Why oh why?

Ronnie · Post by **Ronnie** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:22 pm

i think when it comes down to it, liverpool were the much better team on the night, and this had little to do with the sending off. liverpool dominated the match early, and the early tactics of getting at the slow lumpy materazzi worked perfectly, with him being sucked into two clumsy fouls to get himself sent off.

the way that liverpool played is not always the most attractive, often playing the ball around and holding possession making a number of half chances for the first 75 minutes and then unleashing stevie g to get at them and try to snatch a win late. this frustrates me to no end, and often means they only draw and sometimes lose in the league, but against the european teams it always seems to work.

liverpool have a solid as back line that give european teams who dont attack them no chance of penetrating the wall. even before the send off, carragher and hyypia (even though he is ageing and is slow as) gave inter nothing. i havent seen much serie a, but every time i see ibrahimovic in a euro cup game he dissapoints. carragher showed just how good he is this morning. i have seen a lot of you bag him out, and yeah he isnt the classiest player, but he would be in the first XI of any club team in the world.

liverpool rely too much on carragher, gerrard and torres, but they also seem to be able to get the most out of their own ability in big euro cup games. until they build their squad with at least another class striker and midfielder they wont press for domestic honours, but they will continue to impress in the euro cup

The one and only · Post by **The one and only** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:11 pm

every one could sit here and argue about which league is better ra ra ra the epl and the serie A are both great leagues cant we all just agree on that

Le King · Post by **Le King** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:07 pm

cause in the champions league u dun have 2 b consistant...
38 games is harder

ruud · Post by **ruud** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:46 pm

id take winning the CL over winning the domestic title any day

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:50 pm

Huntelaar wrote:id take winning the CL over winning the domestic title any day

And that is a major problem, when it was the European cup you had to win it or your domestic league to qualify for next season. You couldn't take your eye off the ball and rely on 4th spot.

sparrow · Post by **sparrow** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:13 pm

If you were to ask any neutrals that have no religious ties to either countries I'm sure a greater percentage will agree the EPL is the best in the world as a spectical. Nothing to do with marketing, just facts.
The EPL is a physical and attacking game which makes it great to watch. Seire A, well defensive, slow, theatrical and quite frankly, boring.

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:19 pm

sparrow wrote:If you were to ask any neutrals that have no religious ties to either countries I'm sure a greater percentage will agree the EPL is the best in the world as a spectical. Nothing to do with marketing, just facts.
The EPL is a physical and attacking game which makes it great to watch. Seire A, well defensive, slow, theatrical and quite frankly, boring.

how many Serie A matches have you seen?? Let me guess? 0

you want a physical, end to end match, theres a sport called Aussie rules you might like

and can any EPL fans explain why I today saw Man U fans in Liverpool scarves celebrating their victory over the scummy eyetalians

Im not celebrating Roma's win.

sparrow · Post by **sparrow** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:28 pm

how many Serie A matches have you seen?? Let me guess? 0

Quite a few, father in law's Italian. Makes me watch it everytime we visit. Fanatical Roma supporter. Has a plus side to it though, I manage to catch up on badly needed sleep.

I do love Aussie Rules too by the way

mattieg1200 · Post by **mattieg1200** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:18 pm

totsreds08 wrote:i dont think we are the greatest, im just over joyed at the fact we beat probli the in form team in the ucl..they havent lost in 29 i think but now we beat them..soz for enjoying my team winning..i didnt no it was a crime

hey mate..

did u get a pm from chelsea 91 sayin u were a dickwank lol.. and that im an arrogant bastard lol..

King Ledley · Post by **King Ledley** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:03 pm

Serie A >>>> EPL

Spanish Premiera>>>Serie A>>>>>EPL

Most of the EPL supporters don't watch much Serie A while the Italian supporters like myself watch both and can admit the Serie A is better in quailty

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:07 am

King Ledley wrote:Serie A >>>> EPL

Spanish Premiera>>>Serie A>>>>>EPL

Most of the EPL supporters don't watch much Serie A while the Italian supporters like myself watch both and can admit the Serie A is better in quailty

your best ever post apart from the Spanish part, cause Spanish is imo worst than EPL.

Serie A absolutely rips into all leagues.

