Is your club seriously considering the FFSA metro league?

[kramerica]

Are there clubs out there who already know they will be joining the FFSA metro league next year?

Is your club seriously considering the FFSA metro league next year?

This topic is for anyone who knows the answers to these two questions about there club or another club, please feel free to post, so that I and others can get a gauge on this.

[marooned]

No. Never. Better to be a big fish in a small pond rather than be a minnow in a sea of dead fish. FFSA has a history of bad managment and this is a desperate attempt to derail the well run and finacially viable Amateur League. If the under the one umbrella issue is a factor then let the disiplined strong board of the SAASL run all comps.





Disclaimer; this is my own personal view and not necessarily that of the Downs committee.

[swannsong]

post # 4807

For Finance See Amateurs

[James]

post # 4807

For Finance See Amateurs

Maybe time to spend some money on its stake holders...

I heard the Para Hills Westies kids cant train on the main decks at Manor farm do the water restrictions. Kids train on the side of one pitch. There are no lights were they are allowed to train so they train before it gets dark. Each side gets an 18 yards box. Fantastic development of SAASF juniors.


No point having coffers if you cant or wont spend it.

[laney]

Is your club seriously considering the FFSA metro league next year?

NO

[Hawkesy]

Is your club seriously considering the FFSA metro league next year?


NO

How linked to the federation club are you Laney? you might not have a choice.

Why would anyone be considering it already anyway, we hardly know anything about it.

[lefty]

How can you consider it when the FFSA hasnt even made contact with the club to inform you of what they are offering. All we've seen is a press release that attempts to undermine an association we've happily been part of for 42yrs.

Why is SA the only state where the amateurs have not joined the State Assoc, however I have heard that the Vic amateurs are considering pulling out.

[TheWingBack]

post # 4807

For Finance See Amateurs

Maybe time to spend some money on its stake holders...

I heard the Para Hills Westies kids cant train on the main decks at Manor farm do the water restrictions. Kids train on the side of one pitch. There are no lights were they are allowed to train so they train before it gets dark. Each side gets an 18 yards box. Fantastic development of SAASF juniors.


No point having coffers if you cant or wont spend it.

The kiddies there would belong to the EDJSA so shouldn't your gripes be in that direction. Besides don't most clubs go talking to the council or state government for grants to assist. I would imagine the PHW would be in a good position to obtain grants with the numbers of players, junior and senior, and their history.

I believe the SAASL should put money into the game, but it can't go around paying for lights for all clubs otherwise the screaming match between clubs would start immediately and it'll all go to s**t. I know the club I play at could use a lot more lighting but will the SAASL come onto council owned land, install new lights and get nothing back from it...not likely when you think about it is it.

And lastly as I trawl through posts like the above, I just love how people blame the SAASL for all their woes without first doing something positive to try and produce a solution for themselves.

[laney]

MODBURY JETS AMATEUR FOOT BALL CLUB have no affiliation what so ever with the MODBURY SOCCER CLUB INC (FEDS)
At all hawksey

[E. Grant & Co]

post # 4807

For Finance See Amateurs

Maybe time to spend some money on its stake holders...

I heard the Para Hills Westies kids cant train on the main decks at Manor farm do the water restrictions. Kids train on the side of one pitch. There are no lights were they are allowed to train so they train before it gets dark. Each side gets an 18 yards box. Fantastic development of SAASF juniors.


No point having coffers if you cant or wont spend it.

The kiddies there would belong to the EDJSA so shouldn't your gripes be in that direction. Besides don't most clubs go talking to the council or state government for grants to assist. I would imagine the PHW would be in a good position to obtain grants with the numbers of players, junior and senior, and their history.

I believe the SAASL should put money into the game, but it can't go around paying for lights for all clubs otherwise the screaming match between clubs would start immediately and it'll all go to s**t. I know the club I play at could use a lot more lighting but will the SAASL come onto council owned land, install new lights and get nothing back from it...not likely when you think about it is it.

And lastly as I trawl through posts like the above, I just love how people blame the SAASL for all their woes without first doing something positive to try and produce a solution for themselves.

You are right J5 they should approach the State & Federal Governments for grants, mind you the governing body has to endorse it as well............so they would all end up on the desk of the CEO of the FFSA, I'm sure he'll sign off on them.

I agree the SAASL should set up a grant process and spend some of their [or the clubs] money.

[E. Grant & Co]

No. Never. Better to be a big fish in a small pond rather than be a minnow in a sea of dead fish. (1) FFSA has a history of bad managment and this (2) is a desperate attempt to derail the well run and finacially viable Amateur League. If the under the one umbrella issue is a factor then let the (3) disiplined strong board of the SAASL run all comps.





