Athelstone

[Lilly Whites]

So Mr mahluf what happened at your game on Sunday, i read the score was 2-2 but someone wrote the correct score should have been 3-2 to Beograd...... What happened?

[mahluf]

very undermanned stones side had three players who had to play full games in both As and Bs and we were thrilled to get a point fron a very talented beograd side.
we even scored first. beograd equalised with a great goal from outside the area, then went ahead as we tired. we equalised with a great header from a corner.
five minutes from time, beograd had a goal disallowed after our linesman flagged for offside. was it offside? couldn't tell from where i was. but the linesman was certain, he is one of those that gives what he sees. often it is against us. which upsets our players. beograd players were sure it was a wrong decision and reacted accordingly.
disappointing for them to drop two points after a controversial decision, just before time. but i was proud of the way our boys fought for a point.

[Lilly Whites]

Cheers

[I Am Number Two]

but the linesman was certain, he is one of those that gives what he sees.

it was very obvious we disagreed with the decision... in all the time i've been with beograd, it is the first time our boys reacted like that. we felt we were absolutely robbed of 2 points and it got a bit out of control. our coach is one of the most composed people you will ever meet and he didn't take what happened very well at all... and it showed.

from what i saw standing just outside the box on the side opposite to your linesman, our player had his back turned towards the goal with a defender 'stuck' to his back. he received the ball, turned around and tapped it into the goal... we celebrated, as you do when you score a winning goal late in the game...
next thing i remember, the ball was already back in the middle... and suddenly one of your players (the sweeper) pointed to your linesman who had his flag up and thats when the ref disallowed the goal. i believe it was the wrong decision.

i have another comment to make regarding your linesman. i was playing on the left so i was facing the side your linesman was on the entire day. several times i saw him put up his flag for offside after our goal kicks. as far as my knowledge of football/soccer laws extends, that can't be offside... but i'm happy to be corrected.

[Optimus Prime 07]

i have another comment to make regarding your linesman. i was playing on the left so i was facing the side your linesman was on the entire day. several times i saw him put up his flag for offside after our goal kicks. as far as my knowledge of football/soccer laws extends, that can't be offside... but i'm happy to be corrected.[/quote]

Your players would only become offside if you are in an offside position in your attacking half and the ball is flicked on by one of your team. If the goalkick travels into your attacking half without being touched by another of your players, you would not be offside.... that is my understanding of the rule, so from what you claim about Athelstone's linesman, they clearly don't understand the rule on this one correctly. It happens often, it is amateurs remember and they are volunteers usually.

[Outlaw 2.0]

I would like to get Hawkesy's opinion on this one as i think there is a bit more to the rule than the basic offside rule.

[mahluf]

i have another comment to make regarding your linesman. i was playing on the left so i was facing the side your linesman was on the entire day. several times i saw him put up his flag for offside after our goal kicks. as far as my knowledge of football/soccer laws extends, that can't be offside... but i'm happy to be corrected.

Your players would only become offside if you are in an offside position in your attacking half and the ball is flicked on by one of your team. If the goalkick travels into your attacking half without being touched by another of your players, you would not be offside.... that is my understanding of the rule, so from what you claim about Athelstone's linesman, they clearly don't understand the rule on this one correctly. It happens often, it is amateurs remember and they are volunteers usually.[/quote]

i don;t want to get in a slanging match about linesmen, but your linesman kept giving us offside in our own half. when i pointed out his mistake he said , sorry i didn;t know. all our players act as linesman on a roster system. because of our shortage of numbers on sunday , our reserve coach was our linesman. he has played soccer at the highest level, and i can't imagine him making such a basic mistake.

[Outlaw 2.0]

I can apperciate that some people are either forced to run the line or want to run the line for something to do....... but linesman get slagged off enough and ear bashed enough when they know what they are doing. If someone does not know the rules they should NOT run the line. This has got to be one of the main reasons teams get annoyed and trouble starts we have had 2 linesman this year who genuinly DO NOT know the rules.

