Card Checking

[Black Hawk]

Cumberland U17A checked the Adelaide Hills Hawks U17A cards last Friday night. After no discrepancies were found, the Hawks declined to check Cumberland's card because they did not think it was in the right spirit of the game.

Card checking comments?

[johnydep]

What has card checking got to do with the spirit of the game?

Most kids would feel proud to show their card, if anything it adds to the professionalism of the game.

Years ago it was mandatory for every player to hold up thier card before the game for officials to check.

I don't see anything wrong with it.

[PENALTY 5]

If a team asks for a card check they are not doing anything wrong.
Its a good thing if the cards are checked, it makes sure clubs use the right aged players.

[rabbit]

Wish we could have card checked a team last year that knocked us out of the Cup, denying us a chance to defend what we had won the year before. Let's be honest, card checks nowdays are normally done if you suspect something isn't as it should be. Would that be a fair assumption? I've seen card checks done and then all of a sudden the odd player has not played after the card check had been done. If it's used to keep teams honest, then so be it.
Like to know your thoughts on this question:
If a player doesn't physically have his card, can he play?
Can he play if he has his registration number but no card?

[johnydep]

FOOTBALL FEDERATION SOUTH AUSTRALIA INC. (FFSA)

MEMO TO 2007 MCDONALD’S® JUNIOR PREMIER LEAGUE CLUBS

To: Junior Delegates
From: Dimitri Peppas
Position: Junior Competitions Officer (Competition Administrator)
Date: 16-May-07

Re: Registration Cards & Player Checks

Registration Cards & Player Checks

The FFA Player Registration numbers must be entered on the Team Sheet before the commencement of the match and cards must be available from the Team Manager to an official of the opposing team or FFSA for checking prior to the game, if required.

The player/s which are in question, shall hold their card while the opposing official checks the card.

Clubs not producing player Registration Cards prior to a match will forfeit the match, as determined by the Competition Administrator.

Any player who cannot produce their card cannot play.

Clubs not entering FFA Registration numbers on the Team Sheets, shall be subject to a Level 2 Fine.

If a player cancels their Amateur registration with a club, the club must surrender that players Registration card by either submitting to the FFSA or distributing to that player.

[sparts]

i hear you rabbit, it does happen now when there are suspicions, but i think they should do it every wk

[BillShankly]

Fantastic that card checks are back

[black and white]

Rabbit , I have it on good authority ( ffsa ) that if aplayer does not have his or her card with them, when a card check is requested by the other team, then that player cannot play that game.

Likewise if the whole team ( i.e. the manager forgets them ) then the game is a forfiet.

[black and white]

Take a look on the ffsa website it's all there.

[corona]

at least we now have cards and that may stop alot of players been used in wrong age groups and also so help the game . because at the end we all want to win . and some will try anyway they can .

[Barney Rubble]

It's doesn't take too long really. Work out the correct age group, say U13's, born in 1994.

Quick glance at each card, if it shows a 1994 or higher then so be it.
It helps if each player presents his card and says his /her name, a polite thank you to each one and all is done.

If the picture is really bad or the date is a 1993 then

I hear what people are saying about bringing players down but that is the clubs / teams choice.

If the coaches explain it to their own players they will see that the opposition are in the same boat too; lets play the game and get on with it.

One thing though . . . . .

Do you have to check the referee or linesmans cards

[Andy_Pipkin]

It's doesn't take too long really. Work out the correct age group, say U13's, born in 1994.

Quick glance at each card, if it shows a 1994 or higher then so be it.
It helps if each player presents his card and says his /her name, a polite thank you to each one and all is done.

If the picture is really bad or the date is a 1993 then

I hear what people are saying about bringing players down but that is the clubs / teams choice.

If the coaches explain it to their own players they will see that the opposition are in the same boat too; lets play the game and get on with it.

One thing though . . . . .

Do you have to check the referee or linesmans cards

Im sure if you question his/her parentage you will soon be able to check his cards. Apparently they have two of them so if you only get to see the yellow then keep up the abuse so you can see his/her shiny red one

ps. Your coach may nit be very happy with this approach, especially if you try it at the start of the game

[jimbo]

Card Checks were mandatory before the game when I was a Junior many years ago.

They should still be mandatory. Good on clubs for doing this.

