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AC Milan fans 'angry' over Didier Drogba link

AC Milan fans are reported to be unhappy about rumours that Didier Drogba is one of the club's transfer targets.

The president of AC Milan, Adriano Galliani, has claimed that talks with Drogba are already at an advanced stage, suggesting that AC Milan's coach, Carlo Ancelotti, was keen on signing the 30-year-old.

According to the Daily Express newspaper, fans on AC Milan internet forums have expressed their displeasure at the suggestion, with one apparently writing: "Milan have a fair play team and we don't need a diver."

The report says that fans are "besieging" websites, saying that Drogba was unwanted at AC Milan.

Drogba has regularly been linked to both the Milan-based Serie A sides, and has stated his desire to play for one of the two pedigree Italian teams.

However, with Jose Mourinho's appointment to Inter Milan confirmed this week, it appeared that Inter would have the advantage when it came to signing the Ivory Coast international.
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Drogba is known to be close to the former Chelsea manager and was highly vocal in expressing his desire to move shortly after Mourinho's departure from Stamford Bridge.

AC Milan's statement about Drogba has been construed in some quarters as a deliberate challenge to the Portuguese manager as he begins his new role at their big local rivals.

Whatever the truth, it seems increasingly likely that Drogba will soon be swapping his current London club for a Milan side.
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how long until the Australia - Italy game gets brought up :lol:
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I take it no Milan fans watched the Celtic game with Gilardino then :P
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Answer to diving lies in video review after game issuing retropsective yellow cards.
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Insp. Montalbano wrote: how long until the Australia - Italy game gets brought up :lol:
it probably won't be brought up. they should offer lessons in defending to lucas neill. :P
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ozzie owl wrote:Answer to diving lies in video review after game issuing retropsective yellow cards.
CORRECT - and also up the punishment.

If an attacker goes past the last defender and dives, he can get the defender sent off BUT is only risking a yellow himself. Rule would be that if you would have sent the defender off but it's a dive send off the attacker.
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Juventino wrote:I take it no Milan fans watched the Celtic game with Gilardino then :P
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Hawkesy wrote:
ozzie owl wrote:Answer to diving lies in video review after game issuing retropsective yellow cards.
CORRECT - and also up the punishment.

If an attacker goes past the last defender and dives, he can get the defender sent off BUT is only risking a yellow himself. Rule would be that if you would have sent the defender off but it's a dive send off the attacker.
The fourth official should down after the game and review diving incidents and shirt pulling and issue yellow cards after the game. Do that a few times and you will see it dissappear. Simulation is the biggest scar on the world/beautiful game.
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Insp. Montalbano wrote:how long until the Australia - Italy game gets brought up :lol:
You brought it up with that question :wink:
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Hawkesy wrote:
ozzie owl wrote:Answer to diving lies in video review after game issuing retropsective yellow cards.
CORRECT - and also up the punishment.

If an attacker goes past the last defender and dives, he can get the defender sent off BUT is only risking a yellow himself. Rule would be that if you would have sent the defender off but it's a dive send off the attacker.
Ive been saying this for years. Diving should be a send off offence (as should shirt pulling). After some howls of protest to begin with, hopefully it would eventually be eradicated from the game.
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Bomber wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:
ozzie owl wrote:Answer to diving lies in video review after game issuing retropsective yellow cards.
CORRECT - and also up the punishment.

If an attacker goes past the last defender and dives, he can get the defender sent off BUT is only risking a yellow himself. Rule would be that if you would have sent the defender off but it's a dive send off the attacker.
Ive been saying this for years. Diving should be a send off offence (as should shirt pulling). After some howls of protest to begin with, hopefully it would eventually be eradicated from the game.

many players have been incorrectly booked for supposedly diving, when they have been actually fouled. Straight red would be silly imo.
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we need the likes of Claudio Gentile playing again

Cristiano Ronaldo would be a nothing player in that era. he wouldnt be able to hold up to that kind of treatment.
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il duce wrote:we need the likes of Claudio Gentile playing again

Cristiano Ronaldo would be a nothing player in that era. he wouldnt be able to hold up to that kind of treatment.
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Inter_boy;) wrote:many players have been incorrectly booked for supposedly diving, when they have been actually fouled. Straight red would be silly imo.
many players have been sent off on the back of a dive as well. What's your point?
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Yellow card is better than red for diving, Yellow cards make players think twice before making the same mistake. its like "OK, you got me, i wont do it again". as opposed to coach going "oh fuck, now our team is 10 men, all defend" thus making the game shit.

But in saying this, in soccer we play for a result, not to play beautiful soccer. so the managers mind is not relevant.
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MilanManiac wrote:Yellow card is better than red for diving, Yellow cards make players think twice before making the same mistake. its like "OK, you got me, i wont do it again". as opposed to coach going "oh shiraz, now our team is 10 men, all defend" thus making the game cabernet.

But in saying this, in soccer we play for a result, not to play beautiful soccer. so the managers mind is not relevant.
if i could get a yellow card for punching someone I would do it, most weeks. The reason I don't is because the punishment is a red card. Yellow cards don't stop people doing it, they just stop people doing it twice.

