FFSA Metropolitan Competition

[E. Grant & Co]

Robo> You think it's about money? 'I dont want the FFSA to take the SAASL's money for their own benefit.. This is unfair.' I agree with you as do the FFSA who have already stated that the SAASL can keep their money and spend it on their current members. It's never been about their money, even with the old SASF, it has always been about power and control and who runs the code. I'm pretty sure that most of the Amateur League clubs don't want to run the code here in SA but some one should tell the SAASL Board that.

'Let the FFSA have their own league - sounds to me like it will end up as an over 35's type league.' I'm sure there will be some older types running around on the park as there is in the SAASL but will it turn into the Masters League, No I don't think it will.

Those clubs WONT have funds available to pay players in the metro comp, and the amateur side to the club WONT have any means of raising their own money if the matches are to be played at the fed pitches.. As I understand it Robo amateurs play for the social aspect of the game, no money involved, or are you saying amateur league players do get paid? If I was having to approach an existing amateur club attached to my club I would be thinking along the lines of ONE CLUB FOR ALL and that they don't have to fork out extra funds to be part of the FFSA club.

'Stand firm SAASL...' I'm sure they will, a bloody minded lot some of them.

[E. Grant & Co]

If they knew they were starting a competition in 2009, why have they released such minimal details so late in 2008?

I'm guessing here, but the SAASL have told them to get stuffed, or words to that effect. So what options do they now have other than to say what they have.

[E. Grant & Co]

Is the rumour I hear correct, COMETS (div 3 Sat) will be joing FFSA Metro Comp next year, even though they will be promoted to Div 2 SAASL?

Can anyone confirm??

If what has been stated is true, that the fed teams will have to have an amateur teams, then it seems pretty obvious to me that Comets will move to the new league. Along with San Marco, Polonia, Blue Eagles and every other club that uses a state league ground or linked to one.

Now Blue Eagles might be as seperate entity in the amateur league, but surely the easiest way for the fed club to set up will be to bring them on board. They will not want, a fed club, a metropolitan club and an amateur club all using the pitch so the simplest will be "Join the Metropolitan League under our banner, or don't use our pitches"

Hawksey, that would be a common sense approach and at times that seems to be a commodity that is lacking when it comes to our sport. ONE CLUB FOR ALL

I'm pretty sure that in some cases that will be the ultimatum put to some clubs, [hopefully not] and who ever holds the head lease to a ground will surely have most of the bargaining power, but like all negotiations there will have to compromise on both sides to reach an agreement.

[Hawkesy]

If they knew they were starting a competition in 2009, why have they released such minimal details so late in 2008?

I'm guessing here, but the SAASL have told them to get stuffed, or words to that effect. So what options do they now have other than to say what they have.

Isn't the collegiate league run already under the FFSA banner?

[E. Grant & Co]

I thought that the collegiate league was tied up with the amateurs now? I could be wrong and it truth I don't really know. Does that same guy still run it, Michael Hihimanis or something?

[Aldo Serena]

I thought that the collegiate league was tied up with the amateurs now? I could be wrong and it truth I don't really know. Does that same guy still run it, Michael Hihimanis or something?

Definitely part of the FFSA, and not tied up with the SAASL.

[Hawkesy]

I thought that the collegiate league was tied up with the amateurs now? I could be wrong and it truth I don't really know. Does that same guy still run it, Michael Hihimanis or something?

Definitely part of the FFSA, and not tied up with the SAASL.

In which case, why do they need a new league anyway?

[Hawkesy]

Just had a thought. FUCK going to Pirie for an amateur game.

[Aldo Serena]

Just had a thought. shiraz going to Pirie for an amateur game.

Fuck going to Pirie full stop!

[redfred]

be interesting to see if modbury,para,salisbury and playford will be able to field sides with the north having so many strong amateurs that in some cases are at least as strong as state league

[Missing Post Count]

Just had a thought. shiraz going to Pirie for an amateur game.

It's not that far from Cooper Pedy is it? Or do you prefer your Roxby Downs derbies?

