Pumas V Gullys 17th June

[cafe primos]

what ever you thought about the game goes here.

[BULLDOG]

turn the light off when you leave this topic.

and make sure the cat's been put out.

[feckingexpert]

i've left the porch light on just incase anyone returns

and i can't find the cat just hope she not locked in

[Schevvy]

Puma's ended up being too good in a game that was palyed in a highly competitively spirit. TTG were not aloud to play their passing / running game. Gullies under estimated the Puma's big time and paid for it.

It was unfortunate that spectators from both sides had to invade the pitch with only 5 mins to go. Other than that it was a great win to the Puma's.

[robinfriday10]

schevvy your comments on the game were correct except to say your supporters (reserve players) were attacking and ours were supporting( protecting) to see it any other way is way wrong!!!

[plans]

schevvy your comments on the game were correct except to say your supporters (reserve players) were attacking and ours were supporting( protecting) to see it any other way is way wrong!!!

Attacking who?
If you and yours cannot deal with the to-and-fro verbal banter that is commonly known as supporter rivalry then perhaps you are best watching a broadcast game from the comfort and security of your loungeroom.

The Pumas supporters were undoubtedly outnumbered 3:1, did what they have to say really intimidate you and hurt your feelings that much?

As can be seen by the "Cafe Primo" ethnic slander thrown at our players and supporters, and the way that it was immediately laughed off and turned around to be a joke..... I dare say that you and your expressed opinion are nothing but "way wrong".

and Protecting who?
Are you referring to the way that the significant majority of Gully faithful gleefully welcomed the opportunity to en-masse stream onto the pitch and physically protect your players from the two Pumas supporters who wrongfully invaded the game.

[robinfriday10]

wrongfully invaded the pitch. says it all i suppose. verbal banter isnt running onto the pitch to start a brawl.

[plans]

wrongfully invaded the pitch. says it all i suppose. verbal banter isnt running onto the pitch to start a brawl.

So, validate your comments about who was 'attacking' and who was 'defending'.

[robinfriday10]

your spectators attacking our players
our spectators defending(protecting) our players

[olympiakos]

no one attacked anybody, it was handbags

[topcorner]

The two "fans" tried to cause trouble in the B's also, if anything they were the ones that couldn't handle the banter between the two sets of supporters! The Gully supporters were right to defend the players but were stupid in entering the field of play as were the two Puma fans!!

[Shaken Not Stirred]

Unfortunately for this situation, although a Puma supporter ran onto the pitch and further provoked the scuffle, the TTG supporters did themselves no favours by running on the pitch to further fuel the situation, to set it straight I would have done the same thing as the Gully supporters. Given both supporter invaded the pitch and if the incident happened after 70% or 75% of the game was played, I can't help but see the league giving the game to the team that was winning. I think the game was abandoned because of the mass invasion, generally if one supporter invades the pitch providing he is controlled quickly the game usually carries on, I have been involved in a few occasions where this has happened.

Real shame though, for all we know the Gully could have scored 3 cracking goal in 10 minutes to win the game, stranger things have happened. PH West did it too us a few years back in the cup.

[plans]

your spectators attacking our players
our spectators defending(protecting) our players

and that is where it finished?

you forgot to add:

Gully players and supporters attacking Pumas spectators who were attempting to remove the offending duo, so that the game could hopefully continue.

As was stated in the results thread, a Puma's official was tackled and could be heard shouting "I'm with you!" ie... lets diffuse this.

[topcorner]

robinfriday10 wrote:
your spectators attacking our players
our spectators defending(protecting) our players


and that is where it finished?

you forgot to add:

Gully players and supporters attacking Pumas spectators who were attempting to remove the offending duo, so that the game could hopefully continue.

As was stated in the results thread, a Puma's official was tackled and could be heard shouting "I'm with you!" ie... lets diffuse this.

Where are you getting this information from?? The person shouting "im with you" was when one of the gully supporters was dragged to the floor by one of the TTG players!