Red cards stop people doing it full stop.
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Hawkesy wrote:
MilanManiac wrote:Yellow card is better than red for diving, Yellow cards make players think twice before making the same mistake. its like "OK, you got me, i wont do it again". as opposed to coach going "oh shiraz, now our team is 10 men, all defend" thus making the game cabernet.

But in saying this, in soccer we play for a result, not to play beautiful soccer. so the managers mind is not relevant.
if i could get a yellow card for punching someone I would do it, most weeks. The reason I don't is because the punishment is a red card. Yellow cards don't stop people doing it, they just stop people doing it twice.

Red cards stop people doing it full stop.
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Inter_boy;) wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:
MilanManiac wrote:Yellow card is better than red for diving, Yellow cards make players think twice before making the same mistake. its like "OK, you got me, i wont do it again". as opposed to coach going "oh shiraz, now our team is 10 men, all defend" thus making the game cabernet.

But in saying this, in soccer we play for a result, not to play beautiful soccer. so the managers mind is not relevant.
if i could get a yellow card for punching someone I would do it, most weeks. The reason I don't is because the punishment is a red card. Yellow cards don't stop people doing it, they just stop people doing it twice.

Red cards stop people doing it full stop.
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I have always been a big water diving fan, so when that isn't on TV i watch Italian football, that's how i became a Chievo fan :D :lol:
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Hawkesy wrote:
Inter_boy;) wrote:many players have been incorrectly booked for supposedly diving, when they have been actually fouled. Straight red would be silly imo.
many players have been sent off on the back of a dive as well. What's your point?
I am with you Hawkesy time to crack down on diving and shirt pulling.

Can you imagine if the 4th official in opening Euro 2008 gave out a bunch of restrospective yellows (which could turn into reds) in the opening rounds , soon see some behaviour modification.
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If your good enough to get away with a dive or pulling the shirt so be it, the ref miss that many you can't help but blame the players for emphasing a challenge. If you trip over the 18 yard line and get away with it two match suspension based on video evidence.

No shirt pulling, no diving, no professional fouls, no tackling from behind, no deliberate hand ball etc etc why don't we just ban tackoing altogether so we can pretty up the sport even further.

Rules are the same both ways (unless Moggi is around) so get over it. Best dive I ever saw was Simeone getting Beckham set off in the '98 World Cup. If your good enough to con a ref so be it.
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Insp. Montalbano wrote:
AC Milan fans 'angry' over Didier Drogba link

AC Milan fans are reported to be unhappy about rumours that Didier Drogba is one of the club's transfer targets.

The president of AC Milan, Adriano Galliani, has claimed that talks with Drogba are already at an advanced stage, suggesting that AC Milan's coach, Carlo Ancelotti, was keen on signing the 30-year-old.

According to the Daily Express newspaper, fans on AC Milan internet forums have expressed their displeasure at the suggestion, with one apparently writing: "Milan have a fair play team and we don't need a diver."

The report says that fans are "besieging" websites, saying that Drogba was unwanted at AC Milan.

Drogba has regularly been linked to both the Milan-based Serie A sides, and has stated his desire to play for one of the two pedigree Italian teams.

However, with Jose Mourinho's appointment to Inter Milan confirmed this week, it appeared that Inter would have the advantage when it came to signing the Ivory Coast international.
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Drogba is known to be close to the former Chelsea manager and was highly vocal in expressing his desire to move shortly after Mourinho's departure from Stamford Bridge.

AC Milan's statement about Drogba has been construed in some quarters as a deliberate challenge to the Portuguese manager as he begins his new role at their big local rivals.

Whatever the truth, it seems increasingly likely that Drogba will soon be swapping his current London club for a Milan side.

The headline reads.. "AC Milan fans 'angry' over Didier Drogba link" due to a few people making comments on a computer forum

Thats like a newspaper headline reading 'Australians hate Malaysians' based on this forums treatment of Ronaldo007

and red card for a shirt tug :?
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WoLFMaN wrote:The best dive i have ever seen was the Nigerian chap that managed to get Zola sent off in the 94 World Cup.
The linesman deserved to be shot dead for that. Absolute disgrace.
The best dive I saw was roberto carlos over Petter Møller of Denmark in France 98. Authoroties should be able to go back to video evidence and if it's clear cut as that one was suspend the player from the tournament or for the rest of the league season if it happens in a league match.
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Bodø Glimt wrote:
WoLFMaN wrote:The best dive i have ever seen was the Nigerian chap that managed to get Zola sent off in the 94 World Cup.
The linesman deserved to be shot dead for that. Absolute disgrace.
The best dive I saw was roberto carlos over Petter Møller of Denmark in France 98. Authoroties should be able to go back to video evidence and if it's clear cut as that one was suspend the player from the tournament or for the rest of the league season if it happens in a league match.
I am with you all the way, the other areas to be looked at:

1. Players feigning injuries, referees need to start adding the true time lost in a game.
2. Players who opt for the stretcher must stay off for fiv eminutes, teams are using this as a means to disrupt the flow of the game. Time for players to stop kicking the ball out, let the ref decide,exception where the injury is very serious (break,blood flowing ,unconscious or life threatening).
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