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Black and White wrote:At the end of the day, winning the league is only a bonus, player development is the key to success, and as we all know the best team does not always win.
Confused me there a bit ???

I thought the team that wins is usually the better team, most consistent, etc

When does the worst team in the comp win ???

sorry but i don't understand that statement 'the blues"

of course player development is important, probably the most important, that's what this team has been doing for the past 2 years.[/quote]

What i am saying to you is that too many teams focus on winning the league and not developing players, we all know that many clubs move players up and down to win games, i cant see the point.

Good to see Para developing the boys, the club has good name for doing that.

See you in a couple of weeks :D
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moving players up is a form of developing kids, playing with better players and older players is a good way to develop juniors, clubs dont do it just to win games :D
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lets_talk_soccer wrote:moving players up is a form of developing kids, playing with better players and older players is a good way to develop juniors, clubs dont do it just to win games :D
I agree with boys moving up, my concern is that certain clubs DROP players depending who the game is against.This has been proven with various results in the N/E 16s league.What do boys get out of the game if they are dropped to the bench to allow other players to drop down and take their place?

And clubs do it with only one thing in mind, to win games.
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interpool wrote:
Black and White wrote:ironic isn't it how everyone has a different perspective on how a game went.

Para hills did play bad, however, as for being unlucky not to share the points is a joke. the ball hardly came into the knights half, salisbury sat 9 or 10 players in defence most of the game and just hacked away.

I guess we will get a true indication on the the Salisbury U 16's team next time they play the knights without the players from the u 15's.
sorry buddy no andy mc conell no para hills
Interpool,by your comments on this forum, you have seen the Para Hills U16's play a bit this season, even though you are associated with the Modbury Jets. But have you seen every Para Hills game? Here's a few Para Hills U16 facts you may not be aware of

They havent lost a game (won 13, drawn 1), are top of the league and still in the cup, have the best goal difference and have let in the least goals, and 12 players from the squad have scored this season. That's not bad for a one man team, eh.

I have to wonder why you spend so much time watching Para Hills U16's, when you could be watching other Modbury teams play. I know I would'nt be watching another U16 team play on a cold Friday night if I didnt have to.

Cheers.
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Yes, dropping players is becoming a problem with junior football
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lets_talk_soccer wrote:Yes, dropping players is becoming a problem with junior football
It's become a problem because there is too much 'moving players up'.

Sure, if an individual is super talented and suffering by playing at his age level, moving him up will help develop him. However, that is not the situation now. The situation is that too many 'good' (as opposed to extraordinary) kids are playing out of their age group and the result is that at the moment, the age groupings are meaningless. If the FFSA were to rule right now that all players should play within their own age group, you would see a massive reshuffle of teams, extra teams needed at the bottom end to cope with the flow down, an improvement in the 14/15/16/17 levels because all of a sudden you'd have the right aged kids playing there and NO DROP OFF in the competition.

At the 17 level though, you'd probably find clubs struggling to find players because the current nonsense is forcing kids of that age out of the competition because of the 'playing kids up' carry on. No, this is NOT a result of those 17s being not worthy, it's a result of power moves within clubs guaranteeing that entire squads are kept together and promoted beyond their age group to satisfy someone's desire 'have them play in the best league' - arrogance and nepotism in other words and it happens in every club to some extent.

The current 'playing kids out of their age group' culture is NOT developing the players and I contend that you can see this in the woeful level of the competition in U19, Reserves and even seniors. Why isn't it developing the players? Because too many kids have moved up. Basically, they are playing in their own age group (though polluted) with a different name and it only looks like they're doing well at that level now because older kids have been forced out the teams, often for reasons not associated with their skill, and because there is too much of a tendency to concentrate on 'the few'.

Then, all of a sudden, when you hit 16, 17 or 18, it's bloody hard to get a game, at a time when you are still developing yourself. Sure, it's a popular time for kids to drop out of sport as they discover girls and cars and girls and computers and girls and study becomes a larger part of their life, but they are not going to keep on playing if there's nowhere to play. Nor do I accept the argument that they 'just aren't good enough'. I've watched two U15 teams get promoted as a group to the 17s now, simply because their coach was powerful in the club and wanted the kudos. The result in both cases was a group of kids leaving that club. I'm watching similar machinations in my current club.