[plans]

The Gully supporters were right to defend the players but were stupid in entering the field of play as were the two Puma fans!!

What gives supporters the obligation and right to defend the players?

Agreed this applies to both sides.

I think everybody would have been happy to see the players sort the altercation out between them, under the guidance of the referee who was fantastic all day.

[plans]

The person shouting "im with you" was when one of the gully supporters was dragged to the floor by one of the TTG players!

Now that is laughable

[topcorner]

The Gully supporters were right to defend the players but were stupid in entering the field of play as were the two Puma fans!!

What gives supporters the obligation and right to defend the players?

Agreed this applies to both sides.

I think everybody would have been happy to see the players sort the altercation out between them, under the guidance of the referee who was fantastic all day.

Fantastic :? I wouldn't say fantastic, he made less errors than the normal sunday league referees! Sure the players should have dealt with the altercation themselves but as soon as the two Puma "fans" started to attack our players, the Gully supporters instincts were to protect their players!!

[plans]

Fantastic :? I wouldn't say fantastic, he made less errors than the normal sunday league referees! Sure the players should have dealt with the altercation themselves but as soon as the two Puma "fans" started to attack our players, the Gully supporters instincts were to protect their players!!

Fantastic in that he let the game flow, and in that was conducive towards the skill levels able to be displayed by both teams during numerous uninterrupted passages of play.

Acting upon instict is not a defence nor justification, again for both team's camps.

[silver fox]

Can i ask what action the Pumas are going to take against the Two THUGS that started the trouble that led to the match being abandoned.....Becouse unlike most of the pumas first team I was there watching the 2nd team game and the same THUGS were " playing "Or rather running around trying to fight every one when things didn't go there way................I cant condone what happened in the 1st team game but its strange that the same person was involved in all the major problems in both games. As a club how can they allow THUGS like this to represent them. They let every one at the club down. It looked as if their team were going to pull off an unlikely win only for every thing to be spoilt by a brainless thug with jack russel syndrome. If this result stands all the league are saying to Teams that are struggling in the league is that if you are winning with 15 mins to go get your Supporters to invade the pitch and get the game abandoned...3 points in the bag!!! With PLAYERS like this your club will always struggle on and of the pitch. As a parent I wouldn't want my son involved with a club that allows this type of thing to happen. PUMAS the best thing you can do is get rid of these animals.

[cafe primos]

The Gully supporters were right to defend the players but were stupid in entering the field of play as were the two Puma fans!!

What gives supporters the obligation and right to defend the players?

Agreed this applies to both sides.

I think everybody would have been happy to see the players sort the altercation out between them, under the guidance of the referee who was fantastic all day.

Fantastic :? I wouldn't say fantastic, he made less errors than the normal sunday league referees! Sure the players should have dealt with the altercation themselves but as soon as the two Puma "fans" started to attack our players, the Gully supporters instincts were to protect their players!!

protect there players?? they didn't even do that. they didnt protect the players they rqan on the field and got attacked by there players .

[mackem in blue]

[Ronnie#10]

maybe i should quit playing and go to all the gully games and invade the pitch with a few mates wearing gully polo tops so they dont take a point for the rest of the year .

on a serious note though i wasnt going to post anything here as i wasnt aware of what happened but after being informed and hearing that the two players that invaded the pitch from the pumas were exactly that, players.

all clubs have idiot fans that do stupid things but if it is reserve players doing it then the club must take full responsibility and lose all points regardless of the scoreline. it is only with a zero tolerance policy that the amateur league will be able to stamp out this kind off shite. which is to say the least of the fact that the pumas were up at the time, what the f*** were they thinking?

i love seeing the gullies lose but happen to know enough people at the club to know that theyre fans are NOT feral and would not start that kind of rubbish unless it was instigated by the other team. watched vista v gully LOCAL DERBY that was heated but never looked like that kind of shite was ever going to happen.

take responsibilty pumas, if you keep di**head people like that at your club expect to wear the consequences. as previously stated id love to see the gullies go without a point but a replay at headquarters seems only fair at the least.

have witnessed ronnie 10 get belted a few seasons ago by a spectator who found it necessary to run on the pitch and act like a pratt, i think its disgracefull.