Disclaimer; this is my own personal view and not necessarily that of the Downs committee.

(1) Name one please?
(2) No they really do want the SAASL to run the amateur comp under the FFSA banner and they can keep their money, just spend it on their member clubs.
(3) Until then I took you seriously.

[Jay Walking]

Incorrect re governing bodies having to sign off on grants.

We have applied for and been succesful for a few government grants in the last few years in both local council and federal. At no time where we the SAASL or FFSA asked to sign off on the grant. We simply had to state which competition we compteted in to prove that we actually exsist and play football.

Governments do not care which competition you play in, they are more concerned that their constituants are benefiting from money they have raised.

[marooned]

E Grant and co wrote

1) Name one please?
(2) No they really do want the SAASL to run the amateur comp under the FFSA banner and they can keep their money, just spend it on their member clubs.
(3) Until then I took you seriously.

1. Every year we approach the FFSA to enter the FFSA cup comp and we get either no reply or a promise that we will keep you up to speed on entry details. NO reply given. No respect shown. Profit and loss statments from last 10 years will attest to the managment skills of FFSA boards.

2.Why would they want to run under the FFSA banner when its got nought to do with the FFSA. SAASL do support member clubs and do spend it on clubs. Clubs just need to justify their needs and help is available. To hand out $10,000 to all member clubs each year would be mismanagment of the highest order. As in any business the funds are accounted for each year and all member clubs( shareholders) get a vote to keep the current commitee in place. Under the FFSA we would loose our vote. Or we would be out voted by FFSA clubs that think that their comp is the only comp to be taken seriously.

3. As with all involved with the FFSA no amatuer club would be taken seriously. We are the SAASL and we dont want a part of it. Seriously! The FFSA can offer us no more than the SAASL can.

Woolworths could by Foodland and say keep it in your name just come under our banner, why? So they can set prices and slowly eliminate competiton.

[E. Grant & Co]

E Grant and co wrote

1) Name one please?
(2) No they really do want the SAASL to run the amateur comp under the FFSA banner and they can keep their money, just spend it on their member clubs.
(3) Until then I took you seriously.

1. Every year we approach the FFSA to enter the FFSA cup comp and we get either no reply or a promise that we will keep you up to speed on entry details. NO reply given. No respect shown. Profit and loss statments from last 10 years will attest to the managment skills of FFSA boards.

2.Why would they want to run under the FFSA banner when its got nought to do with the FFSA. SAASL do support member clubs and do spend it on clubs. Clubs just need to justify their needs and help is available. To hand out $10,000 to all member clubs each year would be mismanagment of the highest order. As in any business the funds are accounted for each year and all member clubs( shareholders) get a vote to keep the current commitee in place. Under the FFSA we would loose our vote. Or we would be out voted by FFSA clubs that think that their comp is the only comp to be taken seriously.

3. As with all involved with the FFSA no amatuer club would be taken seriously. We are the SAASL and we dont want a part of it. Seriously! The FFSA can offer us no more than the SAASL can.

Woolworths could by Foodland and say keep it in your name just come under our banner, why? So they can set prices and slowly eliminate competiton.

1. I was privie to a conversation between AC and RK back in the old SASF days re admitting any and all of the SAASL clubs into the then Federation Cup, and AC commented that they [the SASF] SHALL not send any info to their (SAASL) clubs and that all info has to go through him. So unless that position has changed in the past 5 years you should be directing your questions to him AC. I'd be surprised if your club has actually applied to enter the Federation Cup every year and continually get ignored. So the so called mis-management can't really be laid at the feet of the FFSA but maybe at the feet of AC of the SAASL.

2. To be part of the one family the SAASL will have to make a decision, either to be part of the big picture or not. Their decision! You are throwing around numbers as if the SAASL act as beneficeries to their member clubs. Maybe we or you should ask them how they feel about the way you spend or don't use their funds.

I suggest you do a bit of research about the voting structure of the FFSA because if that is what you have been told you have been mis-lead. Each member will have the same voting rights, each vote has the same value. So you need not fear democracy, you won't be overwhelmed by 30 clubs voting as one, something they have never done yet. You are right that the 10 Super League clubs feel they are superior to the other 20 Premier & State League clubs and that the Super League is the be all and end all of local competitions, much like the Sunday Div 1 clubs feel I suspect.

3. As far as I can remember this has all come about because the SAASL have clearly stated just that 'We are the SAASL and we don't want a part of it. Seriously!' So the FFSA have said fair enough, since we have to run a amateur competition to be part of the FFA we'll have to start our own.

And this is where it has brought us. So from now on the FFSA will go and do their thing and the SAASL wil go off and do their own thing. The FFA and FIFA will support the FFSA and the SAASL will be out on their own. No big deal.