[I Am Number Two]

mahluf, not trying to get into a 'linesman slanging contest either'. but in this particular game, your linesman cost us the win. our linesman had no impact on the game whatsoever... to be honest i dont even know who he is. all i know is that he put his flag up when your players were offside, and didnt put it up when your players werent offside. i didnt hear a word of protest from your players against him the entire day.

the 'goal kick offside signal' did happen and i noticed the ref smiling a couple of times and signaling to your linesman to put the flag down.

optimus prime is correct in saying that if the ball is flicked on, then yes it is offside. this was not the case on the day... our keeper easily cleared the halfway line and the linesmans flag was up even before the ball landed.... clearly wrong.

i agree with some of the comments here though.... he is not paid for it... he is not a professional etc etc... mistakes are made by linesmen all the time... but a lot of the time these mistakes dont have an impact on the final result. this time the mistake had a significant impact (we should be 2nd on the table, not 4th) and i believe we do have a case to be a little bit numb about it... you need to understand that. i guess my worry is... was it an honest mistake or blatant cheating?

but as you said on the weekend, there is still a long way to go. we will meet twice more this season and hopefully the future results wont be decided by linesman/referee errors.

[LEGWEAK10]

just a question but why doesnt the referee ask the linesman individually before kick off to explain the offside rule to him then he would know if the linesman understands the rule or not?

[I Am Number Two]

just a question but why doesnt the referee ask the linesman individually before kick off to explain the offside rule to him then he would know if the linesman understands the rule or not?

Excellent idea!

[Big G]

just a question but why doesnt the referee ask the linesman individually before kick off to explain the offside rule to him then he would know if the linesman understands the rule or not?

and maybe ask them if they are blind or not

[To Mati]

I understand Athelstone lost a few players from last season, my question is did you guys recruit some new players to replace those, or did you have enough depth anyway?

[mahluf]

when i went to athelstone in 06 a whole new team joined. we won div 5 and all came back in 07. there was a huge disagreement, i left and the whole first team left and went to many different clubs. i'm back this year , we have a whole new team again, ten new players in the first team..

[To Mati]

when i went to athelstone in 06 a whole new team joined. we won div 5 and all came back in 07. there was a huge disagreement, i left and the whole first team left and went to many different clubs. i'm back this year , we have a whole new team again, ten new players in the first team..

well fark me drunk, im even more confused now.
So most of the first team left at the start of 2007 and did not play for most of that year, is that correct? What happened if you don't mind saying?

And I was wondering where exactly is your ground, is it the one directly adjacent to the Raggies (towards gorge rd) or is that pitch something else?

[Kitchimo]

when i went to athelstone in 06 a whole new team joined. we won div 5 and all came back in 07. there was a huge disagreement, i left and the whole first team left and went to many different clubs. i'm back this year , we have a whole new team again, ten new players in the first team..

well fark me drunk, im even more confused now.
So most of the first team left at the start of 2007 and did not play for most of that year, is that correct? What happened if you don't mind saying?

And I was wondering where exactly is your ground, is it the one directly adjacent to the Raggies (towards gorge rd) or is that pitch something else?

That pitch is Campbelltown Council owned, it's used by Norwood in the Collegiate League on Sundays from what I gather here.

Athelstone have arguably one of the best setups for an Amateur Club further up Lower Athelstone Rd on the left, two pitches and massive clubrooms. LUcky bastards!

[Missing Post Count]

i have another comment to make regarding your linesman. i was playing on the left so i was facing the side your linesman was on the entire day. several times i saw him put up his flag for offside after our goal kicks. as far as my knowledge of football/soccer laws extends, that can't be offside... but i'm happy to be corrected.