The depth and quality of the league is unimaginable.

Why do we see teams like Derby and Reading struggle. They don't have the depth. Derby one year wonders. Reading fluked last year and will most likely go down. Wigan were extremely close to going down last year.

In Serie A that doesn't happen. Chievo, Messina and Ascoli were relegated from Serie A last season. Messina and Chievo had both been in the top flight for more than 4 years. Ascoli had been in the league 2 years. That shows that not one team that got promoted went down.

this season, obviously Juve won't go down but Napoli and Genoa have struggled at some point during their history but you don't see them going down at all.
Lazio finished 3rd last season after a massive point deduction. They are struggling to get into the top half of the table.

Why? Because the quality of the league is extremely good and every game is hard to get points.

Napoli lost at home to Empoli who are relegation strugglers.
That's like Portsmouth losing to Reading, which didn't happen.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:33 am

this topic still not dead, it's like a bad horror movie about the living dead without the titty scene.

England Div 1 best up until 85
Serie A from 85

However I fear the mantle is about to be handed back to the English, once the EPL weed themselves of the few remaining English players, coaches and owners.

ruud · Post by **ruud** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:51 am

97 wrote:this topic still not dead, it's like a bad horror movie about the living dead without the titty scene.

England Div 1 best up until 85
Serie A from 85

However I fear the mantle is about to be handed back to the English, once the EPL weed themselves of the few remaining English players, coaches and owners.

JUVE 11 · Post by **JUVE 11** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:50 am

marco ballotta wrote:
sparrow wrote:If you were to ask any neutrals that have no religious ties to either countries I'm sure a greater percentage will agree the EPL is the best in the world as a spectical. Nothing to do with marketing, just facts.
The EPL is a physical and attacking game which makes it great to watch. Seire A, well defensive, slow, theatrical and quite frankly, boring.
how many Serie A matches have you seen?? Let me guess? 0

you want a physical, end to end match, theres a sport called Aussie rules you might like

and can any EPL fans explain why I today saw Man U fans in Liverpool scarves celebrating their victory over the scummy eyetalians

Im not celebrating Roma's win.

Great Call Marco B !!!!!

The arguments in this topic illustrate perfectly why i get so pissed off at so called "Italians" that support English clubs.

As you said Marco B, the poms gang up on us "scummy italians" and celebrate their victories over us.
The poms criticize Serie A, they criticize our clubs, they criticize our supporters, They bag anything they can to degrade Italians and brag how great and superior their crappy EPL is. (and good luck to them, they can have their opinions, and they are only being Patriotic to their own country. I admire the pomy devotion to club and country)

THEN we have so called Italians on here that splash English club pictures all over their posts, and jump in the poms corner !! WTF !!!

No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)

# 9 · Post by **# 9** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:26 am

NEDVED 11 wrote:
marco ballotta wrote:
sparrow wrote:If you were to ask any neutrals that have no religious ties to either countries I'm sure a greater percentage will agree the EPL is the best in the world as a spectical. Nothing to do with marketing, just facts.
The EPL is a physical and attacking game which makes it great to watch. Seire A, well defensive, slow, theatrical and quite frankly, boring.
how many Serie A matches have you seen?? Let me guess? 0

you want a physical, end to end match, theres a sport called Aussie rules you might like

and can any EPL fans explain why I today saw Man U fans in Liverpool scarves celebrating their victory over the scummy eyetalians

Im not celebrating Roma's win.
Great Call Marco B !!!!!

The arguments in this topic illustrate perfectly why i get so pissed off at so called "Italians" that support English clubs.

As you said Marco B, the poms gang up on us "scummy italians" and celebrate their victories over us.
The poms criticize Serie A, they criticize our clubs, they criticize our supporters, They bag anything they can to degrade Italians and brag how great and superior their crappy EPL is. (and good luck to them, they can have their opinions, and they are only being Patriotic to their own country. I admire the pomy devotion to club and country)

THEN we have so called Italians on here that splash English club pictures all over their posts, and jump in the poms corner !! WTF !!!

No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)

HAHA and you say this with your name as nedved

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:26 am

NEDVED 11 wrote:No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)

I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win.

Obviously not
real man u fans.

