to all the anti-Italians

[Juventino]

Erm, when you labelled him with Deco, Pepe and the rest, insinuating it was wrong that he chose Italy over Australia. And you said it was worng because he was a dual citizen or soemthing. Answer the bloody question! It was your point, you should be able to give a simple answer. You said he was an Aussie choosing Italy over Australia.

I didn't insinuate it as wrong at all. I never said it was wrong because he was a dual citizen so unless you can structure your question without putting words in my mouth then I can't possibly answer your question.

You said,

Theoretically any country can get any players as well, eg. Marcos Senna is a Brazilian playing for Spain, Camoranesi is an Argentine playing for Italy, Perrota is an Englishman playing Italy. Deco is a Brazilian playing for Portugal, Pepe is a Brazilian playing for Portugal. Vieri was an Australian playing for Italy. I could go on.

So basically, choosing Italy was wrong because he is Aussie. How exactly is it wrong?

[Missing Post Count]

His brother certainly does as he was born here, but I've never heard of Christian being an Aust. citizen.

I think I saw an exposé on him once as one that got away and it was said then that he was not a citizen and has never had qualification to represent Australia. Being born here doesn't guarantee you citizenship unless one of your parents is a citizen or a permanent resident.

or you're a gun at sport

So true.

[Missing Post Count]

His brother certainly does as he was born here, but I've never heard of Christian being an Aust. citizen.

I think I saw an exposé on him once as one that got away and it was said then that he was not a citizen and has never had qualification to represent Australia. Being born here doesn't guarantee you citizenship unless one of your parents is a citizen or a permanent resident.

Christian wasn't even born here.

I should have explained that second sentence a little bettrer. I was referring to his brother in that he doesn't become an automatic citizen just by being born here. That would depend on what his parents' status was at the time which I do not know.

[The Kop]

His brother certainly does as he was born here, but I've never heard of Christian being an Aust. citizen.

I think I saw an exposé on him once as one that got away and it was said then that he was not a citizen and has never had qualification to represent Australia. Being born here doesn't guarantee you citizenship unless one of your parents is a citizen or a permanent resident.

I should have explained that second sentence a little bettrer. I was referring to his brother in that he doesn't become an automatic citizen just by being born here. That would depend on what his parents' status was at the time which I do not know.

Yes he does pre Aug 86, therefore his brother would have been an Australian citizen from when he was popped out (unless old man/old lady Vieri was a diplomat or related occupation).

[Missing Post Count]

Yes he does pre Aug 86,

I didn't know that the laws changed in 86. I learnt something today.

[diegom]

I found out why he must hate italian football so much

Italy’s quarter-final with Spain is already hotting up as Luis Enrique asks David Villa to “avenge” his broken nose.

The midfielder was left bleeding after an elbow from Mauro Tassotti during the Azzurri’s 2-1 quarter-final win in the 1994 World Cup.

Unseen by the referee, the incident did not hand Spain a penalty, but Tassotti was later banned for eight games.

Spanish newspaper Marca plastered the image on the front page of today’s edition with the headline: ‘Italy, we can’t forget this.’

“I really wanted Spain to cross swords with Italy again,” Luis Enrique told the Marca website.

“There is no better opponent to face if we are to sweep aside this taboo that has stopped us from winning the European Championship.

“I hope David Villa will be the one to avenge the 1994 defeat, as he too grew up in the Sporting Gijon ranks.”

The nations clash in Sunday’s quarter-final and the memories keep going back to USA ’94.

“Tassotti won’t play? Then we can relax,” joked Luis Enrique, who has now been appointed Coach of the Barcelona Reserves.

“I have nothing against him, I just hope my children don’t have to see those images any more, otherwise they might think someone beat me up today rather than 14 years ago.”

Marca weren’t the only ones worried about the upcoming encounter, as Italy are known as Spain’s bete noir, unbeaten in official head-to-heads since 1920.

“Italy, always Italy,” mused El Pais. “They never give in and have been resuscitated for the umpteenth time.”

El Mundo agreed and noted the Azzurri are “the eternal survivors, able to die and rise again during a tournament when needed.”

Bravo Tassotti, should of ended his career!


So the Spanish are lookin at revenge?
And the Italians will add more grief to them NOT WINNING any European trophies!

[ozzie owl]

Spot on and I would have no issue with you proudly wearing a Poland shirt.

Just as I wear an England top, just Aussie will always come first.

He's doing it because of a heritage though, you have turned your back on your country.

I hold an Australian passport and proud of this great country, still proud of my heritage and beloved Owls.

[Translator]

1982 - Roger Milla incorrectly disallowed goal allows Italy to progress

and went on to beat a defending champions and Maradona lead Argentina, tournament favourites Brazil, Poland and West Germany your point?

