Barney Rubble wrote:Calcio & Silent P, you are both right and others need to look at the REAL reasons these players may be coming down,
1. Poor form, need to re-gain confidence.
2. Discipline.
3. New players signed up in age group above.
4. Club policies.
5. Need an 'easier' game to play after coming back from an injury.
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27. Geez we have to beat this team 'cause they're top
Had to put that one in there as we all know it exists.
Sorry Barney
You forgot the big one at this time of year...
1. Need to bolster the lower side to win games to stay in A Grade.....and have their regular players sit on the bench....
[quote="SILENT P"]Yes Barney, no.27 does exist but it is not cheating if the players are eligible.
Let there be no middle ground....it is NOT cheating.....but is it the best thing to do?
In other sports their are very good rules that allow you to cover off some of the "real" reasons....like only playing one competitive game in a day....once you have played a certain number of games in a higher age group not being able to drop back....
The FFSA need to look at these things and consider what is genuinely best for Juniors (particularly the younger age groups).
I personally don't agree with players dropping if they don't need to but I know our club has done it because our team has been depleted and we have had some players coming back from long term injuries so they need to get game time. I think it is unfair on the original squad members.
SILENT P wrote:I personally don't agree with players dropping if they don't need to but I know our club has done it because our team has been depleted and we have had some players coming back from long term injuries so they need to get game time. I think it is unfair on the original squad members.
They are good reasons....but sadly the complaints on here are not about those situations....perhaps the 3 game rule.....and if you are dropped for form you wouldn't be playing 2 games in the one day....you would need to get your form back....
There is no justification for playing 2 games in one day....if you are short of players you just pull from the team below!
fb4e wrote:u/17a's South Adelaide 3 def 2 metrostars
south had 4 seniors playing in that game, even though they are age eligible, it is plain cheating
So which rule was broken ?
Cheating is where players play under an assumed name and are actually overage.
Scheduling games during school holidays also needs to be considered
“Walk on water? I know most people out there will be saying that instead of walking on it, I should have taken more of it with my drinks. They are absolutely right .”-Bryan Clough
SILENT P wrote:I don't know if it happens in the lower age groups but I was talking about U19 players down to U17.
Under 19/17 is different in my view to Under 12/13. These kids are getting all the wrong messages when they have to sit on the bench while kids are dropped down purely to win games. If they are not good enough they shouldn't have been picked in the first place!
SILENT P wrote:I don't know if it happens in the lower age groups but I was talking about U19 players down to U17.
it does happen at lower age groups u12&13 does is where i think it is unfair on the kids who have played all year then get droped to save games.i thought we had to develope players to play pressure games so they can learn from it .whats the good in dropping players when it comes to hard games what have they learnt.automatically the rest of the squad keeps on relieying on the other kids to come through for them.the clubs are going backwards not forwards.are the junior coaches their for the kids to develop and learn to win or are they their for themselves to look good
SILENT P wrote:I don't know if it happens in the lower age groups but I was talking about U19 players down to U17.
it does happen at lower age groups u12&13 does is where i think it is unfair on the kids who have played all year then get droped to save games.i thought we had to develope players to play pressure games so they can learn from it .whats the good in dropping players when it comes to hard games what have they learnt.automatically the rest of the squad keeps on relieying on the other kids to come through for them.the clubs are going backwards not forwards.are the junior coaches their for the kids to develop and learn to win or are they their for themselves to look good
I agree with what you are saying eagles but I don't think you can really blame the coaches.....it is usually the clubs wanting to win at all costs and parents who don't accept that dropping to B grade is OK if the coach is good and trying to develop a team!
never ends with this dropping players shite...its no cheating, not always the right thing but sometimes is...like for example a 19s player that sat on the bench all game..come down n play 17s on sunday to get match fitness...there is nothing wrong with that...but i am against dropping players to win...so changing the rules would mean that we would also lose what is right in dropping players...
also does it then mean that if a player moves up to fill in for an injured player or whatever that he cannot be moved back into his age group when the player returns ?