Anyone who has closely watched kids in that 15, 16, 17 and 18 age group, particular kids overlooked by the glamour squads but still given good coaches, will know that it's an age group that responds and develops well to good, skills and tactical coaching. There is still a lot that can be taught or refined. I've watched entire squads lift and develop as a good coach works on the raw material presented. The trouble is, with the current mentality in clubs, those players are often overlooked or simply forced out.

My solution is to restrict all players to their own age group (with let's say, one exception per team except in emergencies). Make more use of the grading system within age groupings (though that seems to work now).

Space out team trials so that kids can effectively try for more than one club. No, that's not a recipe for diluting the last club. Cumberland typically have 60 kids turn up for one team. Any coach will prefer players he's seen play well over the season just finished. You can't tell me that the 45 kids that miss out on that team selection are all rubbish.

This year's U16 competition is a good example. Clubs have ignored that competition over the years because it lacked the glamour of U17. Many of the teams playing this year have been built on those 'forgotten' players yet the standard within the competition has been growing all season, the pace has lifted, the skill levels improved and the games are tighter as a result. These kids will form a strong backbone for next years U17 competition ... but I wonder how many of them will find that politics leaves them without a club. That's not development.

There's a belief that top level teams are built from 'stars'. That's rubbish but it's how this mentality of playing kids above their level works. Look at ANY competition, and you will find that within each team, there are a few stars, but the majority of the players are just very skilled but very hard working players. Nothing standoutish or spectacular, just hard workers who work on their skills and do what the coach asks of them. They only learn that by serving their time in the ranks and working their way out of it. In SA at the moment, we are denying a large group of players the opportunity to learn that skill.
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teddles wrote:
lets_talk_soccer wrote:Yes, dropping players is becoming a problem with junior football
It's become a problem because there is too much 'moving players up'.

Sure, if an individual is super talented and suffering by playing at his age level, moving him up will help develop him. However, that is not the situation now. The situation is that too many 'good' (as opposed to extraordinary) kids are playing out of their age group and the result is that at the moment, the age groupings are meaningless. If the FFSA were to rule right now that all players should play within their own age group, you would see a massive reshuffle of teams, extra teams needed at the bottom end to cope with the flow down, an improvement in the 14/15/16/17 levels because all of a sudden you'd have the right aged kids playing there and NO DROP OFF in the competition.

At the 17 level though, you'd probably find clubs struggling to find players because the current nonsense is forcing kids of that age out of the competition because of the 'playing kids up' carry on. No, this is NOT a result of those 17s being not worthy, it's a result of power moves within clubs guaranteeing that entire squads are kept together and promoted beyond their age group to satisfy someone's desire 'have them play in the best league' - arrogance and nepotism in other words and it happens in every club to some extent.

The current 'playing kids out of their age group' culture is NOT developing the players and I content that you can see this in the woeful level of the competition in U19, Reserves and even seniors. WHy isn't it developing the players? Because too many kids have moved up. Basically, they are playing in their own age group (though polluted) with a different name and it only looks like they're doing well at that level now because older kids have been forced out the teams, often for reasons not associated with their skill, and because there is too much of a tendency to concentrate on 'the few'.

Then, all of a sudden, when you hit 16, 17 or 18, it's bloody hard to get a game, at a time when you are still developing yourself. Sure, it's a popular time for kids to drop out of sport as they discover girls and cars and girls and computers and girls and study becomes a larger part of their life, but they are not going to keep on playing if there's nowhere to play. Nor do I accept the argument that they 'just aren't good enough'. I've watched two U15 teams get promoted as a group to the 17s now, simply because their coach was powerful in the club and wanted the kudos. The result in both cases was a group of kids leaving that club. I'm watching similar machinations in my current club.

Anyone who has closely watched kids in that 15, 16, 17 and 18 age group, particular kids overlooked by the glamour squads but still given good coaches, will know that it's an age group that responds and develops well to good, skills and tactical coaching. There is still a lot that can be taught or refined. I've watched entire squads lift and develop as a good coach works on the raw material presented. The trouble is, with the current mentality in clubs, those players are often overlooked or simply forced out.