I want to know why 0 world cups is laughable, if we take into account European competition Italy and Spain are even....so why doesn't that come into play. While we're at it lets have a good laugh at almost every other country in the world because hey....they don't have 4 world cups. LAUGHABLE!!

Have a close look at the Italian, German, French & English strip they all boast their world cup wins, no one bothers to dirty their shirt by acknowledging the European Cup. Reason why........ because Spain once won one!

For the record Uruguay country of 5m, 2 world cups more than Spain

I just fell sorry for the Basque, having to be forced to live under the same flag as people like you.

Either this guy is the best fisherman ever to vist the forum or he's missing a few chromosomes

maybee you should take in some Spanish commentary on winning a world cup Semi Final. After all it's the closest a Spaniard will get to making a World Cup Final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APeL1Uk1bFk

[King Henry Returns]

Spot on and I would have no issue with you proudly wearing a Poland shirt.

Just as I wear an England top, just Aussie will always come first.

He's doing it because of a heritage though, you have turned your back on your country.

I hold an Australian passport and proud of this great country, still proud of my heritage and beloved Owls.

Why is there always talk about nationality/heritage and who people should support ?

anyway, Is there a hard and fast rule that should determine nationality? Is being born and raised in one country more important than your blood-line? For example, I know of an intelligent man with French heritage who was born in China but made his home in Australia. He feels Australian by way of citizenship, but French at the same time. He does not consider himself Chinese.

People should stop telling people who they should be supporting, im sure they're more than capable of working it out for themselves, and as mentioned previously by many if that happens to be about 6 different teams.. you're clearly a dummystick.

On the other hand, and somewhat contradictory to the above statement, if you support a national team that you have absolutely no affiliation with, and you support them simply because you 'like them' (mainly directed at some guy that supports Brazil on this forum) I think there is something wrong with you. It is sought of like having sexual intercourse with sea creatures... if that’s you're thing then good on you, but lets be honest, it’s not normal and you should probably keep it to yourself. Fair enough if you like the squad, for example as a Milan fan I had admiration for the dutch side of Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard and co. but I’m obviously not going to support Holland over Australia (my home) or Italy (my heritage).

[Missing Post Count]

It is sought of like having sexual intercourse with sea creatures...

That's an image I didn't need
I presume my son would grow up supporting Oz since he was born here and more than likely will grow up here, irrespective of where his parents were born.

[Madridista612]

You said,

Theoretically any country can get any players as well, eg. Marcos Senna is a Brazilian playing for Spain, Camoranesi is an Argentine playing for Italy, Perrota is an Englishman playing Italy. Deco is a Brazilian playing for Portugal, Pepe is a Brazilian playing for Portugal. Vieri was an Australian playing for Italy. I could go on.

So basically, choosing Italy was wrong because he is Aussie. How exactly is it wrong?

I never said it was wrong at all please stop putting words in my mouth.

Bravo Tassotti, should of ended his career!

No, THATS why I hate Italy, their fans are proud of stuff like that, you're a joke mate.

For the record Uruguay country of 5m, 2 world cups more than Spain

Any why exactly does population matter at all, China have one of the hugest populations in the world and they didn't even make the last World Cup....ditto India.

[Missing Post Count]

Any why exactly does population matter at all

It doesn't. It's an over-used irrelavant statistic.

[BAGGIO 15]

What are you guys arguing about, arguing on the net is like winning the special Olympics because even if you win you're still retarded.

[Missing Post Count]

What are you guys arguing about, arguing on the net is like winning the special Olympics because even if you win you're still retarded.

Gold. I'll have to put that in my signature one day

[Hawkesy]

On dual citizenship, I have no problem with this as long as the person was entitled to this at birth.

I suppose you'd have a pretty huge problem with the Qatari national team then hey

Too right I do, it's wrong. You can't change your nationality, it's something you are born into and if you are REALLY lucky you are born into English.

Well obviously you can change it but not in your heart surely. We all love our own countires and we all stand up for them. We all think our own country is the best one. I know it's England, some of you know it's australia, others know it's italy .....

