES TOP CORNER SPORTS PREMIER DIVISION TITLE

Sturt Marion Women’s Soccer Club has become champions of the Top Corner Sports Premier Division League following a convincing win over title contenders, Fulham United, four goals to one in the final game of the season held on Sunday 21 September.

This score line was very flattering for Sturt Marion WSC, as it certainly did not illustrate the nature of the game. In the first 25 minutes of the game, Fulham United dominated possession preventing Sturt Marion from getting out of their own half. A brilliant save by Sturt Marion stand in goalkeeper, Nikkita Davidson prevented Fulham United from taking an early lead but in the 15th minute Fulham United were awarded a penalty after Sturt Marion ex- Matilda Kristyn Swaffer were judged to have brought down Ceryce Guerra in the area. Defender Ebony Weidenbach calmly slotted the ball home to give Fulham United a one goal lead.

Fulham United continued to pressure the Sturt Marion goal and it was only due to some strong defensive work by Kristyn Swaffer, Claire Eglinton, Alisa Sabic and Karin Prince, that Fulham United did not extend their lead. Fulham United continued to dominate the midfield tussle through Tanya Harrison, Rachael Quigley and Ann-Marie Vozzo.

Just as it seemed that Fulham United were on their way to claim their fifth consecutive Premier Division Title, Sturt Marion had a five minute burst that turned the game on its head. Sharon Black, Sturt Marion prolific goal scorer, opened the scoring for with a very optimistic shot from the sideline, which looped over Fulham United goalkeeper Leanne Gubbins, hit the underside of the bar and fell favourably into the back of the net. Sturt Marion then took the lead thanks to a well rehearsed corner. Sharon Black swung a corner to the near post, where it was met by a well time run by Jessica Halfpenny, who flicked it past the Fulham Goalkeeper.

With the half-time whistle, the sizeable crowd was left speechless as Fulham United, who had dominated the game, found themselves behind in the game, two goals to one.

The second-half saw Fulham United continue where they left off and attacked the Sturt Marion goal. A free-kick on the edge of the Sturt Marion 18 yard box provided an opportunity for Young Matilda, Rachael Quigley, to get the sides back on level terms but her shot rocketed over the bar.

Sturt Marion striker Rachel Storic then turned the game again with a spectacular strike from outside of the 18 yard box that flew passed the floundering Fulham United goalkeeper. This strike and Sturt Marion’s third goal seemed to deflate the Fulham United team as unfamiliar mistakes started to creep into their play.

With fifteen minutes remaining Sturt Marion claimed their fourth goal and the Top Corner Sports Premier Division Championships from a pin point corner by Sharon Black that was met by Kristyn Swaffer whose thunderbolt header smashed into the Fulham United net.

With the game well and truly gone, both teams played out the last 15 minutes without any further clear cut chances and at the final whistle Sturt Marion had achieved what they had set out to do and defeat title contenders Fulham United.

The only thing that stood between Sturt Marion and the Premiership was Adelaide City, who had to convincingly defeat Cumberland United to be in contention for the title. As news filtered through it was confirmed that Sturt Marion were the 2008 Top Corner Sports Premier Division Champions, with Adelaide City being held to a one all draw by Cumberland United.



Lets clarify as this was obviously written by Sturt...

Thomai Kezios was brought down leading to the penalty, not Ceryce Guerra. Ceryce is the one that was turned down

Sturt's first goal started after we had a crap offside call against us and caught us on the counter attack where Sharon Black was just outside the apex of the 18. Sharon is never on the sidelines. The shot did not hit the underneath of the crossbar, instead there was a touch on the ball deflecting it onto the thick uprights at Marion Sports Complex enabling the ball to hit the inside and bounce across the goal liine heading toward the other post

Sturt's second goal was blocked and the ricochet consequently went in and was from a freekick, not a corner

Sturt's third goal was on either the volley or half volley inside the 18yd box and was a dead set cracker of a shot

Sturts 4th was poor marking from a corner


I know all this coz I was on the receiving end of all 4. I believe that that report could have been written with a bit more respect to the calibre of team they beat especially considering what Fulham have achieved in the past by producing their own talent but maybe I just analyse things a bit too much
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to be fair i only rated 2 of their goals..
one being the volley or half volley
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Gubs when I first started reading the report I thought you were being overly kind to Sturt with the report, then realised my mistake and worked out who had written it.

As always, respect should be paid to both teams win lose or draw that is being a sportmen. You can talk about it away on forums but being personal shouldn't be part. You can be critical though which is a difference, but as normal sawsa united did not do this they paid little or no respect for Fulham and or even city who were also in with a great chance to win the league. Wheres the comments about them and their heart break at not winnig or cumby for taking one of the contenders out so to speak? If you run a company you show respect to your rivals if you run the league you show no bias, yet the people that write this drap are clearly not that.