[Hawkesy]

The FFA and FIFA will support the FFSA and the SAASL will be out on their own. No big deal.

I think this point alone makes the SAASL fees stand out. At least my money in not going into the pockets of one of the most corrupt men in the world - Sepp Blatter.

[marooned]

Mr Grant show me how any club would be better off under the FFSA banner. What could the FFSA do better than the SAASL? Bully tactic only ever work on the weak and you just might find you are up against a heavyweight contender in the SAASL. It may be a case that your metro league wont get up after the first round. Let alone go the distance.

[laney]

Quote I think this point alone makes the SAASL fees stand out. At least my money in not going into the pockets of one of the most corrupt men in the world - Sepp Blatter. ^
IS

Well said hawksey.Evan if you stuffed up on your spelling mate
I can't see the real jets going away from the saasl.
This is our 25 year as the jets amateur foot ball club.

[The Boss]

I think I have worked out who E Grant is. (aka Michael Carter)

[The Boss]

Just for interest the other day, I thought I would look at some of the other interstate federation websites, in particular Vic and NSW.

What a breath of fresh air to see things like mission statements, objectives, strategies, direction, development, unity, discussion, funding, expansion, etc, etc.

Am I missing something?

Conspicuous by absence on our local site.

[The Boss]

Maybe time to spend some money on its stake holders...

I heard the Para Hills Westies kids cant train on the main decks at Manor farm do the water restrictions. Kids train on the side of one pitch. There are no lights were they are allowed to train so they train before it gets dark. Each side gets an 18 yards box. Fantastic development of SAASF juniors.


No point having coffers if you cant or wont spend it.

Sorry Malcolm, all the funding in the world won't help lack of water, or haven't you seen the news the last year or so? The local council has a very strong policy on ground management and suitability. I would say that PHW have not managed their training correctly to allow for the conditions.

Apparently there is no water flowing down the Murray to Goolwa, perhaps the SAASL had something to do with that too.

[I Am Number Two]

Is your club seriously considering the FFSA metro league?

After speaking to people in the know at training tonight, the initial stance seems to be "f**k no!".

[E. Grant & Co]

I think I have worked out who E Grant is. (aka Michael Carter)

No thanks I wouldn't have his job for all the tea in china.

It's been a long day guys and time I went home to see the family. Its good to have such a healthy discussion about a such a topic.

But none of us are going to solve the problem, we will all have to wait and see what transpires.

[marooned]

Mr Grant can you tell me why there is no prizemoney for the FFSA cup this year? Why is the FFSA forums full of negative feelings towards the way the FFSA runs things? Why are most clubs unhappy with spiraling fees imposed on them by the FFSA? Makes me think that your FFSA amateur comp is more for the good of FFSA coffers than for the good of the game.

Your comeback is always the same FIFA says so, FFA says so, FFSA says so, we will take our ball and go home!

Well I can assure you we have our own balls. BIG BALLS.

[D.E.B.S.]

no

[kramerica]

So if nobody, is joining the Metro League next year, where/what are they going to create it from?

I am sure there are more clubs interested, than the responses, just not sure too many clubs, want it known.

[swannsong]

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As a Councillor for the City of Onkaparinga who own the O'Sullivan Beach Sports complex where the Panthers play, I am wondering what the implications might be for more football to be played at the complex.
The playing surface is already close to being overused.
Southern Knights share the complex along with several other sporting groups.
If Panthers were to have amateur team(s) in a Metropolitan league it would place extra burden on the playing surface.
Should there be moves to push Southern Knights out of the complex to make way for an alternative amateur side from the Panthers it wouldn't sit well with the local community.

[kolobaras]

Hmmm! Point taken Swannsong.
Tell me something though, If we start adopting dodgy playing surfaces through overuse as standard,
then wouldnt we be inviting a higher risk of player injury?. In turn probably higher rego fees simply
for insurance purposes.

[TheWingBack]

Doesn't all this go back to the FFSA needing to provide further information abuot their plans to populate the metro league and so forth. We haven't heard anything more since, "hey we're putting in our own amateur league next year - yay for us" notice.

I hate to sound reasonable but I would imagine that for any club to consider joining that league they would have to be asking the FFSA for firm details. Is this a case of the cart before the horse or was someone at the FFSA just drunk and here we are?

[Ace16]

Have any teams considred putting a "C" grade team into the FFSA comp just incase it does work out your club then gets a foothold in Div 1?

[Hawkesy]

that would be a decent idea, but there's an issue with dual registrations. Your C's players would not be able to play in the Amateur League sides as well. I don't think dual registrations are allowed in the SAASL constitution.

2004 I know St peters C's were kicked out of the collegiate league because of this, i think it's the same with SAASL as well.