Zone Coaching Appointments- State Junior Championships

[ninja111]

WELL, WELL, WELL, POVMAN 1964, a friend of Drusetta is a friend of mine. But its not just those with an obvious big head,- the cocky forum post observer that POST REPLYS because it puts him to sleep.We all have an ego to keep in check. After all, wouldn' t we all prefer to always to be right? Wouldn't we like to win every time we compete? Most of us are smart enough to realise this isn't possible, exept for the egotistical COACHS. It's hard to be told that you just lost a game , it's even more disgusting not to discipline players that don't exept defeat and don't shake hands of the opposition , THATS WHAT HAPPENED . PS POVMAN 1964 PLEASE READ CHILDREN OF THE MATRIX BY DAVID ICKE ... to educate our brain about world History.. CHEERS NINJA111

[corona]

seems to me evryone has there opinion and some coaches look for results in the league or zone for self interest . which is fine , but we are dealing with kids and remember they are kids. and as parents and coaches we should help them rather exploit them for self interest . which is common , but as one coach said to thats life . ok .

[povman_2009]

Ninja111, nothing like a good conspiracy novellist to keep you awake at night. No thanks, I read fiction for the sake of entertainment, not enlightenment.

Regarding your comment to educate our brain about world History..

I had no idea we shared a communal brain maybe thats why I keep having all these dark thoughts, they are yours not mine.

anywhoo back to the topic.

Kids are kids, some play for fun some play to drive themselves forward, good on both lots of kids. What we do not need it dumb parents poking their noses in and spoiling it. If a coach is a bad coach he won't last very long, I have survived 3 mingy years and fear my time has come, due to lack of spare time to do the job properly.

[Black Hawk]

Drusetta teach football.

Save the bush walking for old retirees. Do not waste premium time with premium talent on bush walking at Morialta.

[Drusetta]

Black Hawk

Every zone coach has precious little time (6 sessions) to preapre for the Junior State Championships. Teach Football? Isn't that what the club coaches are doing; and in the case of the final 16 players I have chosen; the club coaches are doing very well.

Part of a footballer's make-up is team spirit and cohesion. The purpose of a bush walk is to build team spirit and unity. Friends off the park = friends on the park. In order to get the best out of the team as a unit, and the players, I have elected to take the boys on a short hike so they can bond and get to know each other. I have found in the past that it helps team cohesion on the park. This type of activity is also undertaken by many sporting teams, both amateur and professional.

Teaching football aspects of the game will be part of the build up to the tournament also. It may interest you to know that certain club coaches in the past have abused me for "teaching football" in preparation for the tournament because they said it interfered with their coaching strategies and philosophies. I can't please everybody.

I appreciate your opinion and ask that you have a little faith in a coach's methods - whoever he / she may be.

[Black Hawk]

Drusetta

Fair answer.

I would like to see an extension of this championship where the teams are selected late September and the coaches are given a 6 week period to "prepare" thus allowing allowing these premium players an opportunity to further advance. This "preparation" should be based on development rather than team winning. The end result will be much advanced players.

There are too many school, club, association, sapsasa and zone "tournaments" where many of the coaches are just trying to get team unity and the individual player development is a by-product rather than the focus. The end result is the production of game savvy senior players without the technique to achieve professional contracts.

[Drusetta]

Black Hawk

I wholeheartedly agree with the congestion of tournaments. It doesn't make it easy for coaches. Added to that is the various academies. I will be teaching the players a few new things as part of their development; but there's only so much time.

The whole problem is one of a synchronised season timetable for everything. Unfortunately not all of the organising bodies (distict, schools, clubs, academies) will willingly address this problem - the result of which as you rightly pointed out, is that the player's development suffers.

Extending the tournament beyond September has merit, but then the federation will be contending with club trials for the following season. And with players participating in summer sports, they may not get any rest from sport at all. And so the conflict continues...

[billy]

i came across this:

http://www.ffsa.com.au/news/120820061.asp


http://www.ffsa.com.au/junior/home.asp

[Wild Eagle]

Marco2,
you touch on several interesting points.

From my brief experience in the game of football I noticed a good percentage of professional players are sons, nephews or grandchildren of professional coaches or players: this is a worldwide phenomenon, generally it involves better coaching in earlier stages....

that is point no 1.