My solution is to restrict all players to their own age group (with let's say, one exception per team except in emergencies). Make more use of the grading system within age groupings (though that seems to work now).

Space out team trials so that kids can effectively try for more than one club. No, that's not a recipe for diluting the last club. Cumberland typically have 60 kids turn up for one team. Any coach will prefer players he's seen play well over the season just finished. You can't tell me that the 45 kids that miss out on that team selection are all rubbish.

This year's U16 competition is a good example. Clubs have ignored that competition over the years because it lacked the glamour of U17. Many of the teams playing this year have been built on those 'forgotten' players yet the standard within the competition has been growing all season, the pace has lifted, the skill levels improved and the games are tighter as a result. These kids will form a strong backbone for next years U17 competition ... but I wonder how many of them will find that politics leaves them without a club. That's not development.

There's a belief that top level teams are built from 'stars'. That's rubbish but it's how this mentality of playing kids above their level works. Look at ANY competition, and you will find that within each team, there are a few stars, but the majority of the players are just very skilled but very hard working players. Nothing standoutish or spectacular, just hard workers who work on their skills and do what the coach asks of them. They only learn that by serving their time in the ranks and working their way out of it. In SA at the moment, we are denying a large group of players the opportunity to learn that skill.
Well written and i totally agree, its good to see someone actually hit the nail on the head in regards to player movement.Thanks for your comments.
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[quote="service_krew"][quote="interpool"][quote="Black and White"]ironic isn't it how everyone has a different perspective on how a game went.

Para hills did play bad, however, as for being unlucky not to share the points is a joke. the ball hardly came into the knights half, salisbury sat 9 or 10 players in defence most of the game and just hacked away.

I guess we will get a true indication on the the Salisbury U 16's team next time they play the knights without the players from the u 15's.[/quote]

sorry buddy no andy mc conell no para hills[/quote]

Interpool,by your comments on this forum, you have seen the Para Hills U16's play a bit this season, even though you are associated with the Modbury Jets. But have you seen every Para Hills game? Here's a few Para Hills U16 facts you may not be aware of

They havent lost a game (won 13, drawn 1), are top of the league and still in the cup, have the best goal difference and have let in the least goals, and 12 players from the squad have scored this season. That's not bad for a one man team, eh.

I have to wonder why you spend so much time watching Para Hills U16's, when you could be watching other Modbury teams play. I know I would'nt be watching another U16 team play on a cold Friday night if I didnt have to.

Cheers.[/quote]



Ouch !!! that shut him up.
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sorry buddy no andy mc conell no para hills[/quote]

Then why wasnt he in the parahills 14A team last year, only in the B's ?? :?:
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My solution is to restrict all players to their own age group (with let's say, one exception per team except in emergencies). Make more use of the grading system within age groupings (though that seems to work now). .[/quote]

I dont think that is a good idea, most teams are made from there last years existing teams anyway only when it hits 16s many of the players start moving out of their age group to play 17s (from 15s to 17s), this was mainly because there wasnt a decent 16s league, and i still dont think there is a decent 16s league that is why there is such a difference in the standard between 16s and 17s. The state development squad players are also being pushed to play up in higher age groups to their own so the state coaches (which are meant to be the best around) must think moving players into higher age groups is a good idea.

Space out team trials so that kids can effectively try for more than one club. No, that's not a recipe for diluting the last club. Cumberland typically have 60 kids turn up for one team. Any coach will prefer players he's seen play well over the season just finished. You can't tell me that the 45 kids that miss out on that team selection are all rubbish. .[/quote]

I definatly agree with your statement here, kids need the opportunity to try out for a variety of clubs, normally all the trials have finished and some good kids are left to play in the B divison which i dont think will help them alot as a player. I also think doing this will make the A divison stronger :D


This year's U16 competition is a good example. Clubs have ignored that competition over the years because it lacked the glamour of U17. Many of the teams playing this year have been built on those 'forgotten' players yet the standard within the competition has been growing all season, the pace has lifted, the skill levels improved and the games are tighter as a result. These kids will form a strong backbone for next years U17 competition ... but I wonder how many of them will find that politics leaves them without a club. That's not development. .[/quote]

