droping players to win

eagles · Post by **eagles** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:50 pm

it is sad to see teams dropping players down an age group to win games when it has no bearing on the ladder.
i saw a team today play at the best of thier abillty to win and they held this team until the oppisite team decided to field players from a age group above them they ended up winning .i thought we were hear to develop young kids ,not destroy them

rabbit · Post by **rabbit** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:00 pm

eagles wrote:it is sad to see teams dropping players down an age group to win games when it has no bearing on the ladder.
i saw a team today play at the best of thier abillty to win and they held this team until the oppisite team decided to field players from a age group above them they ended up winning .i thought we were hear to develop young kids ,not destroy them

Singing an old tune unfortunately mate. Only the Clubs and more importantly the Federation can stop this happening EVERY week.

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:01 pm

What club eagles.

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:05 pm

It is the clubs that want this not the federation....the rule at the start of the season was that you could only play one game but the clubs complained and it was changed to allow players to do this. The sad reality is that it is a win at all costs mentality that is only there because players will choose to move from a club that gets dropped to B grade in order to play A grade!

rabbit · Post by **rabbit** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:10 pm

Hollygirl wrote:It is the clubs that want this not the federation....the rule at the start of the season was that you could only play one game but the clubs complained and it was changed to allow players to do this. The sad reality is that it is a win at all costs mentality that is only there because players will choose to move from a club that gets dropped to B grade in order to play A grade!

Do the Federation make the rules or are they set by the Clubs? No sarcasm here...just asking

LUFC_#9 · Post by **LUFC_#9** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:17 pm

yea very annoying when u play a club earlier and you see many new players 2 weeks later from higher ages,

corona · Post by **corona** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:45 pm

old tune this , but once again clubs can and will do this , its allowed . so no point starting this topic every two to three weeks .

ZZZZ · Post by **ZZZZ** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:44 pm

corona wrote:old tune this , but once again clubs can and will do this , its allowed . so no point starting this topic every two to three weeks .

yeh true but some clubs do it a bit and at the higher age levels but there are clubs that do it at the u12-u13 level alot especially dropping a's to b's and they strt at this time of the year depending on where their teams are positioned on the ladders . pity they didnt have an a- league team they might have won sat nite.

liverpool_08 · Post by **liverpool_08** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:51 pm

liverpool_08 · Post by **liverpool_08** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:52 pm

eagles wrote:it is sad to see teams dropping players down an age group to win games when it has no bearing on the ladder.
i saw a team today play at the best of thier abillty to win and they held this team until the oppisite team decided to field players from a age group above them they ended up winning .i thought we were hear to develop young kids ,not destroy them

who said dropping players would make u win?

soccer mum · Post by **soccer mum** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:54 pm

Yes it might be an old subject but is verry annoying to those kids that pay the same money and have to sit off while the kids drop down so teams can win not fair to the kids that are there every week.

Old news it might be but how to fix it is the Question??????

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:55 pm

The reality is, it is not about developing players, it is about putting together winning teams. You can be the worlds greatest coach but the pressure is on to win games and be in the A grade not to develop and improve. Everyone needs to take some responsibility for this. Question....do you have your child play for a club whose team is in the B grade who have a wonderful coach that will teach and develop or the team that is in the A grade who abuses the kids and has a win at all cost mentality? Answer honestly....

soccer mum · Post by **soccer mum** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:03 pm

:? Hollygirl I know all kids and coaches want to win and so do Parents but at what cost and what are we teaching younger kids it all seems to be getting all to serious at such young ages

I dont think there is any thing wrong in a B side some times kids have a off season and all kids develope at different rates at least if clubs have B sides kids have somewhere to go if not quite good enough for the A

It should be about the love of the game and Development not A & B

theone · Post by **theone** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:10 pm

There is also the other side to consider for some clubs a squad of 14, 1 breaks his arm, 1 in hospital for 6 weeks others sick and go overseas with 10 players what are they supposed to do they have to bring players up or down.

What should happen though is that if a player plays up/down more than 3 times then they can no longer play for that time without permission from FFSA. That way they could only be used when actually required due to sickness etc

rabbit · Post by **rabbit** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:27 pm

theone wrote:There is also the other side to consider for some clubs a squad of 14, 1 breaks his arm, 1 in hospital for 6 weeks others sick and go overseas with 10 players what are they supposed to do they have to players bring up or down.

What should happen though is that if a player plays up/down more than 3 times then they can no longer play for that time without permission from FFSA. That way they could only be used when actually required due to sickness etc

There is the answer in your own question.