Where you finish in U17 has no bearing on next years grading, so moving players not always about winning
“Walk on water? I know most people out there will be saying that instead of walking on it, I should have taken more of it with my drinks. They are absolutely right .”-Bryan Clough
Nothing is easy in this game that our kids all love it is a funny old world. Soccer world that is.
But i tend to agree bring the kids from below and give them the chance to play in a higher age!!!
Not saying they have, But have Playford being droping players. It seem's weird that they could'nt win at the start of the year now they have 5 win's in a row.
U17
Club Name - UNDER 17A P W D L GF GA GD Points
Adelaide City 16 11 3 2 41 15 26 36
Adelaide Hills 18 11 3 4 47 33 14 36
MetroStars 16 9 3 4 33 21 12 30
Para Hills 17 8 3 6 30 22 8 27
W. T. Birkalla 17 7 4 6 31 27 4 25
Campbelltown 18 7 3 8 42 37 5 24
Cumberland 16 6 4 6 29 25 4 22
Playford 18 7 1 10 31 49 -18 22
Croydon 17 4 5 8 27 35 -8 17
Panthers 16 5 1 10 24 29 -5 16
Western Strikers 17 4 3 10 22 41 -19 15
Modbury 16 4 3 9 19 42 -23 15
No chance in U17s of winning title and next years grading not based on U17 results. Chance of taking out U19s as 5 pts behind with game in hand
“Walk on water? I know most people out there will be saying that instead of walking on it, I should have taken more of it with my drinks. They are absolutely right .”-Bryan Clough
Mean Machine wrote:Not saying they have, But have Playford being droping players. It seem's weird that they could'nt win at the start of the year now they have 5 win's in a row.
Could be just they have a good coach and have improved...I know my sons team in a much lower division have improved out of sight compared to other teams...
Mean Machine wrote:Not saying they have, But have Playford being droping players. It seem's weird that they could'nt win at the start of the year now they have 5 win's in a row.
If you are in that div and have played Playford twice, your team manager might compare the team sheets for you for an answer to that...
eagles wrote:it does happen at lower age groups u12&13 does is where i think it is unfair on the kids who have played all year then get droped to save games...
...and it can sometimes have the wrong result. Last weekend, South Adelaide seemed to drop players down to their U12 SW2 team's catch up game for a chance at top of the table against Cobras. The two teams played the previous week and the score was 0:0, but with the "better" players South lost 4:0. So well said, eagles - not only is it unfair in the younger age groups, but the pressure and the disruption can also have the wrong result for the team.
Mean Machine wrote:Not saying they have, But have Playford being droping players. It seem's weird that they could'nt win at the start of the year now they have 5 win's in a row.
hey mean machine, playford have had the same team all year,yes we couldnt win to save ourselves and have won five in a row, but you have to look at our start of the season,we only had the bare 11 players for the first month, against adelaide city we only had 9 and grabbed two under 16s that were waiting for their game to start. Then when we did have a full squad, we gave away silly goals, then dropped our heads. we have had 1 kid sit on the bench for us from our under 19s (for 1 game only, our coach hates doing this) and he could still play U16s. We are now playing to our potential. We normally bring up U16s to fill in.
Mean Machine wrote:Not saying they have, But have Playford being droping players. It seem's weird that they could'nt win at the start of the year now they have 5 win's in a row.
hey mean machine, playford have had the same team all year,yes we couldnt win to save ourselves and have won five in a row, but you have to look at our start of the season,we only had the bare 11 players for the first month, against adelaide city we only had 9 and grabbed two under 16s that were waiting for their game to start. Then when we did have a full squad, we gave away silly goals, then dropped our heads. we have had 1 kid sit on the bench for us from our under 19s (for 1 game only, our coach hates doing this) and he could still play U16s. We are now playing to our potential. We normally bring up U16s to fill in.
oh mean machine served to like highest degree of serving =P