I know for a fact that the leading team in the U/16 north division (parahills) is the old U/14B team from last year, with a few inclusions, so i dont think that the standard has gotten alot better from previous years, just more teams. But most of all the kids that will form a strong back bone for the next years U17's competiton will be the existing 17s and most of the better players from the 15s, there more skillful and have a better understanding of the game, most 16s games ive seen its been the hit and hope tactics and "just kick it long" said by many coaches
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u16's is still considered a 15'B team and I personally think it will be a few years before it is accepted as a true age group.
admittidley there is some talent there with 'late bloomers' and this will definately have an impact on selecting the following years 17A squads.
The u16 games that I have seen have definately been a 'bomb it long and chase' style of game rather than the 'maintain possession and build' approach of the current era.
my personal opinion is to have u16's and atleast one 'B' team in every age group, keeping boys involved in sport, maintaining club loyalty and also assisting clubs with revenue, this of course would depend on avaliable facilities, ie reasonable 2nd & 3rd pitches.

in summary, play the game and enjoy it, no matter what level, and leave all the 'my kid's a superstar' crap for the pubs and the forums!!.
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Interpool,by your comments on this forum, you have seen the Para Hills U16's play a bit this season, even though you are associated with the Modbury Jets. But have you seen every Para Hills game? Here's a few Para Hills U16 facts you may not be aware of

They havent lost a game (won 13, drawn 1), are top of the league and still in the cup, have the best goal difference and have let in the least goals, and 12 players from the squad have scored this season. That's not bad for a one man team, eh.

I have to wonder why you spend so much time watching Para Hills U16's, when you could be watching other Modbury teams play. I know I would'nt be watching another U16 team play on a cold Friday night if I didnt have to.

Cheers.[/quote]



Ouch !!! that shut him up.[/quote][/quote]


i watch a lot of games on weekends because i love the game, but by the sound of things you seem to be a one parent team , you probably tell people your a football expert from watching one team week in week out how boring is your life, oh hang on you have a laptop
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sir Alex wrote:The u16 games that I have seen have definately been a 'bomb it long and chase' style of game rather than the 'maintain possession and build' approach of the current era.
That's changing in the southern group as the season goes on, being forced to by the improvement in the players. That was the point I was trying to make earlier, this is an age grouping that does benefit from good coaching and good tactical training but while clubs ignore them, the league as a whole is weakened. Keep the kids in their own age groups and you'll find that ALL age groups will increase in quality, rather than the current short term attempts to prop up the 17's and 19's.
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interpool wrote:Interpool,by your comments on this forum, you have seen the Para Hills U16's play a bit this season, even though you are associated with the Modbury Jets. But have you seen every Para Hills game? Here's a few Para Hills U16 facts you may not be aware of

They havent lost a game (won 13, drawn 1), are top of the league and still in the cup, have the best goal difference and have let in the least goals, and 12 players from the squad have scored this season. That's not bad for a one man team, eh.

I have to wonder why you spend so much time watching Para Hills U16's, when you could be watching other Modbury teams play. I know I would'nt be watching another U16 team play on a cold Friday night if I didnt have to.

Cheers.


Ouch !!! that shut him up.[/quote][/quote]


i watch a lot of games on weekends because i love the game, but by the sound of things you seem to be a one parent team , you probably tell people your a football expert from watching one team week in week out how boring is your life, oh hang on you have a laptop[/quote]


Interpool, I didn't say I was an expert but I'm glad you think I am. I don't know what a "one parent team" is, can you explain it to me.

I gather from your response that the reason you come and watch Para Hills U16 play is because you love the game.

If you love the game so much, then why do you feel the need to criticise the teams that play against Modbury. This season (in the U16 League) you have accused Para Hills of "instigating trouble", Cobras of being card cheats, and Blue Eagles of being "sooks" and "show ponies". This is not exactly constructive criticism.

Oh! and by the way I watch about 3-4 Para Hills games aweek, juniors and seniors.