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:21 pm

theone wrote:There is also the other side to consider for some clubs a squad of 14, 1 breaks his arm, 1 in hospital for 6 weeks others sick and go overseas with 10 players what are they supposed to do they have to bring players up or down.

What should happen though is that if a player plays up/down more than 3 times then they can no longer play for that time without permission from FFSA. That way they could only be used when actually required due to sickness etc

I believe this is an excellent solution and one which happens in a number of sports...in addition I don't know any other sport that allows players to play more than one competitive game in a day....

Hollygirl · Post by **Hollygirl** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:38 pm

soccer mum wrote::? Hollygirl I know all kids and coaches want to win and so do Parents but at what cost and what are we teaching younger kids it all seems to be getting all to serious at such young ages

I dont think there is any thing wrong in a B side some times kids have a off season and all kids develope at different rates at least if clubs have B sides kids have somewhere to go if not quite good enough for the A

It should be about the love of the game and Development not A & B

I agree with you soccer mum....without wanting to be sexist I think the issue is often the soccer dads.....there are very few that will choose the developmental coach in a B side they would rather see their child in an A side. This means that clubs will push to "win at all costs" to see their teams in the A grade.....maybe zones would be an option...

eggplantpopodopalosthe3rd · Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:18 pm

I have to agree with u guys but as younger players grow up and become better at the game, the enjoyment of the game decreases and the hunger and passion to just win comes in. Nobody once to lose big games these days so if dropping a player who is eleigible to play or even promoting younger players is needed than by all means the coach should do it on that given day and NOT ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!

citynumeruno · Post by **citynumeruno** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:17 am

we always drop players to win. thats why in the tough matchs we have came on top. i bet ya we aint the only team that does it.

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:39 pm

citynumeruno wrote:we always drop players to win. thats why in the tough matchs we have came on top. i bet ya we aint the only team that does it.

Well there you go

eagles · Post by **eagles** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:21 pm

citynumeruno wrote:we always drop players to win. thats why in the tough matchs we have came on top. i bet ya we aint the only team that does it.

well its teams like yours that stuff up the whole system
for everybody else

liverpool_08 · Post by **liverpool_08** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:11 pm

eagles wrote:
citynumeruno wrote:we always drop players to win. thats why in the tough matchs we have came on top. i bet ya we aint the only team that does it.
well its teams like yours that stuff up the whole system
for everybody else

agree......

1deRun · Post by **1deRun** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:14 pm

That's why Adel City are doing so well in the league. (Unlucky they can't do that in the Semi Final's against Modbury)

liverpool_08 · Post by **liverpool_08** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:58 pm

Mean Machine wrote:That's why Adel City are doing so well in the league. (Unlucky they can't do that in the Semi Final's against Modbury)

u might be able to win this on then mean machine!

and there we go with the bold again!

lmao.....

of war · Post by **of war** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:07 pm

my team played one match agaisnt the Toros and they had players from a higher league that had a red card from the match b4! so they brought down 2 good players...we ended up drawing with them 4-4...recently we played them again...funily enough without the 2 good players and we won 6-1!!!

fb4e · Post by **fb4e** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:05 pm

u/17a's South Adelaide 3 def 2 metrostars

south had 4 seniors playing in that game, even though they are age eligible, it is plain cheating

Calcio · Post by **Calcio** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:27 pm

If the players brought down are the same age with the team they are playing, well so be it. I think a bit of competition and challenge is great as long as the age is right after checking the Registration cards of course.

SILENT P · Post by **SILENT P** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:04 am

I am sick of this crap about dropping players is cheating!! If they are age eligible it is not cheating, what is the difference between a player going down or up??

Barney Rubble · Post by **Barney Rubble** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:23 am

Calcio & Silent P, you are both right and others need to look at the REAL reasons these players may be coming down,

1. Poor form, need to re-gain confidence.
2. Discipline.
3. New players signed up in age group above.
4. Club policies.
5. Need an 'easier' game to play after coming back from an injury.
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.
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27. Geez we have to beat this team 'cause they're top

Had to put that one in there as we all know it exists.

SILENT P · Post by **SILENT P** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:40 am

Yes Barney, no.27 does exist but it is not cheating if the players are eligible.

My question 2 people who think it is cheating, what is the difference if you call a U16 player who is outstanding and call him up to play for the U17 team? Is he not replacing an existing squad player? Is that classified as cheating??

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