[glebe]

years ago i played agianst adelaide city B's and we had a card check.. 3 of their players put on their tracksuits and sat down on the bench as they were prob too old.. we lead the league by a couple of points over them at the time so it was an important game.. it should be compulsory b4 each game.. refs should check em in changerooms..!

[fb4e]

cumberland 17's also checked the cards against birkalla, and the team manager said they have been instructed to check the opposition cards before every single game. I don't see much wrong with it, but it does take too long, and the person checking the cards was really just looking at the photos and laughing at the players photos. I dont really see the point in checking them because it is very unlikely that a club would risk playing an unregistered or too old player.

[rabbit]

NO I'M SURE NOBODY WOULD DO THAT WOULD THEY !!!!

[Andy_Pipkin]

[quote="fb4e"]cumberland 17's also checked the cards against birkalla, and the team manager said they have been instructed to check the opposition cards before every single game. I don't see much wrong with it, but it does take too long, and the person checking the cards was really just looking at the photos and laughing at the players photos. I dont really see the point in checking them because it is very unlikely that a club would risk playing an unregistered or too old player.[/quote]

Are you sure ?

Has happened in the past

[BillShankly]

cumberland 17's also checked the cards against birkalla, and the team manager said they have been instructed to check the opposition cards before every single game. I don't see much wrong with it, but it does take too long, and the person checking the cards was really just looking at the photos and laughing at the players photos. I dont really see the point in checking them because it is very unlikely that a club would risk playing an unregistered or too old player.

you obviously have no idea then.

[ZZZZ]

last week in an u16 game the assitant team manager asked the other team for a card check which he did in the changeroom. when he had finished he asked the coach if he would like to do one and he said no we will beatu anyway. therefore

if a team asks your team for a card check then there is no point checking their cards because if they were doing something dodgy they would never ask to check your teams cards.

[CLINT FLICK]

last week in an u16 game the assitant team manager asked the other team for a card check which he did in the changeroom. when he had finished he asked the coach if he would like to do one and he said no we will beatu anyway. therefore

if a team asks your team for a card check then there is no point checking their cards because if they were doing something dodgy they would never ask to check your teams cards.

Are you sure????
They could be doing the old "double reverse phsycology"

[coling]

In the junior level you have kids from different clubs that go to the same school. Occasionally you play a team where they know an opposition player and question the age. Always seems to be when your playing one of the better teams.

[Wild Eagle]

As a coach of Junior sides I never asked to see cards and never will.

I reckon that if you feel the need to cheat, I am not going to prevent it or avoid it, somebody else's problem

Junior football is about development and doing the right thing by your players is the only thing that really matters in my mind.

When you cheat, you cheat yourself and the people around you and that has many more consequences that losing 3 points

[Squizzy]

As a coach of Junior sides I never asked to see cards and never will.

I reckon that if you feel the need to cheat, I am not going to prevent it or avoid it, somebody else's problem

Junior football is about development and doing the right thing by your players is the only thing that really matters in my mind.

When you cheat, you cheat yourself and the people around you and that has many more consequences that losing 3 points

I generally agree with your comments but I believe that checking the opposition cards is doing the right thing by your players. I would want them to be playing on a level playing field (for want of a better phrase).

Teams I've coached have been burnt by 'suspected' over age players in the past so I welcome the manditory card checks our Club does.

Two seasons ago, I had a player injured by a 'suspected' over-age player (which was proven a couple of weeks after).

But it shouldn't detract from the game either. It should only take a couple of minutes.

[rabbit]

If football was ALL about development and coaches "allowed" teams to cheat by not having card checks then I suppose the results obviously don't matter. That being the case, get rid of the league tables and tell the kids it doesn't matter if you win, lose or draw and everything is good. Too many teams bend the rules and are allowed to get away with it and for me personally, it is a disgrace that the FFSA allow it to happen Where were the cards last year

[Wild Eagle]

Fair call from both of you, Rabbit and Squizzy.

When I say that Junior Football is about Development I mean that it's insane to cheat (not saying it's ok at Senior Levels), if you don't play your players in order to play older more experienced players, a win in junior ranks is good but not essential.

I would never ever do something like that: Development as in 'give your lads a chance'.

I would rather the club ensured things were done correctly rather than the other team...

of course, when I was growing up the Ref checked the cards personally