Cheers.
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service_krew wrote:
interpool wrote:Interpool,by your comments on this forum, you have seen the Para Hills U16's play a bit this season, even though you are associated with the Modbury Jets. But have you seen every Para Hills game? Here's a few Para Hills U16 facts you may not be aware of

They havent lost a game (won 13, drawn 1), are top of the league and still in the cup, have the best goal difference and have let in the least goals, and 12 players from the squad have scored this season. That's not bad for a one man team, eh.

I have to wonder why you spend so much time watching Para Hills U16's, when you could be watching other Modbury teams play. I know I would'nt be watching another U16 team play on a cold Friday night if I didnt have to.

Cheers.


Ouch !!! that shut him up.
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i watch a lot of games on weekends because i love the game, but by the sound of things you seem to be a one parent team , you probably tell people your a football expert from watching one team week in week out how boring is your life, oh hang on you have a laptop[/quote]


Interpool, I didn't say I was an expert but I'm glad you think I am. I don't know what a "one parent team" is, can you explain it to me.

I gather from your response that the reason you come and watch Para Hills U16 play is because you love the game.

If you love the game so much, then why do you feel the need to criticise the teams that play against Modbury. This season (in the U16 League) you have accused Para Hills of "instigating trouble", Cobras of being card cheats, and Blue Eagles of being "sooks" and "show ponies". This is not exactly constructive criticism.

Oh! and by the way I watch about 3-4 Para Hills games aweek, juniors and seniors.

Cheers.[/quote]

Now now guys, is there any need to get bent up out of shape over who watches what games????????? why dont we all wipe the slate clean and start again, because all this arguing is only adding fuel to the fire when teams play against each other, if we are talking about Modbury and Para hills (as we genearlly do) all the boys have either played together , go to school together or are mates outside of the football world.

Having competition is a good thing , bagging each other is childish, and causes friction.
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theblues wrote:
service_krew wrote:
interpool wrote:Interpool,by your comments on this forum, you have seen the Para Hills U16's play a bit this season, even though you are associated with the Modbury Jets. But have you seen every Para Hills game? Here's a few Para Hills U16 facts you may not be aware of

They havent lost a game (won 13, drawn 1), are top of the league and still in the cup, have the best goal difference and have let in the least goals, and 12 players from the squad have scored this season. That's not bad for a one man team, eh.

I have to wonder why you spend so much time watching Para Hills U16's, when you could be watching other Modbury teams play. I know I would'nt be watching another U16 team play on a cold Friday night if I didnt have to.

Cheers.


Ouch !!! that shut him up.

i watch a lot of games on weekends because i love the game, but by the sound of things you seem to be a one parent team , you probably tell people your a football expert from watching one team week in week out how boring is your life, oh hang on you have a laptop[/quote]


Interpool, I didn't say I was an expert but I'm glad you think I am. I don't know what a "one parent team" is, can you explain it to me.

I gather from your response that the reason you come and watch Para Hills U16 play is because you love the game.

If you love the game so much, then why do you feel the need to criticise the teams that play against Modbury. This season (in the U16 League) you have accused Para Hills of "instigating trouble", Cobras of being card cheats, and Blue Eagles of being "sooks" and "show ponies". This is not exactly constructive criticism.

Oh! and by the way I watch about 3-4 Para Hills games aweek, juniors and seniors.

Cheers.[/quote]

Now now guys, is there any need to get bent up out of shape over who watches what games????????? why dont we all wipe the slate clean and start again, because all this arguing is only adding fuel to the fire when teams play against each other, if we are talking about Modbury and Para hills (as we genearlly do) all the boys have either played together , go to school together or are mates outside of the football world.

Having competition is a good thing , bagging each other is childish, and causes friction.[/quote]


Thanks for the advice. This issue is not about watching games, its about making inflamatory remarks about the opposing teams, afterwards. If someone posts a comment about my club or me, then I have the right to respond, as you did to my post. I agree though, lets keep it civil.

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service_krew wrote:This issue is not about watching games, its about making inflamatory remarks about the opposing teams, afterwards. If someone posts a comment about my club or me, then I have the right to respond, as you did to my post. I agree though, lets keep it civil.