[lefty]

For the past say 40 yrs ive been single and wealthy as I have managed my money well.
I have also made a good contribution to society.
Now my local shop owner tells me I must get married.
The problem is I dont love theperson & they only want my money

Maybe I would if they took the time to get to know me & appreciate who I am

Does this story sound familiar

[Knight7]

For the past say 40 yrs ive been single and wealthy as I have managed my money well.
I have also made a good contribution to society.
Now my local shop owner tells me I must get married.
The problem is I dont love theperson & they only want my money

Maybe I would if they took the time to get to know me & appreciate who I am

Does this story sound familiar

Yes, it sounds like my ex wife!

[Hawkesy]

For the past say 40 yrs ive been single and wealthy as I have managed my money well.
I have also made a good contribution to society.
Now my local shop owner tells me I must get married.
The problem is I dont love theperson & they only want my money

Maybe I would if they took the time to get to know me & appreciate who I am

Does this story sound familiar

Yes, it sounds like my ex wife!

SHIT! we married the same woman!

[E. Grant & Co]

For the past say 40 yrs ive been single and wealthy as I have managed my money well.
I have also made a good contribution to society.
Now my local shop owner tells me I must get married.
The problem is I dont love theperson & they only want my money

Maybe I would if they took the time to get to know me & appreciate who I am

Does this story sound familiar

yep sure does, only it's not the shop owner this time say get married, it's the government saying all of you that are married can live in these houses and join in the local parties while the single guys and girls will have to go and live some where else and can't share in what we are going to give to the married couples, such as child care, etc etc........that sounds more familiar.

[Kitchimo]

There's so much bullshit flying around over this, can people wait until there is more information out there before second-guessing anything? I don't think I have faith in either organisation quite frankly to come up with something that will appease everybody (although I wait in hope!). Power corrupts!!

[marooned]

E Grant n co wrote

yep sure does, only it's not the shop owner this time say get married, it's the government saying all of you that are married can live in these houses and join in the local parties while the single guys and girls will have to go and live some where else and can't share in what we are going to give to the married couples, such as child care, etc etc........that sounds more familiar

Dont want to marry her shes ugly, your houses are crapp and you dont throw good paties. I know she will leave me, she will kick me out the house and i will be sitting down the pub saying well "How did i get here"

[E. Grant & Co]

There's so much Barossa Pearl flying around over this, can people wait until there is more information out there before second-guessing anything? I don't think I have faith in either organisation quite frankly to come up with something that will appease everybody (although I wait in hope!). Power corrupts!!

Well said Kitch, lets all wait and see.

[E. Grant & Co]

E Grant n co wrote

yep sure does, only it's not the shop owner this time say get married, it's the government saying all of you that are married can live in these houses and join in the local parties while the single guys and girls will have to go and live some where else and can't share in what we are going to give to the married couples, such as child care, etc etc........that sounds more familiar

Dont want to marry her shes ugly, your houses are crapp and you dont throw good paties. I know she will leave me, she will kick me out the house and i will be sitting down the pub saying well "How did i get here"

Not telling you who to marry just pointing out the benefits to being married to some one who actually cares about building a long term future together.

But no argument is going to convince you that this will be in your clubs best interest so will let you play in the SAASL and see what happens down the track.

[swannsong]

E Grant n co wrote

yep sure does, only it's not the shop owner this time say get married, it's the government saying all of you that are married can live in these houses and join in the local parties while the single guys and girls will have to go and live some where else and can't share in what we are going to give to the married couples, such as child care, etc etc........that sounds more familiar

Dont want to marry her shes ugly, your houses are crapp and you dont throw good paties. I know she will leave me, she will kick me out the house and i will be sitting down the pub saying well "How did i get here"

Not telling you who to marry just pointing out the benefits to being married to some one who actually cares about building a long term future together.

But no argument is going to convince you that this will be in your clubs best interest so will let you play in the SAASL and see what happens down the track.

post # 4809


Mr. Grant, why are you so keen on the idea and jumping up and down when someone expresses their considered opinions ?
Do you have a vested interest, are you the FFSA PR Officer / Media Liason officer ?
What do you actually know about the running of the SAASL or the FFSA or how Clubs feel about this.
What about preceeding the "ideas" with a little community consultation ie the Football public in general.
Maybe FFSA should try "listening" rather than just telling and demanding.
The idea is to promote football for the people rather than put the organization structure before the game.
The only division this idea is creating is an "us" and "them" division.
For the sake of unity start the separate bodies talking again !