[Hawkesy]

Any why exactly does population matter at all

It doesn't. It's an over-used irrelavant statistic.

especially in australia

[Crazy-North]

hey sorry for my late contribution to the thread... but just as a general statement... The Italians deserve every success which they have achieved to this point! I think people express anti italian views purely because they are angry that Italy always find their way out of trouble and find ways to win even if they are perfroming badly and people just cant handle it. I think Italy's ability to get out of trouble and find a way to win in any circumstance defines them as a winning team. Ok so their has been some controvesy particulalry with Grosso's dive but he got away with it. If he was caught out he would get punished for it so he tried his luck. Im not saying it is right to act in this way but it should be Grosso that should be questioned and the refereeing and not the whole italian team. Personally i was hoping that Italy were going to get eliminated from the Euro purely because i know if they play shit at the start, they have a good chance of getting it together and winning it. Well that is the truth that everyone particularly madrista chooses to avoid. Personally though i hope that the best football in Europe prevails which is currently dutch football. Oh and Madrista spain are a team very willing to use cheating tactics when they are losing e.g Spain played Bosnia in Spain in a qualifier for the 2006 world cup. Bosnia took the lead and Spain couldnt find a way back in the match so is it surprising that 2 bosnia players were red carder in extra time and the game was extended another 8 minutes after regular time until spain found an equaliser. By the way its people like you that promote a bad image for your own country. Spain have played well in the Euro and your crap on here is not needed. It seems as if your scared of the quarter finals.

[getborn]

hey sorry for my late contribution to the thread... but just as a general statement... The Italians deserve every success which they have achieved to this point! I think people express anti italian views purely because they are angry that Italy always find their way out of trouble and find ways to win even if they are perfroming badly and people just cant handle it. I think Italy's ability to get out of trouble and find a way to win in any circumstance defines them as a winning team. Ok so their has been some controvesy particulalry with Grosso's dive but he got away with it. If he was caught out he would get punished for it so he tried his luck. Im not saying it is right to act in this way but it should be Grosso that should be questioned and the refereeing and not the whole italian team. Personally i was hoping that Italy were going to get eliminated from the Euro purely because i know if they play cabernet at the start, they have a good chance of getting it together and winning it. Well that is the truth that everyone particularly madrista chooses to avoid. Personally though i hope that the best football in Europe prevails which is currently dutch football. Oh and Madrista spain are a team very willing to use cheating tactics when they are losing e.g Spain played Bosnia in Spain in a qualifier for the 2006 world cup. Bosnia took the lead and Spain couldnt find a way back in the match so is it surprising that 2 bosnia players were red carder in extra time and the game was extended another 8 minutes after regular time until spain found an equaliser. By the way its people like you that promote a bad image for your own country. Spain have played well in the Euro and your crap on here is not needed. It seems as if your scared of the quarter finals.

agree for the most part,,,

grosso was still a pen imo.

[delfino_1936]

of course it was a penalty, Neil went down to the ground before Grosso even went into the box

[Madridista612]

hey sorry for my late contribution to the thread... but just as a general statement... The Italians deserve every success which they have achieved to this point! I think people express anti italian views purely because they are angry that Italy always find their way out of trouble and find ways to win even if they are perfroming badly and people just cant handle it. I think Italy's ability to get out of trouble and find a way to win in any circumstance defines them as a winning team. Ok so their has been some controvesy particulalry with Grosso's dive but he got away with it. If he was caught out he would get punished for it so he tried his luck. Im not saying it is right to act in this way but it should be Grosso that should be questioned and the refereeing and not the whole italian team. Personally i was hoping that Italy were going to get eliminated from the Euro purely because i know if they play cabernet at the start, they have a good chance of getting it together and winning it. Well that is the truth that everyone particularly madrista chooses to avoid. Personally though i hope that the best football in Europe prevails which is currently dutch football. Oh and Madrista spain are a team very willing to use cheating tactics when they are losing e.g Spain played Bosnia in Spain in a qualifier for the 2006 world cup. Bosnia took the lead and Spain couldnt find a way back in the match so is it surprising that 2 bosnia players were red carder in extra time and the game was extended another 8 minutes after regular time until spain found an equaliser. By the way its people like you that promote a bad image for your own country. Spain have played well in the Euro and your crap on here is not needed. It seems as if your scared of the quarter finals.

Did not know about the events in the Bosnia game, but if it really happened then it's very unfortunate and I feel embarrassed that a team like Spain would resort to something like that. As for "your (my) crap" I expressed my opinion and I expressed it clearly, Italy have been "fortunate" on a great many occassions and then you get people like diegom on this forum celebrating the fact that one of their players intentionally hurt another player, like it's some sort of achievement, I for one find that wrong. As for the quarter finals, i'm not scared at all, being a supporter of Spain you don't come to expect a great deal so if we lose, no matter, we'll just try again in 2010, but if we win, we've beat the Campioni del Mondo and this Italy side will be the worst team in 88 years

[El Pibe D'Oro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_a ... mpic_Games

Very interesting friends. Sorry if it has already been posted, couldnt be bothered going through 6 pages.