Again, from my brief experience I see there are many players but not too many coaches willing to give up all of their time, so often parents who are coaches are begged by clubs to coach their junior side....I would thank these coach/parents rather than accuse them of bias...most of them are tougher on their children in order to be fair.

that is point no.2

You seem to be very well informed about players and half the coaching staff but you clearly decided to ignore the fact there are 2 coaches and one of them is a miracle coach, a man who lives and breathes football; I wish I had a 14 year old kid (or any kid) in that selection to learn from the great man.

Here are the cases:

a)you don't know too much about U14 East but you're still making big claims.

b) you know all about it but have decided to write about part of it.

In either case, I am sure you can do better than that.

When you mention the 2 kids, however, I draw the line; you get personal and accusing and that, for me, is low.

Make names and speak up or clean it up, either way someone else is putting a lot of effort in for these kids...

[Wild Eagle]

I smell post deleting....

[Marco2]

Yeah it was me. Posted a comment about the 14 east coaching appointment but then though better of it! In principle I was supporting previous posts that there is a risk of bias with this coach considering his son plays and his sons best mate! He also isn't a good coach - I've seen him in action!

[shug]

I think we are missing the point. it doesn't matter if the personnel have the highest integrity in terms of picking the team but that it has to be SEEN to be completely unbiassed. This can ONLY happen if the coaches, amnagers etc have no personal interests. The people who appoint the staff are responsible for this. If this was done correctly we wouldn't be having this conversation. I feel sorry for the kids involved, whether they are any good or not they can be the subject of criticism. If they are picked some people will say it is because of who they know but yet they might get dropped just in case some people think they were picked because of their connections. As I said coaches should NOT have any personnal interests in team selections.

[Black Hawk]

Selections are always subjective, if you are not in the best 8 or 10 you really are at the subjective end. I believe as long as the coach selects the obvious best 8 to 10 he has done the job the next 11-15 selection spots are just lucky because it starts becoming very close calls.

[corona]

well black hawk your stuffed if your best 8-10 are all midfielders . selection is a vey tough call and maybe more people are needed to be there to select the best. e.g say 4 people pick there best 15 and then all 4 sit down and see what each other has selected and why . you will find the best will be seen by all 4 , plus the players are watched more not for only 15 minutes . just a suggestion.

[Marco2]

Hey Corona
I think your suggestion is a sensible one. A selection panel will make selction more objective and will also remove any intentional or even non-intentional bias from the coach. This will then allow them to concentrate on coaching.

However, whilst I think it is a good idea I can't see it happening for the very reasons I just mentioned. At the end of the day humans are what they are and blodd is thicker than water so sons and sons best mates will always get the nod, which is ok if they deserve to be there, but often it is not.

CHeers

[corona]

also we are to pig headed to allow it to happen ,but i think it will give a broader look at the trails.

[Black Hawk]

Selection panel!!! You can not be serious.

The coach picks the team and if someone misses out it is tough.

Imagine John O'Neill telling Guus there is a selection panel!

Perhaps a panel could select the coaches, like i think the FFSA did, then get the hell away from it. If some panel said they were going to select the squad all good coaches would give them the balls and say do it yourself.

[corona]

drusetta was you the coach that had his team petition against the club you coached , stand to be corrected . if you didnt coach them that year ?

[Drusetta]

Corona

I think the answer is yes, but a point of clarification. I knew nothing of the petition until after the club had received it. The parents took it upon themselves to do it.

I coached a junior club team one year then the club decided not to reappoint me for the second year and offered me another team. I recall that most coaching appointments are for 2 years however after the first year I found out informally that the club had asked someone else to coach "my" team the following year.
Unbeknownst to me, the parents and players arranged a letter to be written and signed by all asking that I be given the opportunity to coach the team for a second year.
Although I was given the team to coach the following year, and despite a successful season, it is my opinion that the team has not been given the recognition it deserves by the club. After all, your most successful juniors should be ear marked as members of your next generation senior team.

That said, if ever a coaching problem develops between myself and the team; and I see that a significant number of players and parents aren't happy; then I would leave, no problems. We, as junior coaches, are there to develop the players, not to feed our own egos.

Anyone looking for a junior coach in 2007?

[Unretired]

Anyone looking for a junior coach in 2007?

How would you like to coach Under 17 Girls????????

[Drusetta]

Mrs Trainer

U17 Girls at Knights I presume?

I'm happy to coach any group of motivated players at a supportive club.

It's quite a simple philosophy really.

[corona]

thanks drusetta for answering that question as its true that team has not been shown the loyalty from the club it deserves, been the only junior team last year to be champions . we done .