Your players would only become offside if you are in an offside position in your attacking half and the ball is flicked on by one of your team. If the goalkick travels into your attacking half without being touched by another of your players, you would not be offside.... that is my understanding of the rule, so from what you claim about Athelstone's linesman, they clearly don't understand the rule on this one correctly. It happens often, it is amateurs remember and they are volunteers usually.

Can't be offside on a goal kick.
Or a corner or throw in for that matter.

[ManicD]

I didn't realise you can't be offside directly from a goal kick... and I have run the line a fair number of times for the Stones.

As for the linesman roster concept, when your committee is spread over the roles of canteen, B's referee, match official etc, the linesman roster is the only way to ensure we even have someone there to do the job. While we would be happy for one or two to put their hand up to do it all year, in the absense of that its all we can do. That being said if it is clearly obvious that they don't know what they are doing we'll try to sub them out. No one wants a fight.

[mahluf]

when i went to athelstone in 06 a whole new team joined. we won div 5 and all came back in 07. there was a huge disagreement, i left and the whole first team left and went to many different clubs. i'm back this year , we have a whole new team again, ten new players in the first team..

well fark me drunk, im even more confused now.
So most of the first team left at the start of 2007 and did not play for most of that year, is that correct? What happened if you don't mind saying?

And I was wondering where exactly is your ground, is it the one directly adjacent to the Raggies (towards gorge rd) or is that pitch something else?

what happened? dispute between coach and a couple of committee members. coach left, players left, reserves stepped up to first team.
this season the two committee members left , committee asked coach back, coach returns , gets new team.
ground about 1km past raggies on left . where sign says athelstone reserve.

[Old Master]

Of course you can be off-side from a goal kick.
If you are 'interfering with play' - that is if the ball comes close to you - you are off-side.
Otherwise attacking players would be taking up positions in the penalty area!

Get yourself a copy of "The Laws of the Game".

[Missing Post Count]

Of course you can be off-side from a goal kick.
If you are 'interfering with play' - that is if the ball comes close to you - you are off-side.
Otherwise attacking players would be taking up positions in the penalty area!

Get yourself a copy of "The Laws of the Game".

You cannont be offside from a goalkick, corner or throw in dude.

[Missing Post Count]

Quote:

A goal may be scored directly from a goal kick, but only against the opposing side (i.e. an own goal may not be scored), in this case a corner kick to the opposing team is awarded. A player may not be penalised for being in an offside position direct from a goal kick.

[Missing Post Count]

http://www.phespirit.info/football/offside.htm

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

• a goal kick; or
• a throw-in; or
• a corner kick

[Missing Post Count]

http://www.offside-ref.co.uk/laws/11-of ... /detailed/

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:

• a goal kick; or
• a throw-in; or
• a corner kick

[Rob Lozza]

Of course you can be off-side from a goal kick.
If you are 'interfering with play' - that is if the ball comes close to you - you are off-side.
Otherwise attacking players would be taking up positions in the penalty area!

Get yourself a copy of "The Laws of the Game".

Clearly, you don't have a copy either. If you do, however, then have a read of Law 11.

[Hawkesy]

Of course you can be off-side from a goal kick.
If you are 'interfering with play' - that is if the ball comes close to you - you are off-side.
Otherwise attacking players would be taking up positions in the penalty area!

Get yourself a copy of "The Laws of the Game".

Clearly, you don't have a copy either. If you do, however, then have a read of Law 11.

I'm with Lozza on this one.

[Hawkesy]

I would like to get Hawkesy's opinion on this one as i think there is a bit more to the rule than the basic offside rule.

it has already been covered by others BUT you CANNOT be offside from a goal kick. I am sometimes amazed by how few players know this.

[Bomber]

Im still amazed at the amount of foul throws I see these days, and rarely called up - even in top leagues around the globe. Watching some of the ACL it was almost an epidemic!

[Outlaw 2.0]

so that would mean that a free kick is the only set play in which you can be off side from?? yes/no??

[Bomber]

Technically, not from a penalty either (speaking of "set" plays).