Cheers
[general comment, service-krew is being quoted merely to provide the context, not to point fingers at him]

Do you 'need' to respond? So some idiot proves himself a loser as well by posting inflamatory comments about a team - it hurts his reputation while failing to hurt the club he's rubbished. If you join in, all you're doing is giving yourself the same reputation as the original idiot and while both practices continue, there will be little real comment or discussion on this forum.
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teddles wrote:
service_krew wrote:This issue is not about watching games, its about making inflamatory remarks about the opposing teams, afterwards. If someone posts a comment about my club or me, then I have the right to respond, as you did to my post. I agree though, lets keep it civil.

Cheers
[general comment, service-krew is being quoted merely to provide the context, not to point fingers at him]

Do you 'need' to respond? So some idiot proves himself a loser as well by posting inflamatory comments about a team - it hurts his reputation while failing to hurt the club he's rubbished. If you join in, all you're doing is giving yourself the same reputation as the original idiot and while both practices continue, there will be little real comment or discussion on this forum.
Well said,but i dont think idiots will stop making comment though
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I know for a fact that the leading team in the U/16 north division (parahills) is the old U/14[b]B[/b] team from last year, with a few inclusions, so i dont think that the standard has gotten alot better from previous years, just more teams. But most of all the kids that will form a strong back bone for the next years U17's competiton will be the existing 17s and most of the better players from the 15s, there more skillful and have a better understanding of the game, most 16s games ive seen its been the hit and hope tactics and "just kick it long" said by many coaches[/quote] :clown: :clown: :clown:

By that comment, I'm guessing that you havn't seen many U 16's games then. unless you come to watch after the 15's have finished, which would give me a slight indication of who you are, "pretty good idea anyway"

The u 16's have had acouple of bad games, but in my opinion never lucky to get the win, same as on Friday night with the u 15's the result does not often reflect the game does it ?

Maybe even, it could be your son who is one of the boys in that 15's by default.

What is this person on about????

I know for a fact, an absolute certainty that your u15's coach wanted at least 4 players from the current u 16 squad, but, for whatever their reasons opted to go to the 16's this year.

let's concentrate on the boys of the same age in both teams who are all eligable to play "U 15'S" are you honestly telling me that the U15's centre back, keeper and centre mid are better players than there equivilant in the U16's ?

Currently out of every club fielding an u16's team in this years comp how many do you think would be confident enough to say they would be able to beat their u 15's team while developing them ? and before you answer, look at the clubs that have taken the u 16's comp seriously for some years now, and i think you will find that most of their "16's" came from their "15's" or is your opinion just based on the one club, not the whole picture ?

or maybe don't even answer me until the trials have finished for next season beacause I would confidently put money on more players from the 16's playing in the 17's than players from the 15's next year, i'm confident that your arrogant and disrespectful opinion will be wrong.
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By that comment, I'm guessing that you havn't seen many U 16's games then. unless you come to watch after the 15's have finished, which would give me a slight indication of who you are, "pretty good idea anyway"
I dont think you know who i am!

Maybe even, it could be your son who is one of the boys in that 15's by default.
Definatley dont know who i am!!

I know for a fact, an absolute certainty that your u15's coach wanted at least 4 players from the current u 16 squad, but, for whatever their reasons opted to go to the 16's this year.

thats a load of wank, the 15s coach didnt want any players from the 16s to play for him, one player moved up, thats bout it.

let's concentrate on the boys of the same age in both teams who are all eligable to play "U 15'S" are you honestly telling me that the U15's centre back, keeper and centre mid are better players than there equivilant in the U16's ?

Yep. I wouldnt change any players from the 15s with the 16s. Maybe 1 or 2 but otherwise i feel the 15s team is very well structured throughout.


or maybe don't even answer me until the trials have finished for next season beacause I would confidently put money on more players from the 16's playing in the 17's than players from the 15's next year, i'm confident that your arrogant and disrespectful opinion will be wrong.[/quote]

The only way more players from the 16s would make 17s is if there coach became the 17s coach, i would say most of the 15s go 17A's, some stay at the 16s, but defiantley most of the 16s will go to the 17B's, you have to remember that there are 4 teams now wanting to play 17A's
The old 17A's, the ones that dont make the 19s, the 17B's, the 16's, and the 15's so alot of the kids will stay in there age group or get cut
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Re: Round 11 reults

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Time will tell then?