[JUVE 11]

......... if we win, we've beat the Campioni del Mondo and this Italy side will be the worst team in 88 years

Could you please explain how you come to the conclusion that this Italy side will be worst team in 88 years ?

[Juventino]

I think because Spain haven't beaten us for 88 years or something.

[Piola]

For years, Real Madrid -- who, much like European businesses, benefited handsomely from government assistance and preferential treatment for years -- represented Francisco Franco's favorite toy.

In large part due to Franco's dictatorial ways, Real Madrid secured the best players, fielded the best teams and won Championships. But over the decades, Real Madrid saw its dominance erode at the expense of rivals, notably, cross-country foe FC Barcelona.

During the initial stages of his career, Francisco Franco worked long hours but as his professional life stagnated, due to age, he was inclined to take many extended vacations. His principle activities, during these hours of leisure, included hunting, fishing, golf, and even painting. Football was also high on his list of social interests and Real Madrid found, in the Dictator, an avid supporter.

so Franco was a Madridista like yourself.

and even as far as Fascist dictators go, he was only second best.

[Piola]

LOL Real was his team.....RACING FERROL was his team...ooommmggg how stupid can you be, he was born in Galicia for one. Real Madrid being his team is just a convenient way for FC Barcelona to blame their failings and tarnish Real Madrid's successes, there is no evidence to back it up, but if you can find some, i'm more than willing to concede.

He was born in El Ferrol, but tell me wanka, how many football fans follow their hometown?????

REAL MADRID was obviously his team. the evidence is plastered all over the net. how stupid can you be?????????

so from reading various histories of Real and Franco, he was obviously a merengue. but why???? was he the average bandwagoner like yourself, or did he support Real because they were against Barcelona and he wanted to surpress regionalism in Spain???

holes in your story everywhere clown.

ma vaffanculo

It is clear that the Italian national team has at least four clean titles to their name, which is 3 more than Spain can claim, so go f*ck yourself.

[Motley]

Just some interesting facts about some of italys 1934 world cup squad. Notice their places of Birth


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Monti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attilio_Demar%C3%ADa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Guaita

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfilogino_Guarisi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raimundo_Orsi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Varglien

[Piola]

Just some interesting facts about some of italys 1934 world cup squad. Notice their places of Birth


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Monti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attilio_Demar%C3%ADa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Guaita

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfilogino_Guarisi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raimundo_Orsi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Varglien

they were the children of Italian immigrants

it would be like me playing for Italia or you playing for Greece

perhaps Bresciano, Grella and co should not be Socceroos??

I do disagree with playing for more than one nation though, but the Spanish can hardly talk. What links did Puskas, Kubala and co have with Spain???

[medallion]

Just some interesting facts about some of italys 1934 world cup squad. Notice their places of Birth


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Monti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attilio_Demar%C3%ADa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Guaita

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfilogino_Guarisi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raimundo_Orsi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Varglien

they were the children of Italian immigrants

it would be like me playing for Italia or you playing for Greece

perhaps Bresciano, Grella and co should not be Socceroos??

I do disagree with playing for more than one nation though, but the Spanish can hardly talk. What links did Puskas, Kubala and co have with Spain???

Explain to me how they were "children" of migrants if they played for Argentina in the world Cup 4 years prior??

[Translator]

Explain to me how they were "children" of migrants if they played for Argentina in the world Cup 4 years prior??

Ok

Mummy and daddy were born in Italy and decide to move to Argentina. Got on big boat, called a ship and "migrated" (means went to live in a foreign country) to Argentina. People who do this are called "migrants"

Mummy & Daddy shack up and have a kid (hope I don't need to spell that part out for you). Kid grows up in Argentina plays football there and makes his name for the national team.

Italian Football clubs identify the talent and bring them to Italy to play for Italian clubs. FIFA rules at the time was players represented the football league they played in hence now play for Italy.

Best I can do without pictures

[medallion]

Explain to me how they were "children" of migrants if they played for Argentina in the world Cup 4 years prior??

Ok

Mummy and daddy were born in Italy and decide to move to Argentina. Got on big boat, called a ship and "migrated" (means went to live in a foreign country) to Argentina. People who do this are called "migrants"

Mummy & Daddy shack up and have a kid (hope I don't need to spell that part out for you). Kid grows up in Argentina plays football there and makes his name for the national team.

Italian Football clubs identify the talent and bring them to Italy to play for Italian clubs. FIFA rules at the time was players represented the football league they played in hence now play for Italy.

Best I can do without pictures

Thanks for the clarification, hopefully next time minus the sarcasm. I ask a genuine question and somehow you feel the need to ridicule a fellow forumite. I wasn't sure of the rulings back then and felt that it would be hard to classify these players as "Children" as they had played in a WC 4 years prior.