PLANS, you are a complete knob if you think that spectators from a club wouldnt RIGHTFULLY DEFEND their players at their home ground.

I wasent aware that the person that run onto the pitch was a player from the B's side untill after all the shit had died off. Apparently according to some of our B's players the same guy was acting like a tool in the B's game aswell which didn't surprise me.

I feel the league needs to have a zero tolerance aswell to stop this shite from happening. They'll keep getting away with it if the league just gives the points to whoever's winning at the time.

I think the reply is only fair aswell but im sure we'll have to hound the league week in, week out to get any answer on what's happening for sure.

So which time were you thinking about when i got belted there's been a few times that i can remember.

Agreed offcourse home spectators are going to run onto the pitch to defend their players. Plans u honestly think this would'nt happen you can't be serious if so!

[mackem in blue]

[plans]

PLANS, you are a complete knob if you think that spectators from a club wouldnt RIGHTFULLY DEFEND their players at their home ground.

Agreed offcourse home spectators are going to run onto the pitch to defend their players. Plans u honestly think this would'nt happen you can't be serious if so![/.quote]


Am I reading correctly that these statements disagree with mine that I disapproved of the incident from start to finish, and that NONE of it is substantiated?

I am not supporting the actions of the two Pumas, and it would seem that both of you seem to think it reasonable for "spectators to protect players."

[mackem in blue]

[plans]

How about YOU keep YOUR spectators spectating mate, its a simple f***ing concept to understand. if you are unable to do so dont expect the opposition fans to sit back and watch their players get hit, they will try an help like all fans would if their players were being attacked. its about NOT instigating the fight and doing the right thing in the first place and staying on the sidelines. had YOUR 2 reserves players not ran on it would never have happened because the gully fans werent about to run on and attack your players i know enough people at the club to know that thats not what theyre like. simple.

Agreed.... for 98% of your statement.

It is nobody's perogative to invade the pitch - be they the instigator or acting in response to the instigator(s).

[silver fox]

It is nobody's perogative to invade the pitch - be they the instigator or acting in response to the instigator

(s). Planes you seem to be the only one from the pumas with any thing to say about this....So can you tell me what should your club do about two of your players running on to the pitch to attack the opposition?

[cafe primos]

Planes you seem to be the only one from the pumas with any thing to say about this....So can you tell me what should your club do about two of your players running on to the pitch to attack the opposition?[/quote]

hes not the only one on the pumas side i am n i recon a replay should happen cos id love to see pumas beat gullys all over again cos we out done them.

[plans]

It is nobody's perogative to invade the pitch - be they the instigator or acting in response to the instigator

(s). Planes you seem to be the only one from the pumas with any thing to say about this....So can you tell me what should your club do about two of your players running on to the pitch to attack the opposition?

I am not in a position to speak on behalf of the league's or the club's decision makers.

I dont think that I am the only one with something to say...... perhaps the only one with too much time on my hands to be posting crap on here.

[silver fox]

silver fox wrote:
Quote:
It is nobody's perogative to invade the pitch - be they the instigator or acting in response to the instigator
(s). Planes you seem to be the only one from the pumas with any thing to say about this....So can you tell me what should your club do about two of your players running on to the pitch to attack the opposition?

I am not in a position to speak on behalf of the league's or the club's decision makers.

I dont think that I am the only one with something to say...... perhaps the only one with too much time on my hands to be posting crap on here.

So come on tell me what do you think should happed ?..apart from the pumas getting the points then brushing it under the carpet. Would you condon the thugs actions by keeping them at the club??