I have read most of what sawsa has put out over the season about fulhams games and at times I wonder if I am watching a different game, the rubbish and lack of respect that is written is insulting.

As you say Gubs winning 4 in a row is quite some achievement to be knocking on the door for their 5 is amazing. Credit to the other teams Sturt and City for keeing track and putting themselves ina postion to win, but come on, get your reports right if you are going to write something don't second guess it, as surely by now they at least know most of the Fulham players names its not like there are 10 new players out there for fulham! Also I believe Ann Marie Vozzo is an ex young matilda or can only some players be named as that?

I agree, in my opinion, three of the goals were well taken for Sturt, the free kick knocked in to make it two one was a well executed set piece and the other two in the second half went like rockets. But as you said Gubs there was some marking issues on at least one which didn't help but that is the nature of football and the game that we love.

Credit Sturt won and I take my hat off to them, but I hope that FFSA sorts this sham out in late, postponed games, bais reporting and all in all lack of general respect to all nine teams and all players in the premier league and in fact all football players in general, because SAWSA runs all the grades, so comments should be presented on all the grades not just the top grade although the top grade should get a little more space.

Were's the heading Flinders wins promotion to premier league, Stirling gets promotion in their first season in div one adding to their runners up in the cup? Pink Panthers takes out league two? Etc Etc Etc? Sorry for other divisions didn't mean to over look you guys.
In fact very little news even on the sawsa page about any team winning their respective league!

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adelaidepie wrote:Gubs when I first started reading the report I thought you were being overly kind to Sturt with the report, then realised my mistake and worked out who had written it.

As always, respect should be paid to both teams win lose or draw that is being a sportmen. You can talk about it away on forums but being personal shouldn't be part. You can be critical though which is a difference, but as normal sawsa united did not do this they paid little or no respect for Fulham and or even city who were also in with a great chance to win the league. Wheres the comments about them and their heart break at not winnig or cumby for taking one of the contenders out so to speak? If you run a company you show respect to your rivals if you run the league you show no bias, yet the people that write this drap are clearly not that.

I have read most of what sawsa has put out over the season about fulhams games and at times I wonder if I am watching a different game, the rubbish and lack of respect that is written is insulting.

As you say Gubs winning 4 in a row is quite some achievement to be knocking on the door for their 5 is amazing. Credit to the other teams Sturt and City for keeing track and putting themselves ina postion to win, but come on, get your reports right if you are going to write something don't second guess it, as surely by now they at least know most of the Fulham players names its not like there are 10 new players out there for fulham! Also I believe Ann Marie Vozzo is an ex young matilda or can only some players be named as that?

I agree, in my opinion, three of the goals were well taken for Sturt, the free kick knocked in to make it two one was a well executed set piece and the other two in the second half went like rockets. But as you said Gubs there was some marking issues on at least one which didn't help but that is the nature of football and the game that we love.

Credit Sturt won and I take my hat off to them, but I hope that FFSA sorts this sham out in late, postponed games, bais reporting and all in all lack of general respect to all nine teams and all players in the premier league and in fact all football players in general, because SAWSA runs all the grades, so comments should be presented on all the grades not just the top grade although the top grade should get a little more space.

Were's the heading Flinders wins promotion to premier league, Stirling gets promotion in their first season in div one adding to their runners up in the cup? Pink Panthers takes out league two? Etc Etc Etc? Sorry for other divisions didn't mean to over look you guys.
In fact very little news even on the sawsa page about any team winning their respective league!

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Probably wasn't put up as they are not being promoted now........seems SAWSA.......or should we say WC......has decided to screw many clubs over......and limit the number of clubs in the league to the "big" seven.......well as long as Sturt are in there......phew.....
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if wendy carter as such a big affect on sturt winning then why havent sturt had the success in the past??
also if everyone has such a big problem these issues then why dont you do you take proper action instead of having a whine on a forum.
topics just keep repeating themselves and its getting quiet boring.
fulham has had an exceptional past few season with great success and talented players but its not something everyone needs to hold onto for years into the future when they dont win.
guess next year we'll have something different. topics about how ffsa are running the womens comp so bad...
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excuse me but when Fulham won the League and Cup doubles in 2004 and 2005 we were constantly reminded that Sturt had achieved the same feat back in the mid 90's even tho the league was fair crusty back then and prob not at the same level as it is now. Despite that we were always told that Sturt had already achieved all that
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