# 9 · Post by **# 9** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:27 am

Hawkesy wrote:
NEDVED 11 wrote:No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)
I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win. Obviously not
real man u fans.

maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:31 am

Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:
NEDVED 11 wrote:No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)
I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win. Obviously not
real man u fans.
maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side

that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.

# 9 · Post by **# 9** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:32 am

Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:
NEDVED 11 wrote:No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)
I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win. Obviously not
real man u fans.
maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side
that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.

so where does your loyalties lie rigoni? arsenal or serie a?

pires7 · Post by **pires7** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:33 am

Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:
NEDVED 11 wrote:No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)
I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win. Obviously not
real man u fans.
maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side
that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.

trust me they don't, well not the english ones who all live outside manchester anyway

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:35 am

Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:
NEDVED 11 wrote:No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)
I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win. Obviously not
real man u fans.
maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side
that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.
so where does your loyalties lie rigoni? arsenal or serie a?

Serie C1.

Pescara is my team in Italia. We play in the equivilant to League One.

My favourite league is Serie B. We have been prodominately in that league for most of our history, so hopefully we get back into it next year. Serie B is fucken quality.

# 9 · Post by **# 9** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:37 am

Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:
NEDVED 11 wrote:No Englishman would ever brag about going for an Italian club (and good on him)
I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win. Obviously not
real man u fans.
maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side
that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.
so where does your loyalties lie rigoni? arsenal or serie a?
Serie C1.

Pescara is my team in Italia. We play in the equivilant to League One.

My favourite league is Serie B. We have been prodominately in that league for most of our history, so hopefully we get back into it next year. Serie B is shiraz quality.

serie b is nothin compared to the quality of the championship. enough said

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:39 am

Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Hawkesy wrote: I go for venezia, or is it lazio, or is it Inter.

Trying to be sensible here. If you follow italian football your answer will be seria a, if you follow English football it will be the premier League.

As a wise man once said "never argue religion or politics (or whether seria a is better than the premier league).

As for man u fans celebrating liverpool's win. Obviously not
real man u fans.
maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side
that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.
so where does your loyalties lie rigoni? arsenal or serie a?
Serie C1.

Pescara is my team in Italia. We play in the equivilant to League One.

My favourite league is Serie B. We have been prodominately in that league for most of our history, so hopefully we get back into it next year. Serie B is shiraz quality.
serie b is nothin compared to the quality of the championship. enough said

that just shows your general knowledge of football then.

I've watched both regularly and sometimes the Championship games slip to the level of A-League with the long balls, poor touches, terrible mistakes etc.

Serie B is so strong. Technical, physical, fast and quality to watch.

Baggio15, do you have any highlights/goals that can be posted of Serie B??

even if it's Juve or anyone else from last year. Lets put this topic to bed.

pires7 · Post by **pires7** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:42 am

Juve had a few WC winners playing for them last year though

# 9 · Post by **# 9** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:42 am

Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote: maybe, but its good to see them sticking up for the english side
that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.
so where does your loyalties lie rigoni? arsenal or serie a?
Serie C1.

Pescara is my team in Italia. We play in the equivilant to League One.

My favourite league is Serie B. We have been prodominately in that league for most of our history, so hopefully we get back into it next year. Serie B is shiraz quality.
serie b is nothin compared to the quality of the championship. enough said
that just shows your general knowledge of football then.

I've watched both regularly and sometimes the Championship games slip to the level of A-League with the long balls, poor touches, terrible mistakes etc.

Serie B is so strong. Technical, physical, fast and quality to watch.

Baggio15, do you have any highlights/goals that can be posted of Serie B??

even if it's Juve or anyone else from last year. Lets put this topic to bed.

well thats a joke and a half. the championship showcases englands best upcoming talent, formers legends and suprise superstars. its its faster then the premier league, and there is alot more pride to play for. if you want to see quality goals and skill the championship is it. not the serie b

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:45 am

pires7 wrote:Juve had a few WC winners playing for them last year though

i did say others as well.

You have to remember, Juve also didn't totally destroy the league either. Everyone thought Juve would coast to the title.

They didn't and that shows the depth and quality of Serie B.

my team Pescara, who finished bottom only lost to Juve 1-0 and 2-0 home and away.