[BAGGIO 15]

Corona

I think the answer is yes, but a point of clarification. I knew nothing of the petition until after the club had received it. The parents took it upon themselves to do it.

I coached a junior club team one year then the club decided not to reappoint me for the second year and offered me another team. I recall that most coaching appointments are for 2 years however after the first year I found out informally that the club had asked someone else to coach "my" team the following year.
Unbeknownst to me, the parents and players arranged a letter to be written and signed by all asking that I be given the opportunity to coach the team for a second year.
Although I was given the team to coach the following year, and despite a successful season, it is my opinion that the team has not been given the recognition it deserves by the club. After all, your most successful juniors should be ear marked as members of your next generation senior team.

That said, if ever a coaching problem develops between myself and the team; and I see that a significant number of players and parents aren't happy; then I would leave, no problems. We, as junior coaches, are there to develop the players, not to feed our own egos.

Anyone looking for a junior coach in 2007?

These issues should be kept in club as there are reasons for Drusetta being given that team and reasons for him not being offered it to begin with. If he wants to leave the club he will talk, but if he wants to stay he should hold his toungue for the good of the club and his relationship with it. Not every thing goes ones way and I speak from experience.

[SILENT P]

Could this be sour grapes from Drusetta as he was not given the 23s coaching job?

[Drusetta]

Platini 10

I am not criticising the club. It is always a club's choice to appoint and not to appoint whoever they deem appropriate for coaching and other official club positions.

If a coach applies for a position and is not appointed then a club will respond in the usual manner and advise them that they are not successful.

I think you misinterpreted the gist of my comment. I merely stated the truth. The club make their appontments each season on what they deem appropriate (as would any club). I didn't think there was an issue/s.

[Drusetta]

Silent P

Not sour grapes at all regarding the U23's. The club appointed who they deemed appropriate, as per my comments to Platini 10. The senior teams have all had a very good season.

[corona]

this has gone way off the topic , its about zone not 23s

[Marco2]

Marco2,
you touch on several interesting points.

From my brief experience in the game of football I noticed a good percentage of professional players are sons, nephews or grandchildren of professional coaches or players: this is a worldwide phenomenon, generally it involves better coaching in earlier stages....

that is point no 1.

Again, from my brief experience I see there are many players but not too many coaches willing to give up all of their time, so often parents who are coaches are begged by clubs to coach their junior side....I would thank these coach/parents rather than accuse them of bias...most of them are tougher on their children in order to be fair.

that is point no.2

You seem to be very well informed about players and half the coaching staff but you clearly decided to ignore the fact there are 2 coaches and one of them is a miracle coach, a man who lives and breathes football; I wish I had a 14 year old kid (or any kid) in that selection to learn from the great man.

Here are the cases:

a)you don't know too much about U14 East but you're still making big claims.

b) you know all about it but have decided to write about part of it.

In either case, I am sure you can do better than that.

When you mention the 2 kids, however, I draw the line; you get personal and accusing and that, for me, is low.

Make names and speak up or clean it up, either way someone else is putting a lot of effort in for these kids...

Wild Eagle, you have an amazing gift in that you talk alot but manage to say nothing! Most of your argument has been based on your 'experience', so were my comments re the east 14 coach so clarify my responses:

a) Your right I don't know too much about 14 East but this wasn't my argument. I was talking about one of the coaches and I still stand by my original comments that there is a huge risk of bias. At this level (i.e. zones) fathers shouldn't be coaching their kids. If sones are good enough they will make it on their own merit. Surely a parent would prefer this?

b) Again, I don't know all about it (the zone team that is) but I have seen this coach before and he doesen't create an environment that fosters learning and enjoyment.

Finally this is my opinion only, based on experience alone. THerefore my case is as valid as yours as yours has no facts its opinion only, wich is fine, but don't try to tale the high moral ground based on that alone.

[Wild Eagle]

I am not really trying to take a moral high ground, but I object when you involve 14 year old kids; I felt you were heavy handed and therefore posted that reply.

I believe the U14 coaching staff are doing a good job and in good faith, if you were slightly more in the know (if you allow me to say so) you would know that there was no bias in selections.

You are absolutely free to post your opinions and naturally your thoughts are as or more valid than mine.

As a coach, I defend coach's honesty and good faith. Always did. Always will.

[Givemetheball]

how did the East U14's go?
didn't they have the pick of the teams (metros, Adel City,Campbtown etc.)?