I would say that the U 16's would flog the U 15's :D :D :D :D :D

so why would you pick more of the 15's ?????????????????
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Black and White wrote:Time will tell then?

I would say that the U 16's would flog the U 15's :D :D :D :D :D

so why would you pick more of the 15's ?????????????????
I think not but theres no point arguing.
I would pick more of the 15s because there the more commited bunch of kids, alot have been in the team since under 11 and i think they deserve it, as it was said before the 16s is mainly the U14Bs from last year with just some older kids thrown in there and the 15s are the 14A team from last year who have also had some new kids so the majority of the 15s are the better players. Also, the 17A's this year are bringing kids up to play from the 15s. Why arent they picking the 16s or even the 17bs??
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Committed !!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know that there is at least 3 players in your team that miss trainning most of the time, hence the reason why your coach starts them on the bench most weeks.

how many have been in the team since u 11's ?? most have left that team, two of them in the u 16's, two in sasi, 1 in the 17's one left to play footy, so think about what you are saying, and "DESERVE" has nothing to do with it.

as for the 15's being ask to play for the 17's ( the same 2 each time ) you really need to check your facts there.

They did ask for players from 16's FIRST, but apparently the coach said NO because that meant they had to play for another team before their own, on the day of their game.

it''s bad enough that two people from the same club are arguing publicly, but at least make an attempt to assertain the facts first before you make inflammatory statements on this forum, especially when it's about a team from your own club.

most of the junior teams are doing well at the moment at para hills and all deserve a chance next year and encouragement this year.
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Re: Round 11 reults

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Look you guys have drifted off the topic :|

I have a fair idea who you both are and, if i am correct, you have two really good teams in a Gr8 club, heading in the right direction.

Lets post results instead :wink:

U15's
Modbury 4 - 1 West Adelaide

U17's
Modbury 2 - 3 West Adelaide

There :D
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I know that there is at least 3 players in your team that miss trainning most of the time, hence the reason why your coach starts them on the bench most weeks.(quote)
There are only 2 players that arent regular at training, the other 13 kids are very committed.

how many have been in the team since u 11's ?? most have left that team, two of them in the u 16's, two in sasi, 1 in the 17's one left to play footy, so think about what you are saying, and "DESERVE" has nothing to do with it.(quote)
5 players since the under 11's and i would say that Parahills are loyal to there long time serving kids and the club would say they deserve a spot.

as for the 15's being ask to play for the 17's ( the same 2 each time ) you really need to check your facts there.(quote)
i know that they pick the same 2 each week but that was different at the start of the season where (when still picking the same 2) filtered through another 3 kids.
They did ask for players from 16's FIRST, but apparently the coach said NO because that meant they had to play for another team before their own, on the day of their game.(quote)
I doubt that very much as when the 16s have friday night games not one 16s player comes down to play for the 17s on sunday, it has always been 15s infront of the 16s.

it''s bad enough that two people from the same club are arguing publicly, but at least make an attempt to assertain the facts first before you make inflammatory statements on this forum, especially when it's about a team from your own club.(quote)
i dont think my statements are inflammatory, just honest and truthful, i would say 13 kids out of 15 at training every week is commited and i would also say that 5 kids from the under 11's is alot of the team and very deserving aswell, as these kids are all in the starting 11, 1 of them captain and is also the 1 picked regualy for the 17s

most of the junior teams are doing well at the moment at para hills and all deserve a chance next year and encouragement this year.[/quote]
Agreed there mate, i like seeing that the 17s,16s,15s and other teams are all top of there league, its fantastic , and i would encourage every team to finish there league strongly and try there best and i would aslo wish kids luck in next years trials

p.s sorry barney for going off topic :P
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Well done barney :)
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No probs guys,

we are all committed to the junior development of these kids, lets wait another 4-5 years and see them all in the senior squads, then we will know we have ALL suceeded.

Then we can all cut crook at the senior coaches selection policies together :lol: :lol:
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