[Hawkesy]

We used to have 2 amateur competitions for a small playing population, we are now going to have 3. I thought 2 was too many, and now an extra is being added.

I still don't understand why they don't just use the collegiate league.

[E. Grant & Co]

Mr. Grant, why are you so keen on the idea and jumping up and down when someone expresses their considered opinions ?
Do you have a vested interest, are you the FFSA PR Officer / Media Liason officer ?
What do you actually know about the running of the SAASL or the FFSA or how Clubs feel about this.
What about preceeding the "ideas" with a little community consultation ie the Football public in general.
Maybe FFSA should try "listening" rather than just telling and demanding.
The idea is to promote football for the people rather than put the organization structure before the game.
The only division this idea is creating is an "us" and "them" division.
For the sake of unity start the separate bodies talking again !

Thanks Swannsong you do make sense.

No I'm not employed by the FFSA in any capacity but I do hold strong opinions. I'm not objecting to any one who holds opposing points of view, and yes I do know a little bit about the running of both organisations. Not sure about how clubs feel about either organisation setting up opposing leagues. I'm certain many of them will feel pissed off about being told what to do, by either body. That's not new, that is some thing clubs have in common, whoever is running their competitions don't know what they are doing.

You have to understand where the FFSA is coming from, the board are not an elected body, they have appointed out of Sydney to run the sport here in Adelaide, neither the Fed clubs or anybody else has a say in who is going to manage the sport, they do have some input into the competition rules. And this was one of the gripes that the SAASL had back in the SASF days. That the Fed clubs ran everything, that no longer is the case.

As far as asking the 'football public' about what should happen, that is extremely unlikely to happen. Mainly because none of us can agree on what is best for the sport. Sure I can tell you what my club wants but is that in the best interest of the sport?

The 'US and 'THEM' attitude has been around ever since I can remember, way back when I was a player with Salis Inter when the amateur league was 'new', we though the Fed clubs were up themselves, guess what, nothing has changed.

I think the time for talking has finished, they [the SAASL] have been talking to both the SASF and now the FFSA [for 3 years] to no avail. Unfortunately it is their way or the highway. That's the way it is.

[swannsong]

post # 4825

The new Division begins ?



From the Advertiser, Thursday August 28, 2008.

[johnydep]

http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... 7&start=60

I may be ignorant on this subject but I don't see what all the fuss is about.

What I've read here is;

• The FFSA can not make the SAASL join the Association
  The FFSA are introducing an amatuer league
  The SAASL are cashed up and ready to compete with the FFSA amature league

Nothing wrong with a bit of competition, helps keep everyone honest.

At the end of the day there can only be two possible out comes;

• The strongest league swallows the weaker and becomes one big amature league
  or
  Both leagues operate along side each other with a deep rooted anger for one another.

So if the SAASL is so cashed up and the FFSA cash poor, the SAASL better priced to join and the FFSA more expensive; what's all the fuss about?

Don't worry lads, as the saying goes; “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”

I'm sure it's much more complex than that but that's the way I see it from all these threads.

[htfc]

I think the main stumbling block I think with the SAASL is the corporatization of the FFSA. This was a key initiative outlined in the Crawford report. The important element here is that the clubs as minor sharholders only authority is to appoint members to the board of directors running the FFSA. The board then in turn set the general principals on the wanted outcomes and appoint the executive officers to run the FFSA. Once this is done then the board and executive have carte blanche authority to run soccer as they feel fit until the next shareholders meeting. That is to make profit for the major shareholder the FFA.
Now the boards make up is critical as is who can elect who. As it stands the board will comprise members elected only by their key body. That is the SAASL can elect say 2 the SAWSA 1 the JSA 2 the Feds 3 and I think the FFA will have the right to put in a couple more. So in essence the interests of the SAASL rest with a minority of the board. Hence no guarantee that a SAASL affiliate clubs will have their best interests looked after as they can so easily be out voted by the board.
Here lies the problem.