Juve were beaten by teams like Spezia who survived with a play-out, Mantova, Brescia etc.

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:47 am

Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote: that's where the argument is lost for you guys.

In Italia Milan fans hate Inter and don't want them to succeed.
While Man USA fans want liverpoo to beat a team of a different nationality.
so where does your loyalties lie rigoni? arsenal or serie a?
Serie C1.

Pescara is my team in Italia. We play in the equivilant to League One.

My favourite league is Serie B. We have been prodominately in that league for most of our history, so hopefully we get back into it next year. Serie B is shiraz quality.
serie b is nothin compared to the quality of the championship. enough said
that just shows your general knowledge of football then.

I've watched both regularly and sometimes the Championship games slip to the level of A-League with the long balls, poor touches, terrible mistakes etc.

Serie B is so strong. Technical, physical, fast and quality to watch.

Baggio15, do you have any highlights/goals that can be posted of Serie B??

even if it's Juve or anyone else from last year. Lets put this topic to bed.
well thats a joke and a half. the championship showcases englands best upcoming talent, formers legends and suprise superstars. its its faster then the premier league, and there is alot more pride to play for. if you want to see quality goals and skill the championship is it. not the serie b

this argument will go all day.
so i'm not gonna keep going cause i don't want to waste my team with it.

I've watched both and so i think i'm in the best position to answer.
you haven't watched Serie B so i can't take your argument seriously.

# 9 · Post by **# 9** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:47 am

Rigoni 10 wrote:
pires7 wrote:Juve had a few WC winners playing for them last year though
i did say others as well.

You have to remember, Juve also didn't totally destroy the league either. Everyone thought Juve would coast to the title.

They didn't and that shows the depth and quality of Serie B.

my team Pescara, who finished bottom only lost to Juve 1-0 and 2-0 home and away.

Juve were beaten by teams like Spezia who survived with a play-out, Mantova, Brescia etc.

juve didnt have the greastes team last season either, lost alot of players and got alot of second rate players in

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:50 am

Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
pires7 wrote:Juve had a few WC winners playing for them last year though
i did say others as well.

You have to remember, Juve also didn't totally destroy the league either. Everyone thought Juve would coast to the title.

They didn't and that shows the depth and quality of Serie B.

my team Pescara, who finished bottom only lost to Juve 1-0 and 2-0 home and away.

Juve were beaten by teams like Spezia who survived with a play-out, Mantova, Brescia etc.
juve didnt have the greastes team last season either, lost alot of players and got alot of second rate players in

another un-educated comment.

Buffon, Zebina, Del Piero, Trezeguet, Nedved, Camoranesi, Chiellini, Birindelli, Zanetti, Palladino and Nocerino all top class players who are definitely of Serie A quality that all had a major part in Juve's squad last season.

Rising stars like Palladino and Nocerino were made better players cause they played seasons of Serie B.

# 9 · Post by **# 9** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:50 am

Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote:
Rigoni 10 wrote:
Best Of 3 Worlds wrote: so where does your loyalties lie rigoni? arsenal or serie a?
Serie C1.

Pescara is my team in Italia. We play in the equivilant to League One.

My favourite league is Serie B. We have been prodominately in that league for most of our history, so hopefully we get back into it next year. Serie B is shiraz quality.
serie b is nothin compared to the quality of the championship. enough said
that just shows your general knowledge of football then.

I've watched both regularly and sometimes the Championship games slip to the level of A-League with the long balls, poor touches, terrible mistakes etc.

Serie B is so strong. Technical, physical, fast and quality to watch.

Baggio15, do you have any highlights/goals that can be posted of Serie B??

even if it's Juve or anyone else from last year. Lets put this topic to bed.
well thats a joke and a half. the championship showcases englands best upcoming talent, formers legends and suprise superstars. its its faster then the premier league, and there is alot more pride to play for. if you want to see quality goals and skill the championship is it. not the serie b
this argument will go all day.
so i'm not gonna keep going cause i don't want to waste my team with it.

I've watched both and so i think i'm in the best position to answer.
you haven't watched Serie B so i can't take your argument seriously.

and you obviosly havent watched as much championship games nessecary to give a logical CORRECT answer. the championship was voted the closest comp to its top league.