[medallion]

Why is the SAASL offering a supposed $60,000 in prize money when they have a shortage of referees and linesmen??
I think the majority of SAASL members would be much happier to have their volunteer linesmen each week (often a committee member) watching the game or doing something more constructive for their respective clubs, with that money being put into developing and recruiting enough officials to officiate each and every game week in week out. (Official ref and 2 linesmen.)

[mahluf]

had a long chat with a federation club executive. the opinion seems to be that the new league will definetely start next season.
all federation clubs with an amateur team will HAVE to enter it into the new league. no arguments.their federation teams will probably not be accepted into the super league, premier league etc if their amateur teams don't join. the league will make up the other teams
with sides that have already expressed an interest. the teams in the new league must have a reserve side.
all federation clubs are expected to have an amateur side and those without, will probably be given till the following season. their aim is three divisions
they also want elizabeth and district junior sides to come under the federation, any club not doing so will probably have their coaches lose their coaching accreditation.
other plans explained to me were too unbelievable to mention. if they are all true, the ffsa have no idea of the havoc they will cause to local soccer.
i stress that this is one person's view of what is going to happen. if it is true, god help sa soccer.
if any of you have contacts with federation clubs please check on their opinions and post them.

[swannsong]

had a long chat with a federation club executive. the opinion seems to be that the new league will definetely start next season.
all federation clubs with an amateur team will HAVE to enter it into the new league. no arguments.their federation teams will probably not be accepted into the super league, premier league etc if their amateur teams don't join. the league will make up the other teams
with sides that have already expressed an interest. the teams in the new league must have a reserve side.
all federation clubs are expected to have an amateur side and those without, will probably be given till the following season. their aim is three divisions
they also want elizabeth and district junior sides to come under the federation, any club not doing so will probably have their coaches lose their coaching accreditation.
other plans explained to me were too unbelievable to mention. if they are all true, the ffsa have no idea of the havoc they will cause to local soccer.
i stress that this is one person's view of what is going to happen. if it is true, god help sa soccer.
if any of you have contacts with federation clubs please check on their opinions and post them.

post # 4832

The further this goes the worse it sounds, sounds like compulsory Unionism or Russia attacking Georgia.
It seems that what is needed is an external mediator to work with the FFSA and SAASL to find a solution that is acceptable to all parties.
The FFSA need to communicate to football community, not through the clubs, but directly, what it is that they don't agree with about the SAASL terms.
Likewise the SAASL needs to communicate to the football community what it does not agree with in FFSA's propsals.
The way things are proceeding I can envisage a huge number of volunteers stepping away from the game they love.
What I'm hearing sounds like school yard bullying and we don't accept that in our schools.
Obviously someone will reply to this post and blame one side or the other.
I have obvious leanings toward the EDJSA and the SAASL because these organizations nurtured my enjoyment of the game and were/are the envy of many interstate organisations for over 40 years.
When all else fails try communication !

[mahluf]

apparently a few years ago the predecessor to the current national body was in a huge mess financially, and to get out of it they imposed a levy on every players registration. the arrears have been cleared but it has proved such a huge cash raiser that they have left it standing. when the ffsa met with the saasl they insisted that although the saasl could keep their money, when they amalgamated , all saasl clubs and players would have to pay the levy. the saasl refused to accept this.

[johnydep]

apparently a few years ago the predecessor to the was in a huge mess financially, and to get out of it they imposed a levy on every players registration. the arrears have been cleared but it has proved such a huge cash raiser that they have left it standing. when the ffsa met with the saasl they insisted that although the saasl could keep their money, when they amalgamated , all saasl clubs and players would have to pay the levy. the saasl refused to accept this.

Ok, I can see the unfairness in that; just like all the levies the State Government impose on us.

As I do not know the fee structure; does the "current national body" charge any other fee to be a member?

As I see it, the SAASL could alway break away and start a different type of football league, similar to what the Rugby League & Union did. That way you're totally on your own with no influence from the FFA.

At the moment, everyone that is part of the great game is benefiting from the huge ground swell of support that has come from FIFA, the World Cup and FFA. If you want some of that benefit, pay a fee to cover cost; such as administration, advertising, development, etc.

The only thing I can see a problem with is; how much is the fee? Exhorbitant prices should be queried.

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